ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 34

[Jealoushe]

They already made clear it has nothing to do with the murders.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

Investigators are aware of a Hyundai Elantra located in Eugene, Oregon and have spoken with the owner. The vehicle was involved in a collision and subsequently impounded. The vehicle is registered out of Colorado and the female owner is not believed to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations. The public is asked to stop contacting the owner.​

ok thank you I missed the update!

 

[Sheila Terranova]

I cant believe the killer has not yet given himself/herself up ...how do you go about sleeping and eating after snuffing out four young lives ? Hope they send out an anonymous message at least to media to explain why, not that anything could explain why, but from their perspective. Surely every human has a soul. How.

Apparently the murderer is not troubled by a guilty conscience and shows no remorse or empathy. Had he been the sort to agonize over the magnitude of his sins, I suspect he wouldn’t have committed them. After the first or second murder, he’d have had time to reconsider (if he had a conscience )and go home. Since he continued, and has not sought forgiveness or confessed, my guess is he has neither conscience remorse, or empathy. I hope they find him.

 

[LadyBelle]

How do they know it’s the car that was seen in Idaho? What connected to confirm that fact?

That is what LE told us. So we treat it as fact.

 

[fridaybaker]

They already made clear it has nothing to do with the murders.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

Investigators are aware of a Hyundai Elantra located in Eugene, Oregon and have spoken with the owner. The vehicle was involved in a collision and subsequently impounded. The vehicle is registered out of Colorado and the female owner is not believed to have any relation to any property in Moscow, Idaho or the ongoing murder investigations. The public is asked to stop contacting the owner.\​

This is so frustrating. I haven't seen anything from LE that the vehicle isn't related to the Moscow murders. The above statement makes no mention of it! In fact, it seems to carefully leave out the possibility of the vehicle's being involved. It only addresses the owner.

 

[LynnWhite]

i have been reluctant to jump in with my theory on things because I dont feel that I know any better than anyone else. But thinking toningt, I had an over whelming feeling of Holly Bobo. I know everyone will point out the obvious, but remember the beginning, and how that started. Her poor brother and all the else. Mean while it Was people she knew, they all knew. Very awful. I sure hope it’s not the case, I hope it’s somebody none of them have met, but my gut tells me this is not some one from a foreign land. I have a hard time believing some nut looking them up on line climbed a tree in their back yard; not that it doesn’t happen. I think it’s close to home, somebody’s who crazy , that’s has been able to be hidden bc he’s been basically ignored all along. Idk, I know I’m going off but I just think he’s sitting right there like a statue , watching everyone scramble.

I’m new to WS and have avoided making any posts that say only “I agree with you” as I suspect they’re frowned upon, but I agree with you…I’m definitely in the camp that thinks it’s very likely someone police suspected on day one, and everything since has been an effort from LE to overcome an alibi, place them at the scene, etc.

And while I very much appreciate reading everyone’s viewpoints these past few weeks, particularly those that have given me pause and made me rethink my own opinions, I still believe this didn’t require nearly as much skill and planning as some have posited. I’m betting on someone who felt they were slighted or humiliated, and that turned to blind rage, likely building up to that day but reaching a tipping point that evening. That kind of rage is not hard to imagine, especially from an already-unstable young man…testosterone is one heckuva drug and aggression multiplier as any young man knows. Just my opinion and observation as a man in the sixth decade of my life looking back in what I’ve known and seen of people.

As far as overcoming four people, I just don’t find that all that remarkable given the circumstances. As a middle-aged man, albeit a former state champion wrestler and someone definitely familiar with fighting, hunting and survival/camping knives, etc, as morbid as it is to think about, I’m fairly certain even I could do what this sick individual did to three women and one male, ostensibly all sleeping or just awakening, and impaired. I think there was an element of luck in their part, but it’s not hard for me to imagine it happening. Again, very unpleasant stuff to think about, but in my personal opinion, it’s definitely plausible that one angry, borderline young person could reach their breaking point and do exactly this, and believe they’re likely watching this unfold quietly, but still very close to the whole sad mess. MOO only of course, and I respect the many well-expressed opinions that run counter to my own!

 

[wrytergirl]

Idk what time stamp, it’s just after the girls go to the window and then mm turns to hug the long-haired guy, the other guy’s standing right there. He’s wearing a beige/brown ? buttoned up shirt/jacket with beige pants, he’s got a cap on and he has a beard.

right. that girl is not maddie. The food truck people have been cleared.

 

[Miss Elizabeth]

They already made clear it has nothing to do with the murders.


This is so frustrating. I haven't seen anything from LE that the vehicle isn't related to the Moscow murders. The above statement makes no mention of it! In fact, it seems to carefully leave out the possibility of the vehicle's being involved. It only addresses the owner.

