ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 33

[AngTxGal]

You know this how?

Bleach it clean

Isopropyl alcohol works too. Then boil knife for a few minutes. That should take care of dna....moo



I know this because DNA is biochemical and there are things that break down biochemical agents and keep viruses and bacteria from reproducing.
bleach, high percent alcohol, iodine, high heat
That is why we use those things to disinfect surfaces, clean wounds, cook food, and clean surgical instruments to prevent infection.

JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

Fair enough. Bleach it clean before you dispose of it. Either way...

And if he was known to own and carry a knife, buy a new one after disposing of the murder knife. JMO

 

[detectivewannab]

I certainly can't recall any cases of jealousy causing someone to sneak into a house and butcher 4 people in their beds.

Piketons Ohio Jake Wagners, & his family killed 8 family members of the Rhodens. It was over jealousy & child custody.

 

[nao]

Moo....the knife would be partner in crime. We know it is a quality knife by the damage it did. You can get custom knives forged. ....moo

 

[LizWords]

I'll refer you here:

Kaylee Goncalves’ family hiring lawyer to demand answers from Idaho cops

“There are things that we can request and things we can do to get to the truth faster,” Steve Goncalves told Fox News Digital.

www.google.com

“There are things that we can request and things we can do to get to the truth faster,” Steve Goncalves told Fox News Digital on Tuesday. He said the family is interested in using an attorney to force police to release more evidence in the case.

Yup, I'm aware he said that, although the "forced" part is not a direct quote, it's written as if it was paraphrased rather than quoted. The direct quote which states "things we can request and things we can do" appears to be the more accurate phrasing for what he was trying to say.

And he's right in that there are "things we can request and things we can do" through a lawyer that they can't do on their own.

MOO, the Fox headlines and the conclusions their articles draw should be taken with a grain of salt. I guess that can be said of most, if not all, media when it comes to these sorts of high profile crimes. But the Fox headlines do irritate me more than many others because they are churned out in such multitude and with such clickbait style.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Kaylee: "MADS! What did you say to ADAM?!?"
Maddie: "I, I told Adam everything."

This is what it sounds like to me, they are walking near something making a lot of noise, and they are drunk.
Doesn’t sound sus to me

JMO

Nor to me, either. IMO sounds like total college drama. IMO I think it's important to remember that we're looking at this from after the murders and seeing only from that perspective, but M & K didn't know they were going to be stabbed to death later. IMO they were totally normal, albeit a little tipsy, at the grub truck. So IMO I think it's key to trip back to being 21, in college, having social and romantic dramas, all of which are of utmost importance until they aren't, and seeing it through that lens. JMO of course, but I can riff a bunch of different scenarios about the 'everything', and none of it in the least bit nefarious.

 

[rahod1]

I disagree on the crime of opportunity. There are far easier target for someone to kill if this wasn't personal. Attacking a house full of people isn't exactly the smartest idea, even if it worked out for him. The attack, albeit obviously planned, seem chaotic to me and not well organized. Take for example someone like ONS - he always came prepared and never took any chances. He knew exactly what to do and how to do it even if he was extremely bold. This killer, in contrast, seems very amateurish to me.

For one, as I said, multiple people in the same house isn't good not only for your own safety, but because they can easily alert others. Then you have also the fact that the killer was also armed with a simple knife. Also not the greatest idea. The house as a location is also a very bad location - not many routes to escape from, house is three stories, the area is very active and filled with people due to close proximity to student apartments and the fraternity buildings, etc. Obviously everything seems to have worked out for the killer so far, but there is a literal myriad of things that could have gone wrong during or after the attack

This is why I think this is personal. The amount of risk he took is insane when you think about it. Either personal or the killer is a complete imbecile who somehow lucked out.

<modsnip - bashing LE is not allowed>

"Personal" would seem to point to AN INDIVIDUAL...not FOUR. One could argue the killer had a beef with ALL, but I don't see it that way. MOO

It may seem to YOU that killer took unnecessary *insane* risk in targeting a *full house*, but that's exactly WHY they did so...to kill multiple victims. They planned it so victims were in a compromised state...reducing risk. You also underestimate the capability of this killer in your argument. MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Just a thought, MOO, but an ELANTRA wouldn’t be a great car to have in Idaho in the winter. It’s also not a high status car for that area—like a Jeep, pick up truck, Range Rover or other 4WD. It’s probably fairly useless in the snow.

Lots of similar cars are used year round here — with studded snow tires. As predictable as the first snow is the crazy waits in the days following at local Bruneel & Les Schwab to have studded snow tires put on.

Moo

 

[detectivewannab]

Piketons Ohio Jake Wagners, & his family killed 8 family members of the Rhodens. It was over jealousy & child custody.

And the Mom was on a site like this to throw people off....

 

[CityKid]

The cops didn't seem that surprised, absolutely annoyed, but not surprised. After years of dealing with cops trying to bust under-age drinking at college parties, you get pretty good at lying. On top of that, they had quite a while before they came to the door to figure out what they were going to say. Pretty par for the course for college parties IME, especially if you're used to being associated with an org like a frat or sorority that is often interrogated by police about underage drinking parties.

