ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 34

[CSIDreamer]

carfax

I didn't realize that had owner info. Or else I forgot! Its been a few years since I used it.

 

[Balthazar]

Wow, that video clearly demonstrates how two people can come to two very different conclusions.

Like many forum members, I am US born and raised. I use the "6:00 news accent" and am accustomed to hearing a variety of southern, Texas (east and west) and south Louisiana / New Orleans accents.

That aside....

To me, the pronunciation of "Adam" by both girls sounds either foreign. Or, as both speakers are US born, a sound distortion. I guess it could be a regional US accent that I have never heard before as well.

But.... one thing the pronunciation of "Adam" does not sound to me at all is being a standard US accent (as in a widely used).

I've lived in California and the Pacific Northwest - among 35 other places in the US and this pronunciation is normal and common there.

 

[Diogenetic]

Moo...maybe the stabber is a med student or a surgeon? If you were confident of your knowledge of human anatomy..it would just be a methodical kill. Or could just be someone that spends alot of time studying how to stab efficiently....or steroid rage ....moo

It wasn't a dismemberment or likely methodical kill though. Not sure you need to know much about anatomy at all, to know you are going to stab multiple people who are sleeping that you will stab them in thorax or lower neck which is going to prevent them making a sound and result in near instant loss of strength to resist.
A full force stab or two from above with a combat knife is going to create gigantic trauma. It likely is going to come out the back as well, and probably twisted on way out. It isn't precision, thorax plus lower neck is an area bigger than a dinner plate. I think it is common sense you are not going to stab someone in skull or backside if you have a choice

And there is emotional rage that dwarf's steroid rage. That rage does not have to be something logical or that you or I can empathize with or even understand. Mild mannered people have murdered chidden by the scores.

Even the order and number of people killed could be anything but methodical. Imagine killer has beef with one of the victims. He goes into wrong room. Sees two people, assumes one is his intended victim. He is likely going to kill both and as fast as possible so as not to leave witness. In fact a witness might even recognize him as prior acquaintance. Both of those people are dead before he realize he has not killed his target. he goes to another room and kills those two as one is his target and the other sees him or recognizes him. he leaves.

Doesn't have to be serial killer or even a person who intended mass murder.

 

[crimesnooper]

Exactly. I very much doubt the killer lived in Mosocw. I think he was a hired hit brought in by someone.

The car could've been stolen or brought by an acquaintance of the killer just for this job.

I just don't see this as a murder for hire. Four kids? Even if only one was the target and the rest collateral damage , you use a gun for a hit job. You don't stab someone. And you don't need to risk getting caught by entering the home. That kind of hit job would take place as a sneak attack in a less populated area.
I still think this is somebody known to the victims. Somebody close. I believe Kaylee was the target and the others got in the way.
I think there are some who are holding back information who know..... including parents and maybe a friend.
I believe LE does know but can't put enough solid proof behind it yet for an arrest.

The only thing that throws me is the car. I can't figure out how that plays into only because they can't identify even a probably owner. Not an an exact owner, but not even a ....well so and so drove one last year....info. Absolutely nothing on the car. And no I don't think the car in Oregon is it.

So is LE convinced that the occupant or occupants of the car saw something that they need to place the killer at the house or vicinity that would invalidate an alibis?

 

[SMK777]

From my reading of the above article, the Police have ruled out the car owner, but not have not explicitly ruled out the actual car being connected to the murder. The female owner lives approx. 1,000 miles away, a man was found sleeping in it, and the license plates were ripped off.

“The vehicle is registered out of Colorado and the female owner is not believed to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations. The public is asked to stop contacting the owner”.'

So do you think maybe they still believe that the car may possibly have been borrowed or stolen and still connected to the crime?

 

[SMK777]

My own feeling is this is someone in their casual circle that was enraged by one of the victims and they are not some kind of serial killer. That you or I could not be enraged enough to kill four people dosnt change the fact that there 350 million people in this country and a tiny fraction of a percent being way off mentally is still a lot of people..

My own feeling as well.