~ E

 

[wary]

That is what LE told us. So we treat it as fact.

I believe that it is NOT fact. It seems to me that it’s the result of a journalist writing a completely incoherent sentence.

MOO

 

[PrairieWind]

Regarding your 3rd point: when MM goes to hug the guy, he is talking to another man (older, heavyset, doesn’t look look college age) who is wearing a plaid jacket and tan pants, who turns and opens his arms slightly as if he thinks MM will also hug him - she steps back slightly and ignores him and he drops his arms.
Hmmmm. A little embarrassing right?
Then when both gals stand waiting for their food, this same man is standing nearbthem, talking to ‘the hoodie guy’ purportedly JS, nearby, and is the one who points towards the girls to let him know they’ve taken off.
In fact, when I first saw the video with sound and heard one of the girls say ‘F- off mister’ I heard it as being directed toward the OLDER guy in plaid - he had gestured toward the girls just moments before that, and young people - girls and guys -call each other ‘dude,’ not ‘mister.’ Right? A young person would only call an older man ‘mister,’ not a young guy.
I don’t know if the guy in plaid was with the ‘hoodie guy’ or what, if you look at everyone there at the food truck he was considerably older, dressed differently, and seemed to be trying to hang with the girls, meet them, or whatever. He looks like a hunter. A local.
So that’s what I saw on the video, rewatch it and see what you think about it. I’m just trying to figure out what he was doing there with all the college kids, besides eating.

isn't that Joe Vidot? He gave an interview.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

I’m new to WS and have avoided making any posts that say only “I agree with you” as I suspect they’re frowned upon, but I agree with you…I’m definitely in the camp that thinks it’s very likely someone police suspected on day one, and everything since has been an effort from LE to overcome an alibi, place them at the scene, etc.

And while I very much appreciate reading everyone’s viewpoints these past few weeks, particularly those that have given me pause and made me rethink my own opinions, I still believe this didn’t require nearly as much skill and planning as some have posited. I’m betting on someone who felt they were slighted or humiliated, and that turned to blind rage, likely building up to that day but reaching a tipping point that evening. That kind of rage is not hard to imagine, especially from an already-unstable young man…testosterone is one heckuva drug and aggression multiplier as any young man knows. Just my opinion and observation as a man in the sixth decade of my life looking back in what I’ve known and seen of people.

As far as overcoming four people, I just don’t find that all that remarkable given the circumstances. As a middle-aged man, albeit a former state champion wrestler and someone definitely familiar with fighting, hunting and survival/camping knives, etc, as morbid as it is to think about, I’m fairly certain even I could do what this sick individual did to three women and one male, ostensibly all sleeping or just awakening, and impaired. I think there was an element of luck in their part, but it’s not hard for me to imagine it happening. Again, very unpleasant stuff to think about, but in my personal opinion, it’s definitely plausible that one angry, borderline young person could reach their breaking point and do exactly this, and believe they’re likely watching this unfold quietly, but still very close to the whole sad mess. MOO only of course, and I respect the many well-expressed opinions that run counter to my own!

Excellent points! Thank you! I agree with you. One strong wide awake youngish man (thus testosterone) plus adrenaline plus huge knife versus intoxicated sleeping girls and one under the influence asleep peaceful surprised male ….killed one by one.

 

[x_files]

I cant believe the killer has not yet given himself/herself up ...how do you go about sleeping and eating after snuffing out four young lives ? Hope they send out an anonymous message at least to media to explain why, not that anything could explain why, but from their perspective. Surely every human has a soul. How.

Not everyone has a conscience thought. Psychopaths do not feel empathy or remorse like normal people do. They are hardwired differently.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

No updates about the crashed car? Interesting!

Idaho murders – update: Moscow police rule out homicide link to Hyundai Elantra found in Oregon

"Moscow police have ruled out any connection between a damaged car found in Oregon and the brutal murders of four University of Idaho students 500 miles away in Moscow."

 

[fridaybaker]

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~ E

Yes, I see this all over the news. However, I'd love to know where they heard it from. Did LE tell them "privately"? Because I haven't seen anything at all that says this.

Perhaps I just haven't seen it, though. Would you happen to have a link?

 

[Allabouttrial]

They already made clear it has nothing to do with the murders.


This is so frustrating. I haven't seen anything from LE that the vehicle isn't related to the Moscow murders. The above statement makes no mention of it! In fact, it seems to carefully leave out the possibility of the vehicle's being involved. It only addresses the owner.

MSM are also reporting that the car and owner are not involved, per LE.

 

[DizzyB]

Sorry, I have forgotten who posted this yesterday, thanks for doing so. Interesting, clientele shifts drastically after happy hour, roughly at 9 pm. Before 9, locals. After 9, college kids.

