ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 5

[Ed Teach]

I think ALL cell phones must allow emergency calls, even if not paying for service. That has been the case for several years. Emergency calls include 911 and (I think) your ICE contact.

Yes I looked it up and mentioned that upstream. Didn't see anything about ICE though. That's weird.

 

[William Goat]

I do think it's unusual that no one moved toward the victim to see if they could help??? Who does that? A young man down on the ground and you do nothing to help?

I agree... But when you think of the shock, blood, and probably even the smell of all of it in the air it really doesn't surprise me how it could almost paralyze someone. Then you look at the timeline and brutality of it, the bodies had to be grayish blue at that point. I remember when I was 22 maybe 23 and I called 911 for this kid that od on heroin at a party. This kid was gray pale and not breathing. Thought he was dead. Ambulance came and he survived. I wouldn't even want to imagine what this scene looked like 8-9 hours after all this.

Scary stuff

 

[Curiosa20]

That is curious, almost makes you think there is some sort of cult angle.

Cult or hardcore militia, hate group indoctrination or training does not seem unreasonable to me.

 

[detectivehomemom]

Police report said the phone used to call them was one of the roommates.

 

[Curiosa20]

Yes I looked it up and mentioned that upstream. Didn't see anything about ICE though. That's weird.

ICE? What?

 

[AgithaBoots]

sorry in my haste i forgot to add in my opinion! Whoops!

 

[abeaman02]

I think it is a pretty safe assumption that the two survivors either had a separate locked door to the floor they were in or a lock on their bedroom doors and they were locked on that night. I am a Realtor and a lot of homes in college areas I show that have one or two floors have a main entrance and living area but a locked door to either the hall leading to their rooms especially by the stairs, or locks on their bedrooms. Maybe the victims did not have their doors locked bit the survivors did. That would make sense as to why the survivors were on a common floor. I asked my my daughter who is at at a large university (Michigan State) living off campus and always has her airpods in so she can sleep at night and not hear the partying and she said hears nothing when sleeping and if she does unless it sirens or here cats she ignores it, because people are crazy when partying. Sometimes she does not leave her room all day on weekends if she is not in the mood to socialize. Thus why they may have not realize what happened. MOO

 

[Too Right]

I wish they were more clear with these statements. What is this "one of the roommates cell phones" supposed to mean? It raises more questions than it answers.

I like this careful wording. It means LE knows where and how the call originated and that they are NOT assuming who made the call.

 

[Blue_Painting]

I agree... But when you think of the shock, blood, and probably even the smell of all of it in the air it really doesn't surprise me how it could almost paralyze someone. Then you look at the timeline and brutality of it, the bodies had to be grayish blue at that point. I remember when I was 22 maybe 23 and I called 911 for this kid that od on heroin at a party. This kid was gray pale and not breathing. Thought he was dead. Ambulance came and he survived but I wouldn't even want to imagine what this scence looked like 8-9 hours after all this.

Scary stuff

That's a good point. But, given the awful scene, how did they not emphasize the severity? It seems like it was conveyed as an unconscious person? Also, how did they not investigate further and check on their roommates? I think I would feel compelled to look further, but maybe not.

 

[tokyorose]

Police report said the phone used to call them was one of the roommates.

... but they were all roommates ( except Ethan)

 

[KonaHonu]

I was in Pullman, which is only 8 miles west. Saturday had been cool, but very nice and sunny until the early afternoon when it became overcast and the temp dropped. In the evening it was still overcast and pretty foggy. I have no idea how much weather can change going a few miles east to Moscow.

Thanks. So basically we can't assume good visiability of the suspect even though there was adequate moonlight

 

[tokyorose]

I like this careful wording. It means LE knows where and how the call originated and that they are NOT assuming who made the call.

I hadn't considered that they don't know who made the call.. the dispatcher should be able to tell them if it was a male or female voice though.

 

[KPO]

FBI lending support would be not surprising; it would be usual to help canvass, process evidence, help develop a profile for shockingly bizarre mayhem in a tiny town.
But it is not at all usual for the CIRG team to be there.

Why? I don't know anything about CIRG but this is how it is described online.

"Through CIRG, expert assistance is available in cases involving the abduction or mysterious disappearance of children, crisis management, hostage negotiation, criminal investigative analysis, and special weapons and tactics."

This case seems to fall within those parameters.

 

[JosefZ]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594180055827378177

The crime scene descriptions by authorities are eery. I can’t help but think of the concept of blood atonement. MOO

 

[Shekkiec]

Police report said the phone used to call them was one of the roommates.

Maybe her phone died? And tried to call from her roommates?

 

[Ed Teach]

Also, how did they not investigate further and check on their roommates? I think I would feel compelled to look further, but maybe not.

Personally I think I would get out immediately. I'd be scared the killer was still there.

 

[Mariposa]

Someone I think on the last thread mentioned this case where one housemate was targeted and stabbed because a man was jealous of her friendship with his wife. A second housemate was killed as well, and a third survived and is not sure why. She is quoted as saying “Asked why she thought Copple didn't kill her, Lauren said, "I don't know. I just happened to have my door closed that night. That's it. That's the only thing."

Sole Survivor of Napa Killings Speaks

abcnews.go.com

 

[abcdefgihavetogo]

I do think it's unusual that no one moved toward the victim to see if they could help??? Who does that? A young man down on the ground and you do nothing to help?

IMO, if i saw someone laying in a pool of their own blood (given the crime scene description) I would not approach that person. I would yell their name from a close distance to see if they responded and maybe get lower to see if there were any rise or fall of their chest but I would NOT touch them or even attempt to check a pulse. I mean…it’s clearly a crime scene.

I agree with the other opinions on here that the 911 operator labeled the victim as unconscious because the caller could not confirm if the person was breathing/dead. It’s also my opinion the surviving roommates friend came over - maybe the roommate and friend went upstairs to go to the kitchen - saw E and freaked out and the roommate began dialing 911 but was too hysterical to speak to the operator so the friend spoke with the operator. just MOO.

 

[FruitTingles]

... but they were all roommates ( except Ethan)

And Kaylee, was she not said to have moved out and back home as she was preparing to relocate to Texas for a job? I need to look for the link of where I saw this.

 

[AngTxGal]

This may have gotten lost in thread switch-
I’m more concerned now about the full in involvement of the FBI CIRG Group… and wonder about the nature of the stalking.
Anybody remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

In response to public outcry over the standoffs at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and of the Branch Davidians in the Waco Siege, the FBI formed the CIRG in 1994 to deal with crisis situations more efficiently. The CIRG is designated to formulate strategies, manage hostage or siege situations, and if possible resolve them "without loss of life", as pledged in a 1995 Senate hearing by FBI Director Louis Freeh, who assumed the post four-and-a-half months after the Waco Siege.

CIRG was intended to integrate tactical and investigative resources and expertise for critical incidents which necessitate an immediate response from law enforcement authorities. CIRG will deploy investigative specialists to respond to terrorist activities, hostage takings, child abductions and other high-risk repetitive violent crimes. Other major incidents include prison riots, bombings, air and train crashes, and natural disasters.

FBI Critical Incident Response Group - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What about this situation is like the extreme examples you’ve mentioned?
Likely this FBI CIRG Group is used in other ways since 1995
Or Am I missing something, do they have a subject holding off law enforcement with guns?