 

[Copper107]

Congress passed a law that gave the FBI the framework to assist local LE with murders of 4 or more persons. The law defines serial killers (for this purpose,) but this publication from the FBI explains it in great detail.

Serial Murder | Federal Bureau of Investigation

www.fbi.gov

IOW, any time there is a murder of more than 4 people, the fbi can get involved.

The FBI do not insert themselves in investigations, they will assist any law enforcement agency who requests their help. It doesn't have to be four or more persons either. The FBI is mostly called upon, by local PD's, due to their immense resources ie: forensic scientists, they have the best labs and researchers in the world. Their data bases are incomprehensible, shoe impressions of almost every shoe made, tire impressions of almost every tire, firearms and tool specialists and on and on. I have been to Quantico and it is indescribable, impressive and top notch. IN MY OPINION

 

[SMK777]

I just don't see this as a murder for hire. Four kids? Even if only one was the target and the rest collateral damage , you use a gun for a hit job. You don't stab someone. And you don't need to risk getting caught by entering the home. That kind of hit job would take place as a sneak attack in a less populated area.
I still think this is somebody known to the victims. Somebody close. I believe Kaylee was the target and the others got in the way.
I think there are some who are holding back information who know..... including parents and maybe a friend.
I believe LE does know but can't put enough solid proof behind it yet for an arrest.

The only thing that throws me is the car. I can't figure out how that plays into only because they can't identify even a probably owner. Not an an exact owner, but not even a ....well so and so drove one last year....info. Absolutely nothing on the car. And no I don't think the car in Oregon is it.

So is LE convinced that the occupant or occupants of the car saw something that they need to place the killer at the house or vicinity that would invalidate an alibis?

Absolutely relate to all your thoughts and questions set forth here. Yes, it may be the need to break someone’s alibi. I sure hope there is a break soon.

 

[crimesnooper]

I've lived in California and the Pacific Northwest - among 35 other places in the US and this pronunciation is normal and common there.

There is no such thing, in a country as varied as the US, a standard US accent.
Just ask any of us phonetically challenged New Yorkers as we steer our morning corfee. Lol

 

[AngTxGal]

Morbid curiosity seekers and social media entities seeking clout. This case has gained a lot of traction with online entities that seem to want to get in the middle of it all.

The perp maybe?

JMO

 

[nao]

Moo...understanding (memory) is they were all just stabbed in upper torso...and their lungs were stabbed. No neck wounds......moo

 

[Olivia Reed]

Idaho Murder Detectives Alerted to White Hyundai Elantra Found in Oregon

The cops working the grisly murder case of 4 Idaho college students were just alerted to the discovery of a white Hyundai Elantra nearly 500 miles away -- and are now working to see if there's any connection between the car and their investigation.

www.tmz.com

An official for the Eugene, Oregon PD tells us someone called 911 over the weekend about a person sleeping inside a white Hyundai Elantra. Officers responded to the scene and made contact with the individual -- but no further report was made.

We're told Eugene alerted investigators in Moscow of the vehicle -- and a rep for Moscow tells us they're now working to see if there's any connection with the ongoing murder case.

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Does this car NOT have a number plate? was it taken off? Or just another coincidence?

 

[Balthazar]

I'm wondering how anyone found out who the owner is. Did someone dash to the car and get info out of it? VIN? And what open source will give you info on a VIN?

Maybe somebody posted a photo of this car on another true crime site and said where it was.

 

[rahod1]

Setting the serial killer speculation aside for the moment, and assuming that all four victims were killed by the same individual, what are the chances that this was the killer's first time taking a human life? I've heard at least one respected profiler hypothesize that the killer had killed animals previously (she was notably less confident that he had killed a human/humans before).

Acknowledging there's a lot we don't know -- how messy or tidy the crime scene was, whether/to what extent the killer was wounded during the attacks (e.g., from knife slippage), whether the killer knew how many people were in the house and which rooms they were in -- I think it is staggeringly improbable that someone who had never stabbed a human before would have the composure/confidence to sneak into a home occupied by multiple college students, kill four of them quickly and quietly enough to avoid being detected by the housemates or neighbors, and then successfully flee the scene and disappear into the night. To execute a mass stabbing under those conditions, I think the killer would need either (a) confidence gleaned from the experience of having killed before, (b) chemical courage that would remove inhibitions/stress during the performance of the killings, or (c) rage so consuming that he (temporarily) did not care about being caught.

