ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

[Alethea]

Does anyone have any ideas as to how it is humanly possible that the two roommates didn’t get woken up by this commotion? 4 people getting stabbed to death and nobody calls 911 until 11am the next day? What am I missing?

It's possible the killer put pillows over their faces so the actual murder was quick and quiet. The surviving roommates may have 1) been drunk, 2) taken sleeping pills, 3) used earplugs, 4) had music on, and/or 5) may have been in what looks from the outside to be a converted garage (from when the original house was built) so the sound may be muffled.

I will not doubt anything after my husband (who uses wax swimmer ear plugs when he sleeps) has slept through not only the fire alarms misfiring throughout the whole house but my two 150 pound dogs barking like crazy at the fire alarms. Some people are really deep sleepers.

I don't drink but if I take one benadryl I'll sleep through my husband's whole morning routine where he's stomping around, exercising, showering, getting dressed, etc. Not exactly a murder but large husbands make a lot of noise even if they are trying to be quiet!

 

[RetiredEE]

I'm thinking an experienced hunter type knows where to initially stab to prevent a possible vocal reaction.

I don't know any hunters who a) worry about their prey vocalizing or b) stab deer, elk, moose, bear or small game.

I will admit that a knife season might even the odds somewhat...

 

[RANCH]

That's like putting coke in a Pepsi glass.

Not sure what your point is. I bought a knife that came with a crappy sheath so I bought one that was way better for it.

My point is that finding a particular sheath doesn't tell us by itself what knife was carried in it. JMO.

 

[hopewell]

There have been plenty of amateurs who have stabbed multiple people before without getting ill at all. This person would have had all sorts of adrenaline running, and he was likely in a state of full-blown rage. Even if the first killing made him sick or gave him pause, he wouldn’t have just stopped killing if the other roommates tried to fight back or got in his way.

These folks were on separate floors and in bed asleep. A rage kill would've probably woken up the neighborhood, and at a minimum those killed and the survivors downstairs. This was almost certainly meticulous in how it was done. And quiet for the most part, which an outward full-blown rage wouldn't suggest for in my view.

 

[PoppyJune]

So I totally understand the word “targeted” in this case. As in, this wasn’t a wrong place at the wrong time situation, not a ‘want to be killer’ hiding a long a running trail just waiting for the next person to jog by. No, this was someone that had a plan. They were intentional in these murders. Maybe they only intended to kill one person but they got caught up in the situation and proceeded to kill 3 others. Maybe 3 of the girls were the targets and the boyfriend happened to be in the way. I don’t know that I am leaning towards the killer being male or female. If the individual actually took the time to lock the bedroom doors as he/she was exiting the rooms, that screams cold, calculated, almost calm mannerisms in what I can only imagine was a gruesome scene. To stab one person to death, lock the door on the way out of the room…that is an individual that WALKED from one room to the next, committed the same acts again, and again. No hurry, no rush. Psychopath indeed. I feel they will be caught, maybe not as quickly as we’d like to see but It will happen IMO.

 

[sds71]

Morgan Romero TV
@MorganRomeroTV


INBOX from #MoscowPD: Investigators looked into info about victim Kaylee Goncalves having a stalker. They pursued hundreds of pieces of info related to this & *have not been able to verify or identify a stalker*

 

[L.laricina]

And he hasn't actually seen the scene or the evidence or the autopsy... I'm not sure how they come up with these ideas without actually seeing any of the evidence.

The same way we do...wild speculation! At this point, anyone's specualtion is as good as anyone else's.

 

[kbckcern22]

Want to thank otto once again for that great post of the house and layout. Double Like

It’s so helpful when you can actually visualize! I really am leaning towards the intruder came in the sliding kitchen doors and E and X were the first victims… I also get the feeling that maybe E or X didn’t die right away and tried to move to get help… ex: started to crawl from the bedroom and died closer to the kitchen area and as one of the surviving roommates got up the living room stairs that afternoon, noticed either E or X! We know that X fought and had defensive wounds, but not much after that. So chilling and awful to me to think of what these poor kids endured! IMO

I’m sure many of you have stated what door the perp used, and who was murdered first…I don’t want to go back to far but def interested what others think?!

 

[Strong1]

I realize that these victims had a pretty big social media presence. Could someone from social media have had something to do with these murders. Was someone jealous, did someone feel slighted, or did some one become obsessed with them.

