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Well, they probably want to know it's done in a proper way. Afterwards the house will be handed over.
They also cannot risk the public going in and taking photos of blood splatter , evidence markers etc. It would be extremely harmful in prosecuting the case if the entire country had knowledge and photos that gave away too much critical evidence.

A lot can be learned by the blood splatter , possible footprints, damage to doors or walls and evidence stickers left behind.

At this point there are many news or media outlets that have probably reached out to landlord already offering big money for first access to interior of the house for photos etc.

I think it’s very smart LE is handling the cleanup.

The one thing no one has leaked is interior photos of the house.
 
SPECULATION, THEORIES AHEAD. JMO.

Yes. First of all, I've lived on college campuses for a total of about 20 years, and worked on them for a total of about 40 years. Large and small colleges/universities, public and private.

LONG POST incoming - but I've synthesized so much of what many of you have been writing over the past couple of days - you'll see that I"m using many of the hypotheses here, which kind of clicked together Lego-style for me, with this story.
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It's always the case that there are longterm hangers-on, who pretend to be students, on every college campus. It's particularly common right now, IMO.

Heck, some of the scariest moments of teaching have to do with some individual being in class and they aren't students!

It's actually difficult to detect in larger lecture classes. Each time it's happened to me, there's been some specific behavior that this person is exhibiting that made me worry/wonder about them and I'd have to do things to get their names (and sometimes, they'd disappear before or immediately after my "investigation" - whereas no other students even notice that I did a pop quiz and then walked around and specifically collected the papers by hand.

At larger schools (U of Id is definitely not tiny), these students can blend in and hang on for years.

I believe that the Elantra belongs to a relative of one of these people.

It was never registered properly for campus use. The person lives in on-campus housing (likely a Greek house, as all the principals in this case were associated with a Greek house), and may be seen as an Elder Brother and as we know, the brothers at the house are not going to turn such a person into housing authorities. Food is no problem for them, in this situation. Some have girlfriends in the house if it's co-ed housing, so they kind of share those rooms off the record. We do not have fraternities on campus where I work right now, but we have them off-campus and I have my students do papers on their residences using social mapping techniques and so I know that every fraternity has at least 1-2 of these people, which seems normal to the members and which they regard as a kind of assistance if they can't launch themselves after graduation.

Thing is, some of these people linger for years and never graduate. Students come and go and may not realize this, but staff at the universities, including police, usually know of them. It's an area like underage drinking or noise complaints - no real push to put a stop to it. Unless the person does something really bad.

There's been an increase in such students at many colleges. It's a form of homelessness or being indigent, but the people who meet these men do not realize it, as they dress and act like students. They are unable to move on from college life, they won't move on, they are often regarded as BMOC (Big Men On Campus). BTW, I know of no women in this category except a couple of girlfriends who lived irregularly with their boyfriends - but they were students). I know about them most when I investigate cheating - it's often one of these students who has been collecting copies of exams (mostly given online these days) and is selling them/distributing them with answers to their housemates.

Anyway, such students are often trouble. So that was one of my first thoughts.

They are well versed at avoiding and defying authority, was my second thought. They are jealous and suspicious of real students, but hide it fairly well. Nearly every physical fight I've witnessed or been involved in recording/adjudicating involved one of these non-students. They usually claim they are about to enroll again, or they enroll every 3-4 semesters, constantly fail to complete. BTW, the federal government has put into place modest nation-wide measures to try and prevent these characters from continuing to get student loans AND to force repayment under some circumstances - if they can find them. Some of these non-students actually run large scams involving stealing identity and registering under different names at various other colleges than the one they are living at - thereby occasionally grabbing some money from an online university or college. At my college, we now have about 5 current restraining orders against such men because their behaviors ended up with criminal prosecution and they violated a local order not to come on campus. One of them has been sent to another state for his parole, because he won't stop coming on campus. He has come on campus armed.

This person I am describing cannot destroy the Elantra because their relative (or other person from whom they borrowed) would notice and might just be the type to put 2 and 2 together. These students cannot go home because their families have had it with their behavior (they steal from their families - and sometimes even brag about it). They steal from their dorm mates and house mates, too. They steal from the library too.

I believe this person is University related because LE has mostly received tips from and interviewed people from the University.

I'll bet professors have been interviewed, but also students from every single house/dorm associated with the victims and their social life. So not just Sigma Chi but also SAE, the two Pi houses (sororities) and any other place where they had friends or acquaintances.

