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Nothing that Chris M says is allowed on this forum unless it is backed up by law enforcement. ​

Chris has personally lied to me. He accused an innocent man of being Brian Laundry. He lied about being removed from the Crow lawsuit. He was removed but then put back in the lawsuit and lost. Chris told me he was removed from the lawsuit and was not sued. He never told me he was added back into the lawsuit and lost. Chris was sued for getting a false confession in the murder of Stephanie Crow.
I could go on but suffice it to say anything he says is not allowed. Even if it is in mainstream media.

Again only if what he said is backed up by an actual law enforcement source.

Here is the documentation on the Crow lawsuit
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Ruling from 2010 which overrules Dougie's decision from 2004.

Retired judge slams Crowe case
www.courant.com

ESCONDIDO: Retired judge slams police conduct in Crowe case

www.courant.com www.courant.com

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

ESCONDIDO: Crowe family settles civil rights lawsuit for $7.25 million

Nearly 14 years after Stephanie Crowe was stabbed to death inher Escondido bedroom, her family agreed to a $7.25 millionsettlement with the cities of Escondido and Oceanside for what oneappeals cou…
www.sandiegouniontribune.com www.sandiegouniontribune.com

"A federal trial judge in San Diego dismissed the bulk of the civil rights suit in 2004. But six years later, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals revived the lawsuit, finding that Escondido police violated the civil rights of Crowe and his friends during “hours of grueling, psychologically abusive interrogations.”

The above links come from a great YouTube creator called Scientific Skeptic. If you go to this video there are more links describing the interrogation tools used by Chris and others in the Crow case,

Because Chris mistakenly named the wrong man on my YouTube channel and never told me to take down the false information I made this apology video when I discovered what happened,
Here is the apology video I had to make because of what Chris said on my Livestream.

The glove that Chris found was not there on the day of the Moscow Idaho murders

The MOB Crew has a great video showing the ground the day of the killing where the glove was found later in the month. On that day the glove was not there. Go to @2:35 of this video

I am not suggesting Chris did not legitimately find the glove. Just showing you it has nothing to do with the case. I will be shocked if Chris updates the story about the glove.

For those of you who know me this is an extremely unusual step for me to take. This is how strongly I feel. I was lied to but more importantly, because of Chris' actions, people's lives were threatened in the Summer Wells case.

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It's Christmas Eve eve!
I'd love a nicely wrapped 2011-2013 white Elantra this year, decked out with ample evidence and/or witnesses to tie up this case for good. With a big bow on top, perhaps.
 
Based on what they’ve said in the last couple interviews, I think they know who it is. I think they’re trying to find him. The expansion of the FBI across the country etc. makes me think so. It may be that that is just for looking for the vehicle, but I’m hoping it’s to go find him. I hope it won’t be too difficult and that someone is not hiding him. Otherwise, it’s freezing cold out. You can’t go camping, etc.

And if that’s true, then it probably is not any of the people everyone has talked about that is local. All those people presumably are with their friends and family. I’m hoping that they are going to look at friends and relatives of who their suspect is across the country and over the Canadian border too I would expect. I hope they find the car and can get this monster off the street.
 
jumpingjackflash said:
I don't know why I'm so bothered by this, but I am. The headline on this Fox News article states that Moscow PD was called to the home six weeks before the murders. But it also states the noise complaint in question occurred on Sept. 1. The interval from Sept 1 to Nov 13 is 10+ weeks, not six. Why is crime reporting so abysmal?

Moscow police called to home over party 6 weeks before murders: 'You have a house full of random people'
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It looks like a typo maybe. The title came up for me with 10 weeks, but the caption below the video says 6 weeks prior to the murders.
The article begins with “ Ten weeks…”

Someone may have confused the time since the crime as nearing 6 weeks with the time between Sept 1 and Nov 13- 10 weeks?

JMO
 
Maddie: “What did you tell Adam?”
Kaylee: “I told him EVERYTHING.”