Yeah, I half admired their moxie for keeping their composure, and I half wondered if they'd find it just as easy to lie to the police in other circumstances.

 

[Which_pancake]

Kaylee: "(Mads?) What did you say to Adam?!?"
Maddie: "I, I told him I knew everything."

What bothers me about this is the audio doesn't match the demeanor of the two ladies. The voice attributed to Kaylee sounds drunk and amped up. Maddie sounds drunk as well, but more matter-of-fact. On the grub truck video immediately afterward, Maddie is the hyped up one, almost belligerent. Kaylee is just trying to get her food.

IMO the problem with trying to analyze how they sound or what their tone means is that we don't really know what they normally sounded like, so we can't really judge how or even if they sound different in this clip.

 

[rahod1]

With respect and I'm sorry to quibble, but aren't "well-planned" and "crime of opportunity" opposite situations? Perhaps I don't understand the latter term.

Crime opportunity theory - Wikipedia

They had a *plan* and then sought out the *opportunity*
Crime opportunity theory suggests that offenders make rational choices and thus choose targets that offer a high reward with little effort and risk. The occurrence of a crime depends on two things: the presence of at least one motivated offender who is ready and willing to engage in a crime, and the conditions of the environment in which that offender is situated, to wit, opportunities for crime

 

[AngTxGal]

Nor to me, either. IMO sounds like total college drama. IMO I think it's important to remember that we're looking at this from after the murders and seeing only from that perspective, but M & K didn't know they were going to be stabbed to death later. IMO they were totally normal, albeit a little tipsy, at the grub truck. So IMO I think it's key to trip back to being 21, in college, having social and romantic dramas, all of which are of utmost importance until they aren't, and seeing it through that lens. JMO of course, but I can riff a bunch of different scenarios about the 'everything', and none of it in the least bit nefarious.

We also see all three of them at the GrubTruck a few minutes later and whatever this ‘everything’ that was told to Adam is about seems to have faded into nothing.
They are not arguing, they are simply hungry, catching up, drunk, getting a ride home.
If anything it is just sad, to see them out having a good time knowing for whatever reason by whoever does this horrific act- their lives end not too long after this footage.
I cannot imagine being a parent watching my child alive in that video, wishing I could reach in and protect them from harm.

JMO
Prayers for the families

 

[Balthazar]

Sounds to me like "Like, I told Adam everything."

Guy: "You're gonna....(unintelligible)"
K: "Maddie, what did you say to Adam?"
M: "Like, I told Adam everything."

Try turning your volume way up and listening, there are two lower tones before the word "everything."

 

[Jealoushe]

Piketons Ohio Jake Wagners, & his family killed 8 family members of the Rhodens. It was over jealousy & child custody.

Child custody would be a common motive though.

 

[Catz]

IMO the problem with trying to analyze how they sound or what their tone means is that we don't really know what they normally sounded like, so we can't really judge how or even if they sound different in this clip.

I also think the reporters of the info could better explain who is who and who said what etc. So many times the info is incomplete and it just causes more confusion.

 

[margarita25]

I’m watching a show on Discovery + right now, which has all the ID shows, called “Predator At Large”. I had forgotten that Bundy had a “protégés” he met in prison. I started watching it hoping to gleam some insight, but it was too dark and had to turn it off.

Just wondering if this is someone again who is obsessed with serial killers, or something of the like. Or associates with other dark types.

I’m guessing he’s a loner, incel, but maybe he’s really into dark web stuff and he has associates, birds of a feather, with whom he communicates on the dark web.

Idk just thinking out loud, (as we all are).

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Another thing I noticed: These young adults, who knew they were stalling to protect their young White Claw aficionado co-guests, were as cool as cucumbers with multiple police confronting them. Lied straight to their faces. Sort of chilling.

Gosh - I disagree.

Having been on many ride-alongs here through the decades, what I see/hear I’ve seen/heard so many times before at noise/party complaints; only the faces are different. You can tell — at least I can — it’s the same for responding officers. People in social houses know what to do when cops show up. Shrug.

Moo

 

[Janeumayer]

Father of Idaho stabbing victim says man in video not suspect

Steven Goncalves, the father of 21-year-old Kaylee Goncalves, said a man his daughter was heard talking about the night she was killed is not a suspect.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Steven Goncalves, the father of 21-year-old Kaylee Goncalves, said a man his daughter was heard talking about the night she was killed is not a suspect
• In the video Kaylee could be heard asking Maddie Mogen, 21, 'Maddie, what did you say to Adam?' Another voice responded 'Like, I told Adam everything'
• Mr. Goncalves said authorities have been aware of the video for a while, but that Adam was ruled out a long time ago

 

[kittythehare]

I’m watching a show on Discovery + right now, which has all the ID shows, called “Predator At Large”. I had forgotten that Bundy had a “protégés” he met in prison. I started watching it hoping to gleam some insight, but it was too dark and had to turn it off.

Just wondering if this is someone again who is obsessed with serial killers, or something of the like. Or associates with other dark types.

I’m guessing he’s a loner, incel, but maybe he’s really into dark web stuff and he has associates, birds of a feather, with whom he communicates on the dark web.

Idk just thinking out loud.

Same as that..
Could be anti-gov too..
Very hard to pin it or even close.