Patterns have emerged. The type of individual I'm talking about will certainly have been mentioned by more than one person and LE surely will have asked, point blank, whether other students know of any such person - an older person pretending to be a student and perhaps using tactics of intimidation will be mentioned, and if several people mention the same guy, he's gotta be a POI.

I think one of these men has been associated with the Elantra by video or by testimony. The police also see the Elantra near the house on the night of the murders. Elantra is back out of town and at the house of the relative (who has likely been talked to, because I think they tracked it down).

The murderer - and perhaps an accomplice or unwitting tag-along on that night - went to that relative's house to return the car, clean up, and stay for Thanksgiving. Caught a ride with someone to come back, to be close to the crime scene and, as several here have suggested, see whether his own views of what LE is going to do are actually coming to pass. The car would still contain DNA from the victims.

This profile is based on whatever cases I could find that are remotely similar, and on other university murders that I know about. This person *could* have a part time job with the university in some capacity, may involve night work. This person uses university facilities as if they are entitled to them, but will have no transcripted credit-bearing classes for the past year or two (they may occasionally enroll, but fail to finish or the transcript will record a withdrawal or a fail). They may be lying to their families about still being in college (IME, this type of person is really volatile, scared and often suicidal - and to me, a suicidal student is always one that's capable of harming others as well, because they are constantly contemplating the great tabu against killing humans - they've decided that some humans deserve death, and they have both suicidal and homicidal fantasies). That's why when committing heinous crimes, they have no fear in the moment of being caught. Afterwards, they may find that being homicidal suits them better psychologically than being suicidal - which is another reason they are so scary.

As an aside, when I learned through MSM that there were animal mutilations in 2017 (associated with university life, let's just say - and the victims of the carcass dumpings were targeted), I realized that would make this person about 3-4 years older than our victims, if they started this behavior a couple of years after arriving.

Now, my whole story could be wrong - but LE has a similar story about someone, right now. I'm convinced of it. They know that this same person whose name has been coming up has some kind of run-ins with law, maybe back in high school. They have warned and talked to his family. He's feeling increasingly cornered, but they know where he is. It's essential that the extra FBI agents go to the homes of vacationing students to talk to every person who knows this person (or persons, if there are more than one).

This person is acquainted with every person who was killed. He lives nearby. He fits all the psychological criteria that people here on WS keep mentioning (jealous, rejected, fantasizer, angry and perhaps fearful) Scared humans who are about to be caught for something are dangerous. And it's more than just being turned in to university authorities for leaving without permission on campus. This person is likely also a petty drug dealer (as others here have hypothesized). So it all clicked for me. He would have been in the house before, but is not a boyfriend or an ex. Women on campus have had negative encounters with him already. He has likely approached at least one of the women romantically and was rebuffed (21 year old women often think a 24-25 year guy is a bit too old). He likely tries to hit on the 18-19 year olds, though. If he's around for so many years, he gets to watch the women he wanted to date move on to other men. This is highly displeasing to him.

If I am at all close, then this murderer knows that he's in the cross-hairs, although he may believe he's one of a handful and has almost certainly started rumors/stories to implicate others, or when interrogated, he implicated others. It's a dangerous time in the investigation because if that Elantra has been located, the instant LE moves in with a search warrant, the gig is up and this killer will know he's going down. If the owner of the Elantra cooperates, though, it can all be done without him finding out, at least not immediately.

As for the "context" quest by LE, I feel it fits with this theory. If this guy is who I think it is, there's definitely context - and from that night and from that weekend. His housemates are probably used to him coming and going at all hours, borrowing various cars, etc, but something still was amiss/relevant that happened on Nov 12 and if no one saw him on Nov 13, that needs to be established. I figure he told at least a few people he was "going home" for Thanksgiving, so no one would have thought much about it, and he very well did arrive at some relative's house on the 13th - and stay for Thanksgiving.

Weakest part of my theory is any good hypothesis about where this guy is right now. Could be on the run. Could be back at school (my guess, as this guy knows nothing else and can't function outside the life he's made at university). Could be at home with family. Could be staying with friends' family. LE surely are at the point where they either know exactly where he is (my guess) or are about to locate him,

I've read every post on this thread and the last one - and I appreciate the opportunity to write all of this out, using so much of what you all have been saying.
I learned so much reading this. Wow. There is so much to contemplate and integrate.
Thanks for your thoughts, and your thoughtfulness.
 