I get that the victims were sleeping and had been drinking and therefore were in a vulnerable position. But the killer assumed substantial risk in order to carry out a mass murder in that setting. In my opinion, there's a good chance he had killed before.

Great points. Agree completely. If this killer has not killed before, they certainly had encounters with a knife (human or animal). As far as killing .... sadly, this is not the first, nor the last. MOO.

 

[crimesnooper]

Moo...understanding (memory) is they were all just stabbed in upper torso...and their lungs were stabbed. No neck wounds......moo

Where is this from? I don't recall any info on Ethan or Xani specifically about exactly where they were stabbed ( lungs?). Just info coming from SG regarding Kaylee & Maddie via coroner.

 

[Diogenetic]

I just don't see this as a murder for hire. Four kids? Even if only one was the target and the rest collateral damage , you use a gun for a hit job. You don't stab someone. And you don't need to risk getting caught by entering the home. That kind of hit job would take place as a sneak attack in a less populated area.
I still think this is somebody known to the victims. Somebody close. I believe Kaylee was the target and the others got in the way.
I think there are some who are holding back information who know..... including parents and maybe a friend.
I believe LE does know but can't put enough solid proof behind it yet for an arrest.

The only thing that throws me is the car. I can't figure out how that plays into only because they can't identify even a probably owner. Not an an exact owner, but not even a ....well so and so drove one last year....info. Absolutely nothing on the car. And no I don't think the car in Oregon is it.

So is LE convinced that the occupant or occupants of the car saw something that they need to place the killer at the house or vicinity that would invalidate an alibis?

Agree with everything. Couple of points: Any of them could have been target.
As far as car there are actually quite a few plausible explanations for what we have been told and not told. they could already have tied high likelihood to a specific person, who is a suspect or knowing or unknowing accomplice. There are reasons to argue for or against that.
Or, the car sighting could in fact be irrelevant to the case. We don't know the investigators are convinced of anything related to car. Alternately they might not be sure of anything and using this as a possible way to lull an actual suspect who has no white elantra into complacency and mistakes.

 

[nao]

Where is this from? I don't recall any info on Ethan or Xani specifically about exactly where they were stabbed ( lungs?). Just info coming from SG regarding Kaylee & Maddie via coroner.

Moo...from the coroner...way back..no neck slashing...and lungs punctured....moo ..i will check the media thread..see if i can find info

 

[Diogenetic]

The FBI do not insert themselves in investigations, they will assist any law enforcement agency who requests their help. It doesn't have to be four or more persons either. The FBI is mostly called upon, by local PD's, due to their immense resources ie: forensic scientists, they have the best labs and researchers in the world. Their data bases are incomprehensible, shoe impressions of almost every shoe made, tire impressions of almost every tire, firearms and tool specialists and on and on. I have been to Quantico and it is indescribable, impressive and top notch. IN MY OPINION

Agreed. there is complexity when help is not requested, but just a few formalities need to be quickly done if their help is requested in terms of agents on the ground

 

[TooMuchGun]

Where is this from? I don't recall any info on Ethan or Xani specifically about exactly where they were stabbed ( lungs?). Just info coming from SG regarding Kaylee & Maddie via coroner.

Nov 18th Cathy Mabbutt she speaks of it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593471888180891649

 

[Copper107]

Maybe somebody posted a photo of this car on another true crime site and said where it was.

There is a VIN (vehicle identification number) on every single vehicle manufactured. The VIN number follows the vehicle through it's history, sales, repos, transfers etc. The VIN number is stamped in several places throughout the vehicle. The license plate only tells us the current registered operator/owner of the vehicle not it's history. Even a vehicle without license plates can be "investigated" with the VIN number. IMO