I still tend to believe that it is a local, (but not a townie) rather someone rural and familiar with animal anatomy, used to killing, butchering.

Also still think that fringe groups may be instrumental in turning this guy in, should the investigation start, or continue to poke too close to home.

Bartenders used to serving that shift change, ie 8-10 should be quizzed, are there guys who seem to be hanging around after happy hour, hoping to hook up with college girls. Big guy, chip on shoulder, who may have been overtly rejected and laughed at by others in the bar. Maybe someone who has been tagged with that reputation: loser with the college girls. Someone who denigrates college girls as being loose, and interprets common flirting as taunting.

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The CC has cameras, and employees are supposedly cooperating with investigators only. So if there is something to be seen or reviewed, LE should be on it.

I agree about the kill kit and body covering, but not about the deck stacked against these young people. This killer took several risks such as not knowing how many people were in the house. At this time I’m thinking the downstairs roommate survivors were likely not alone. If each had a friend over, that is a house of 8 young people- and yet he managed to kill All four on the rear side of the home 2nd and 3rd floors.
Other risks-
- choice of messy knife in hand rather than a gun,
- entering home in neighborhood rather than rural home not near neighbors
- choosing a home with high visibility even from a distance
- choosing home in neighborhood with drive having one way in and one way out
- choosing young healthy victims rather than smaller or older
Interesting considering all of these risks together
If they had been caught quickly we would think- stupid
The longer they go without being caught we are thinking- brazen or lucky

JMO

Not to mention, what if the person who was called so many times decided to come over as requested?

 

[seemstome]

Regarding the older heavy set guy wearing a beige jacket at the food truck...

It's no mystery. JV identified himself, is known to authorities, and has done several interviews, purportedly at least one of which was to LE. You can read more about him here.

Kind of a nothingburger, IMHO

Hmmm after reading a lot about him I reviewed watching the video and I still stand by what I see in it, he clearly stood out as not fitting in, and the girls’ body language and words directed, I believe, at him, were negative. The fact that he spoke with LE does not change what I see in the video, and his defense of ‘the hoodie guy’ seemed a little off. If there is a group of young friends together they are not going to confide what their reasoning is for being together, to an older outsider, imo. And a guy telling another guy he’s escorting girls home safely because they’re drunk or whatever he said exactly? That’s a weird mash-up of what you’d say to a parent/bro code statement imo.

 

[BondGirl007]

I’m so sorry if I’ve missed anything relating to what I’m about to say, but the longer that the Hyundai goes unidentified and the longer LE insist on centering their investigation on it (that WE can all see that is), the more I lean away from it being someone known to the victims (eg jilted ex, betrayed friend, even a rejected distant acquaintance) and lean instead towards it being someone unknown to the victims that was fixated on one or more of the victims for whatever reason or the house itself.

IMO LE would have been able to track the Hyundai back to the owner by now if it belonged to someone within their social circle or even on the outskirts of their circle. IMO this would even be true of a situation where the car belongs to the parent of someone known to the killer. I get a parent wanting to protect their kid, but surely SOMEONE would know the car, particularly if it were someone who attended the college, lived in the area, etc.

IMO the fact that they are still desperately wanting information on that car tells me there is no link in terms of a personal link between the victims and the killer or they would have made it by now.

But would people know if the car was a grandmother's or something?

 

[PrairieWind]

That is what LE told us. So we treat it as fact.

There is a difference between what LE says and what media SAYS LE said.

 

[BondGirl007]

Hmmm after reading a lot about him I reviewed watching the video and I still stand by what I see in it, he clearly stood out as not fitting in, and the girls’ body language and words directed, I believe, at him, were negative. The fact that he spoke with LE does not change what I see in the video, and his defense of ‘the hoodie guy’ seemed a little off. If there is a group of young friends together they are not going to confide what their reasoning is for being together, to an older outsider, imo. And a guy telling another guy he’s escorting girls home safely because they’re drunk or whatever he said exactly? That’s a weird mash-up of what you’d say to a parent/bro code statement imo.

I saw JV's TikTok videos. He's actually a father, so yeah he probably doesn't "fit in" perfectly as he has another human being he is responsible for and loves. I do not believe him to be involved.

 

[NyxNY]

I’ve also been curious about how PD can put such an early time stamp on the times of death.

Last texts went out 2:52AM or so from K’s phone, presumably by her
Bodies discovered near 11:58AM after 911 call due to discovering of unconscious person by roommate
That is nine hours

What event happened in the morning to allow them to say the perp was gone from the scene by 5 or 6AM? Dawn?

JMO

IMO I would think one of the factors would be contents of their stomach. How far along were they in the digestive process of the pasta they brought home from the food truck? That could give them a "within an hour" timeline.