I thought this was interesting too. I was under the impression cleanup is completely up to the homeowner.
Usually it is the responsibility of the owner. I guess that article just says the police "enlisted" a company. Maybe the police just made the arrangments and the owner is paying for it. I'm sure the police are keeping it under their control while it is being cleaned to keep curious people from coming in.
 
SM is a stalker's best tool for helping them keep tabs on targets w/o having to follow them 24/7 some people do post info about where they are going, living, working, etc publicly. Stalkers take advantage of others' youthful naivety & innocence.
Wasn't Kaylee posting on that last evening?

I think this perpetrator uses social media to research targets

AIMOO
 
It's difficult to discern how much weight to give the information coming from the families about the case. When they discuss what they knew of these kids, their childhoods, hopes, struggles, dreams, then they're definitely the experts in my book. But when they're talking about an ongoing case that LE is deliberately buttoning up, I'm less inclined to automatically include what they're saying in my information gathering.
With no disrespect to these grieving families, I've decided not to consider what they're saying as gospel. I can't know what they're going through and with the inconsistencies and such, I don't want to treat them like I would treat a disinterested bystander. I am hoping so hard that someone is spending time with their family over this break and they're starting to realize they've got no way out except to confess to their role.
 
Who within 100 miles of Moscow would buy a 2011-2013 white Elantra since the search for it was first reported all over the country, and who, anywhere is going to buy one swimming in blood? If someone had bought such a car, minus the blood, before hearing about the search for the car, but after the murders, it is extremely likely that they would have notified LE of that information, as soon as they heard it was being sought.

Having said that, my thoughts are that the car has not been destroyed, or even painted or wrapped/unwrapped. It most likely just has not yet been found...

...or it has been. JMO

ETA I do understand that the implication is that someone destroyed or somehow got rid of it and just claimed to have sold it. but I feel like it is still in the killer's possession, or the possession of whomever the killer borrowed it from.
Or the Elantra owner is far, far away. Reality is LE has not found the vehicle, which seems to indicate the killer isn't anywhere near Moscow, ID.
 
They also cannot risk the public going in and taking photos of blood splatter , evidence markers etc. It would be extremely harmful in prosecuting the case if the entire country had knowledge and photos that gave away too much critical evidence.

A lot can be learned by the blood splatter , possible footprints, damage to doors or walls and evidence stickers left behind.

At this point there are many news or media outlets that have probably reached out to landlord already offering big money for first access to interior of the house for photos etc.

I think it’s very smart LE is handling the cleanup.

The one thing no one has leaked is interior photos of the house.

I doubt LE is handling cleanup. Cleaning private property is not something LE does. Insurance typically covers specialized cleaning.
 
So do we have any idea how the killer excited the house? I would think he would almost have to be dripping blood and leaving a trail which way he excited. Even if he managed not to cut himself would not the knife or his clothes leave droplets of the victims blood on the floor as he left?

Guess he could have cleaned up as he was leaving. But I imagine le did luminale testing for blood and could still see where it was cleaned up.

What do you think?
Yes blood trail all over clothes and car even if cleaned luminal would still show trail. This is why IMO killer was not a student as he would bave been spotted covered in blood returning to a dorm or frat house filled with students. Most likely lives alone or with parents that would not notice him missing for a day or two and dont see his coming and goings.
So do we have any idea how the killer excited the house? I would think he would almost have to be dripping blood and leaving a trail which way he excited. Even if he managed not to cut himself would not the knife or his clothes leave droplets of the victims blood on the floor as he left?

Guess he could have cleaned up as he was leaving. But I imagine le did luminale testing for blood and could still see where it was cleaned up.

What do you think?
Yes lots
 
My guess is that the house will eventually be demolished. Who would want to live there after what happened? The area could be turned by the city into a memorial pocket park, or maybe someone would build another house there that wasn't so clearly connected to the murders.

JMO
We lived directly behind a family of 3 who was stabbed to death in the 1960's. I was a kid so don't remember how long it took, but the house did sell and there are people living there to this day. The murder was never solved either. It was an unreal experience to live that close and actually know the family to some extent. The little girl was only 3. All were stabbed in their beds.
 
MOO,

I feel Like it’s a very promising sign that LE feels confident enough to release the crime scene and have it cleaned.

I’ve heard of police holding onto other, much less high profile cases properties for much longer. Especially those without a suspect or clear idea of what occurred or how etc.