 

[KRene15]

I recall one of the press conferences LE said there was “no connection” to the ex bf J being a suspect but on the Moscow pd website it says who is NOT believed to be involved but he is not listed….I know we’re not supposed to sleuth those who are cleared but I found that interesting

 

[seageorge]

If the people were locked in their rooms and not responding, you could knock and then call other friends, "Hey is Ethan with you?" They come over and eventually you figure they must be in there, unconscious, call 911.

I think it's notable that law enforcement were called and arrived before EMT. That suggests to me that the whoever called 911 may have described a death or crime scene to the operator. I don't think LE typically respond when there's a 911 call purely for medical aid. At least not in my experience.

 

[sds71]

“fixed blade knife”

@RaniaKaur

This is the latest update from Moscow Police Department about the U of I murder investigation. Anyone with any information, including about Kaylee Goncalves possible stalker, is asked to contact the tip line:

 

[Mayboy1998]

Has LE released or has anyone sleuthed out, the location of rooms each victim was currently staying in? I’ve seen much discussion about the layout and photos that were VERY insightful but would be nice to a firm idea of where everybody was

 

[Bnic84]

Morgan Romero TV
@MorganRomeroTV


INBOX from #MoscowPD: Investigators looked into info about victim Kaylee Goncalves having a stalker. They pursued hundreds of pieces of info related to this & *have not been able to verify or identify a stalker*

Maybe it was a situation where he kept bugging her but not actual stalkerish enough to report to the cops. Where she might have said "god I have a stalker" just because he was annoying and not an actual scary stalker.

 

[mysteryfan96]

These folks were on separate floors and in bed asleep. A rage kill would've probably woken up the neighborhood, and at a minimum those killed and the survivors downstairs. This was almost certainly meticulous in how it was done. And quiet for the most part, which an outward full-blown rage wouldn't suggest for in my view.

If it were meticulous, I don’t think the killer would have left behind the copious amounts of evidence that he did. I know it’s all just speculation at this point, and you could be right. But rage killings don’t have to be loud, and amateurs can absolutely stab victims repeatedly without feeling a thing. As someone else pointed out, OJ Simpson did that very thing. He flew into a violent rage upon seeing his wife with another man and proceeded to mutilate and almost behead them on their front sidewalk. He was able to do so and slip away with no neighbors hearing anything but a dog barking. Inside a house with closed doors, I could easily see a sloppy rage-filled stabbing occurring with the roommates passed out two floors below and neighbors not hearing anything. Just MOO.

 

[Mayboy1998]

Maybe it was a situation where he kept bugging her but not actual stalkerish enough to report to the cops. Where she might have said "god I have a stalker" just because he was annoying and not an actual scary stalker.

Where Did the stalker info originally come from?

 

[tara83]

Where Did the stalker info originally come from? Wasn’t it a parent of the one of the victims?

No it was Mark Fuhrman who said a random student told him a friend of a friend said Kaylee had a stalker.Sounds like BS.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Probably most people who have ever been of legal drinking age at U of I have been in the Corner Club at least one time. The Club can also be classified as a "college bar."

If you wanted a real dive in (near) Moscow try Schermann's Slurp 'n Burp or the Plantation. "The Burp" was frequented by farmers, truckers, foresters, college kids and ne'er do wells. It had a toughest man in the bar chair by the door. Great fries (probably never changed the grease. You HAD to wash your clothes as soon as you got home or the next day.

Even the college kids call the Corner Club a dive bar in spite of it being a quintessential college experience

The ‘Burp is long gone but was an excellent dive bar with excellent food - the owners were friends. The Plant is a huge yikes & I agree it’s likely currently diviest of dive local watering holes

 

[margarita25]

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In the CNN video I posted above with Paul Holes, he said some killers decide to kill 72 hours before, so LE should be looking at their movements within that time frame, and even before that, which I’m sure they’re doing.

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I’m a little confused about this new police tape going up and new area so close by being searched. I haven’t looked closely but it seems really close and wonder why the tape is just going up in that area so much later, but am behind so maybe there’s a logical answer to this, and it’s not as close as I’m assuming it is.

 

[ansrali]

If it were meticulous, I don’t think the killer would have left behind the copious amounts of evidence that he did. I know it’s all just speculation at this point, and you could be right. But rage killings don’t have to be loud, and amateurs can absolutely stab victims repeatedly without feeling a thing.

snipped for focus. i think the only person who said there was "copious amounts of evidence" was the father of K, who stated that the scene was a mess. i think weshould be careful using this statement as confirmation because 1) he doesn't have experience with crime scenes/has not had access to the house, 2) there is likely quite a bit of wishful thinking going on here regarding the possibility of someone being caught quickly.. i don't think it's been confirmed either way if any evidence or trace of the perp has been located.