Have you ever told someone EVERYTHING and it not been a big deal. If their conversation was benign she would’ve told her what they talked about. To answer with “I told him EVERYTHING”…

In my opinion this is one of the biggest clues we’ve received. It wasn’t released by the MPD either. I don’t think “A” is involved but I wonder about the many calls to “J” that night. Were they calling to check his temperature after Kaylee told “A” , his roommate, EVERYTHING?

Just some thoughts and my opinions…
 
jumpingjackflash said:
I don't know why I'm so bothered by this, but I am. The headline on this Fox News article states that Moscow PD was called to the home six weeks before the murders. But it also states the noise complaint in question occurred on Sept. 1. The interval from Sept 1 to Nov 13 is 10+ weeks, not six. Why is crime reporting so abysmal?

Moscow police called to home over party 6 weeks before murders: 'You have a house full of random people'
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Not sure why the link says six; it's correct at the link. From having edited news sites, I know the attitude can be "get it live asap; we'll fix it later."
www.foxnews.com

Moscow police called to home over party 10 weeks before murders: 'You have a house full of random people'

Body camera footage shows Moscow police officers responding to the home where four students were killed several weeks before the murders.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
Xuxon said:
Maddie: “What did you tell Adam?”
Kaylee: “I told him EVERYTHING.”

Have you ever told someone EVERYTHING and it not been a big deal. If their conversation was benign she would’ve told her what they talked about. To answer with “I told him EVERYTHING”…

In my opinion this is one of the biggest clues we’ve received. It wasn’t released by the MPD either. I don’t think “A” is involved but I wonder about the many calls to “J” that night. Were they calling to check his temperature after Kaylee told “A” , his roommate, EVERYTHING?

Just some thoughts and my opinions…
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Has it been confirmed by LE that A is the roommate of K's ex? K's father seems to think A is the bartender at Corner Club. He could certainly be both; I just haven't seen confirmation from LE that he is either.
 
Xuxon said:
Maddie: “What did you tell Adam?”
Kaylee: “I told him EVERYTHING.”

Have you ever told someone EVERYTHING and it not been a big deal. If their conversation was benign she would’ve told her what they talked about. To answer with “I told him EVERYTHING”…

In my opinion this is one of the biggest clues we’ve received. It wasn’t released by the MPD either. I don’t think “A” is involved but I wonder about the many calls to “J” that night. Were they calling to check his temperature after Kaylee told “A” , his roommate, EVERYTHING?

Just some thoughts and my opinions…
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You have the two girls switched in the conversation. Kaylee asked Maddie what did she tell Adam. Maddie responded.
 
abcnews.go.com

Idaho murders: Everybody can hear each others' footsteps in 'creaky' house, former resident says

A University of Idaho graduate who previously lived in the off-campus house where four students were killed is speaking out to ABC News.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

"It's definitely an old, creaky house," said (CA), who graduated in 2022 and lived in the house during his junior year. "You can't walk up any of the stairs or on any of the floors without everybody in the house knowing it."

(snip)

The neighborhood and this house have a "very active party life," (CA) said

"A lot of students are very familiar with the inside of the home," he said.

"At parties, people would hop the fence and just, like, walk away if the cops came," he added.
 
Counttrarian said:
Thanks for the info and link, if an internship as her friend/future roommate indicates then the odds of a bonus are even lower. Interesting that parents said 'job offer' vs. internship offer.
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In the obituary, her parents wrote, "She joined the Alpha Phi sorority and was studying to become an Elementary School teacher." Not sure they were fully aware of her plans, since they talked about she and Jack being on a break while she was putting up ads for roommates in Austin.
I'm seeing remote marketing internships in Austin but most are summer only. I don't know if she had a year-round job and did her marketing internship during the summer.
 
SMK777 said:
Excellent quote.
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hopewell said:
If this was an incel rage event, it likely wouldn't have been so calculating, quiet, and efficient,
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CityKid said:
Not sure why the link says six; it's correct at the link. From having edited news sites, I know the attitude can be "get it live asap; we'll fix it later."
www.foxnews.com

Moscow police called to home over party 10 weeks before murders: 'You have a house full of random people'

Body camera footage shows Moscow police officers responding to the home where four students were killed several weeks before the murders.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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They updated from this morning — glad to see it fixed
 
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