I also know of other cases where they held onto properties a few months into investigation and after developing suspect and clear picture of crime they were able to go back and discover dna evidence or fingerprints in places previously skipped over or missed.

The fact that LE is releasing the home, tells me they do indeed have corroborating dna or forensic evidence of some type that confirms the killers presence in the house and hopefully identity.

Without a suspect or firm dna or forensic evidence they can use at trial to prove completely that person was there… I doubt they would be releasing the home.

You need evidence , concrete evidence to prove that POI was in the house and committed these horrific murders.

If they didn’t have this…. They wouldn’t release the house.

Again all my opinion only
 
This NYT article made it sound like Kaylee was going in June:

"Kaylee Goncalves, who was from Rathdrum, Idaho, had been set to graduate early in December and planned to move to Austin, Texas, with one of her close friends in June. The friend, Jordyn Quesnell, said Ms. Goncalves had secured a position with a marketing firm and was excited to explore more of the country."


<moo>
I read her apartment share from February to June as, "I'm done with Idaho and heading to Austin ASAP" but all of this is certainly up for interpretation!
 
Even then, with what appears to be blood dripping in the walls, Im not sure how they will clean the remaining blood from the internal studwork?

Maybe there are neutralising chemicals, but some plasterboard may have to come off inside.

If that is the case, maybe LE might want to be there in case DNA or fibres turn up.
AIMOO
I have no doubt that some drywall will have to come out and be replaced, same with carpet.
 
Or the Elantra owner is far, far away. Reality is LE has not found the vehicle, which seems to indicate the killer isn't anywhere near Moscow, ID.
Fox news pulled the datasets for campus parking for four years of all the Elantras.

At least one data-row was redacted with that Elantras details.

 
I had no idea that this was a common thing. I know of an instance at a college where an individual who is just as you described was accused of rape. The college really could do nothing about him unless the victim pressed charges. He did not technically live on campus, or attend classes, so he could not be expelled. He could not be investigated as a student because he wasn’t one. He “stayed” in a frat house and preyed on new students at some of their first college parties, girls who had drank too much and felt shame and were reluctant to prosecute with all that goes along with that. Does everyone involved in college life know of these types? Your words scared me.
IMO it’s not a common thing. Never seen this or heard of this on campus with the exception of those who still hangout at parties and football tailgates. That’s not the same as attending classes and immersing yourself as a student. And you absolutely CANNOT live in a Greek house unless you are an ACTIVE member of that chapter. To be an active member you must submit enrollment verifications and maintain a certain GPA, both of which are monitored by the IFC (Greek council) at the school. It’s not left up to the individual frat/sorority where they could let a “buddy” slide. There are also strict rules in place that forbid these houses being coed. Doesn’t mean a GF/BF won’t break the rules and sleep over, but it’s not as portrayed in the other post you’re responding to. This is a nationwide standard for the Greek system as a whole (NPHC/IFC, etc) and not up to individual schools or chapters. I say this as a recent college grad and Greek alum/chair.
 
SPECULATION, THEORIES AHEAD. JMO.

Yes. First of all, I've lived on college campuses for a total of about 20 years, and worked on them for a total of about 40 years. Large and small colleges/universities, public and private.

LONG POST incoming - but I've synthesized so much of what many of you have been writing over the past couple of days - you'll see that I"m using many of the hypotheses here, which kind of clicked together Lego-style for me, with this story.
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It's always the case that there are longterm hangers-on, who pretend to be students, on every college campus. It's particularly common right now, IMO.

Heck, some of the scariest moments of teaching have to do with some individual being in class and they aren't students!

It's actually difficult to detect in larger lecture classes. Each time it's happened to me, there's been some specific behavior that this person is exhibiting that made me worry/wonder about them and I'd have to do things to get their names (and sometimes, they'd disappear before or immediately after my "investigation" - whereas no other students even notice that I did a pop quiz and then walked around and specifically collected the papers by hand.

At larger schools (U of Id is definitely not tiny), these students can blend in and hang on for years.

I believe that the Elantra belongs to a relative of one of these people.

It was never registered properly for campus use. The person lives in on-campus housing (likely a Greek house, as all the principals in this case were associated with a Greek house), and may be seen as an Elder Brother and as we know, the brothers at the house are not going to turn such a person into housing authorities. Food is no problem for them, in this situation. Some have girlfriends in the house if it's co-ed housing, so they kind of share those rooms off the record. We do not have fraternities on campus where I work right now, but we have them off-campus and I have my students do papers on their residences using social mapping techniques and so I know that every fraternity has at least 1-2 of these people, which seems normal to the members and which they regard as a kind of assistance if they can't launch themselves after graduation.

Thing is, some of these people linger for years and never graduate. Students come and go and may not realize this, but staff at the universities, including police, usually know of them. It's an area like underage drinking or noise complaints - no real push to put a stop to it. Unless the person does something really bad.

There's been an increase in such students at many colleges. It's a form of homelessness or being indigent, but the people who meet these men do not realize it, as they dress and act like students. They are unable to move on from college life, they won't move on, they are often regarded as BMOC (Big Men On Campus). BTW, I know of no women in this category except a couple of girlfriends who lived irregularly with their boyfriends - but they were students). I know about them most when I investigate cheating - it's often one of these students who has been collecting copies of exams (mostly given online these days) and is selling them/distributing them with answers to their housemates.

Anyway, such students are often trouble. So that was one of my first thoughts.

They are well versed at avoiding and defying authority, was my second thought. They are jealous and suspicious of real students, but hide it fairly well. Nearly every physical fight I've witnessed or been involved in recording/adjudicating involved one of these non-students. They usually claim they are about to enroll again, or they enroll every 3-4 semesters, constantly fail to complete. BTW, the federal government has put into place modest nation-wide measures to try and prevent these characters from continuing to get student loans AND to force repayment under some circumstances - if they can find them. Some of these non-students actually run large scams involving stealing identity and registering under different names at various other colleges than the one they are living at - thereby occasionally grabbing some money from an online university or college. At my college, we now have about 5 current restraining orders against such men because their behaviors ended up with criminal prosecution and they violated a local order not to come on campus. One of them has been sent to another state for his parole, because he won't stop coming on campus. He has come on campus armed.

This person I am describing cannot destroy the Elantra because their relative (or other person from whom they borrowed) would notice and might just be the type to put 2 and 2 together. These students cannot go home because their families have had it with their behavior (they steal from their families - and sometimes even brag about it). They steal from their dorm mates and house mates, too. They steal from the library too.

I believe this person is University related because LE has mostly received tips from and interviewed people from the University.

I'll bet professors have been interviewed, but also students from every single house/dorm associated with the victims and their social life. So not just Sigma Chi but also SAE, the two Pi houses (sororities) and any other place where they had friends or acquaintances.

Patterns have emerged. The type of individual I'm talking about will certainly have been mentioned by more than one person and LE surely will have asked, point blank, whether other students know of any such person - an older person pretending to be a student and perhaps using tactics of intimidation will be mentioned, and if several people mention the same guy, he's gotta be a POI.

I think one of these men has been associated with the Elantra by video or by testimony. The police also see the Elantra near the house on the night of the murders. Elantra is back out of town and at the house of the relative (who has likely been talked to, because I think they tracked it down).

The murderer - and perhaps an accomplice or unwitting tag-along on that night - went to that relative's house to return the car, clean up, and stay for Thanksgiving. Caught a ride with someone to come back, to be close to the crime scene and, as several here have suggested, see whether his own views of what LE is going to do are actually coming to pass. The car would still contain DNA from the victims.

This profile is based on whatever cases I could find that are remotely similar, and on other university murders that I know about. This person *could* have a part time job with the university in some capacity, may involve night work. This person uses university facilities as if they are entitled to them, but will have no transcripted credit-bearing classes for the past year or two (they may occasionally enroll, but fail to finish or the transcript will record a withdrawal or a fail). They may be lying to their families about still being in college (IME, this type of person is really volatile, scared and often suicidal - and to me, a suicidal student is always one that's capable of harming others as well, because they are constantly contemplating the great tabu against killing humans - they've decided that some humans deserve death, and they have both suicidal and homicidal fantasies). That's why when committing heinous crimes, they have no fear in the moment of being caught. Afterwards, they may find that being homicidal suits them better psychologically than being suicidal - which is another reason they are so scary.

As an aside, when I learned through MSM that there were animal mutilations in 2017 (associated with university life, let's just say - and the victims of the carcass dumpings were targeted), I realized that would make this person about 3-4 years older than our victims, if they started this behavior a couple of years after arriving.

Now, my whole story could be wrong - but LE has a similar story about someone, right now. I'm convinced of it. They know that this same person whose name has been coming up has some kind of run-ins with law, maybe back in high school. They have warned and talked to his family. He's feeling increasingly cornered, but they know where he is. It's essential that the extra FBI agents go to the homes of vacationing students to talk to every person who knows this person (or persons, if there are more than one).

This person is acquainted with every person who was killed. He lives nearby. He fits all the psychological criteria that people here on WS keep mentioning (jealous, rejected, fantasizer, angry and perhaps fearful) Scared humans who are about to be caught for something are dangerous. And it's more than just being turned in to university authorities for leaving without permission on campus. This person is likely also a petty drug dealer (as others here have hypothesized). So it all clicked for me. He would have been in the house before, but is not a boyfriend or an ex. Women on campus have had negative encounters with him already. He has likely approached at least one of the women romantically and was rebuffed (21 year old women often think a 24-25 year guy is a bit too old). He likely tries to hit on the 18-19 year olds, though. If he's around for so many years, he gets to watch the women he wanted to date move on to other men. This is highly displeasing to him.

If I am at all close, then this murderer knows that he's in the cross-hairs, although he may believe he's one of a handful and has almost certainly started rumors/stories to implicate others, or when interrogated, he implicated others. It's a dangerous time in the investigation because if that Elantra has been located, the instant LE moves in with a search warrant, the gig is up and this killer will know he's going down. If the owner of the Elantra cooperates, though, it can all be done without him finding out, at least not immediately.

As for the "context" quest by LE, I feel it fits with this theory. If this guy is who I think it is, there's definitely context - and from that night and from that weekend. His housemates are probably used to him coming and going at all hours, borrowing various cars, etc, but something still was amiss/relevant that happened on Nov 12 and if no one saw him on Nov 13, that needs to be established. I figure he told at least a few people he was "going home" for Thanksgiving, so no one would have thought much about it, and he very well did arrive at some relative's house on the 13th - and stay for Thanksgiving.

Weakest part of my theory is any good hypothesis about where this guy is right now. Could be on the run. Could be back at school (my guess, as this guy knows nothing else and can't function outside the life he's made at university). Could be at home with family. Could be staying with friends' family. LE surely are at the point where they either know exactly where he is (my guess) or are about to locate him,

I've read every post on this thread and the last one - and I appreciate the opportunity to write all of this out, using so much of what you all have been saying.
this is an interesting idea- if anyone recalls, the guy who killed the couple in NH (Reids) recently was camping out at U VT and using facilities there. The guy who was pretending to go to college and pretending to have a job killed his parents when they were finding out about his lies (Halderson, WI). Maybe this Idaho person shifted to another school or to another campus because that would be one way avoid "heat." Murders, however, would be a dangerous thing for a campus-hanger-onner to do because such a person's "success" requires that they blend in and not attract too much attention, IMO, so something would have had to trigger such a person to go beyond a level of petty crime, IMO.
 
I read her apartment share from February to June as, "I'm done with Idaho and heading to Austin ASAP" but all of this is certainly up for interpretation!
My understanding is, Kaylee scored a job which afforded her the new secondhand car which she came to show off to her friends.

From what I can gather, employment was the driver of where Kaylee was to reside.
 
opinion only


The Murderer will be a Student or ex student that has been in that house and in that yard before.

I suspect there’s a possibility that there was a driver and a Killer (2 people). A driver and a Killer would help explain the missing Elantra.

The Murderer knew it was a house full of people. There were at least 4-5 cars parked in the driveway. The Murderer was fully aware of the first floor students.

This person was aware of the Risks, yet moved forward.

I think it’s possible the student’s overall experience where they toyed with Police, left them at the door for 10-15 mins and lied to them with impunity could have created a view (in a subset of students) where the Police were viewed as a joke.

At first glance, with the houses so close and numerous people loose in the house (free to move about) and cell phones - this is a Crime where one would have to be crazy to attempt - but if viewed in a light of the Cops being viewed as essentially outwitted Mall Cops coupled with a dangerous criminal mind of the Perp, it was pulled off, for now.



MOO
I run these theorized scenarios in my mind over and over. The last couple of days, it being a professional had to have done this. (JMO) Then I read a post such as yours, and it throws me back to it had to be someone very familiar with the entire house. Furniture included. For some strange reason, my mind keeps questioning how did a stranger move quickly through that house so stealthily without stubbing his/her toe or bumping into walls or furniture?
 
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