ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

[essjay]

That's been a thing since the beginning of man and women.

"Hey, let me get that for you."

Yes. Violent crime is actually wayyyy down from the 70s, 80s, 90s... We just have easier access to this information with the help of the internet.

 

[tara83]

I'm beginning to think LE is telling the truth and has no clue who the killer is.

 

[essjay]

From the City Of Moscow Police Department's Facebook post on 11/21, 16 hours ago...

"On the night of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed and turned over to Animal Services and then released to a responsible party."

I have questions regarding this statement:

1. Is LE referring to the "night of the incident" as the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13th, close to when the incident occurred, or are they referring to the evening of Sunday, November 13th?

2. If LE located Murphy (KG and J's Dog) at the residence in the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13th, this would mean that someone reported or found Murphy, and the murders had already occurred. Unknowingly to LE, they turned Murphy over to Animal Services, and AS eventually released Murphy to J. This scenario is more probable than the latter.

3. If LE located Murphy at the residence on the evening of Sunday, November 13th, this would mean that LE found Murphy around the residence during their investigation.

Huh? How do you figure #2? No one has said anything about Murphy being reported or found... Quite literally in the statement they say the dog was AT the residence. Since no one surviving at the residence was the dog's owner, they took him to AS to process -- as is usual.

I think we're reading too much into the phrasing here. Nothing suggests that the dog was loose.

 

[Bree1950]

The most helpful post I’ve read so far involved the Google earth post! It was very informative as to location, elevations and points of interest for someone to hide and observe and also escape! I think it holds many clues to solving this case!

 

[nao]

Moo...the timing might of been planned. There were events happening that brought many out of towners in...then thanksgiving so many people leaving for weekend....so really perfect timing for..disappearing into the crowd of coming and leaving town. ..they maybe permanent resident or just there for visit.... complicates things for police thats for sure..moo

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

So from what I gather, LE is stating they have no idea how the killer entered and exited. My question is, wasn't the front door left open? If a killer enters a house, he's probably going to close the door behind him to prevent any noise from being heard. Could he have entered and left through the front door? Possibly, but the quickest way out after the killings would have been the sliding door by the kitchen. Obviously, there's also the concealment element with the trees and foliage at the back of the property. It would give an attacker excellent cover for ingress/egress.

 

[Parsnip]

The only way I can think of that LE ID's the knife type is maybe the killer wiped the blade off on a bed sheet or other cloth item and they have an outline. But as stated earlier, I doubt there is anything there detailed enough to tell what the make - KA-BAR, Cold Steel, Ontario, Case, etc. - it is. KA-BAR is probably the make most people recognize.

I just had a look at some of them online. I see “USMC” is debossed on some of them. Perhaps, as you suggest, if the blade was wiped or rested somewhere, it left a distinctive mark. Thanks for your insights.

 

[justanotherwebsleuthyall]

So from what I gather, LE is stating they have no idea how the killer entered and exited. My question is, wasn't the front door left open? If a killer enters a house, he's probably going to close the door behind him to prevent any noise from being heard. Could he have entered and left through the front door? Possibly, but the quickest way out after the killings would have been the sliding door by the kitchen. Obviously, there's also the concealment element with the trees and foliage at the back of the property. It would give an attacker excellent cover for ingress/egress.

They have been seen examining this back wooded area.

 

[GraceVPrice]

Huh? How do you figure #2? No one has said anything about Murphy being reported or found... Quite literally in the statement they say the dog was AT the residence. Since no one surviving at the residence was the dog's owner, they took him to AS to process -- as is usual.

I think we're reading too much into the phrasing here. Nothing suggests that the dog was loose.

Likely it should say in the morning. I don't think there's anything weird going on with the dog, just mis-spoken/reported.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

So from what I gather, LE is stating they have no idea how the killer entered and exited. My question is, wasn't the front door left open? If a killer enters a house, he's probably going to close the door behind him to prevent any noise from being heard. Could he have entered and left through the front door? Possibly, but the quickest way out after the killings would have been the sliding door by the kitchen. Obviously, there's also the concealment element with the trees and foliage at the back of the property. It would give an attacker excellent cover for ingress/egress.

It would be interesting to know what camera footage from ring doorbells or other cameras is in the possession of the police. Also, do we know if the FBI is taking the lead?

 

[Bree1950]

The only way I can think of that LE ID's the knife type is maybe the killer wiped the blade off on a bed sheet or other cloth item and they have an outline. But as stated earlier, I doubt there is anything there detailed enough to tell what the make - KA-BAR, Cold Steel, Ontario, Case, etc. - it is. KA-BAR is probably the make most people recognize.

They can tell a lot about the knife at autopsy due to how it cut skin and how it precisely cut. They can get very specific!

 

[Miss Jennifer]

Huh? How do you figure #2? No one has said anything about Murphy being reported or found... Quite literally in the statement they say the dog was AT the residence. Since no one surviving at the residence was the dog's owner, they took him to AS to process -- as is usual.

I think we're reading too much into the phrasing here. Nothing suggests that the dog was loose.

Because LE clearly states, "On the night of the incident." LE didn't show up at the residence until after the 911 call was made, which was around noon.

 

[NervousNellie]

sounds like a pretty typical college house with several roommates to me

Right? And even when only the tenants were home, it might still seem like a "house full of people." Five young women can make plenty of noise for absolutely no reason.

 

[Balthazar]

There had to be a triggering event. An unpleasant interaction, somebody getting a citation, somebody getting in trouble, someone who thought they were important getting blown off, something…something triggered this horrific crime

Not necessarily. For example, not if the the unknown subject has mental illness. Yesterday Mr. Goncalves said that the intruder left a sloppy crime scene with evidence all over the place. That indicates a disorganized offender. Univ. of Idaho killer was ‘sloppy,’ left ‘mess’ of evidence, victim’s family says

 

[dgfred]

So from what I gather, LE is stating they have no idea how the killer entered and exited. My question is, wasn't the front door left open? If a killer enters a house, he's probably going to close the door behind him to prevent any noise from being heard. Could he have entered and left through the front door? Possibly, but the quickest way out after the killings would have been the sliding door by the kitchen. Obviously, there's also the concealment element with the trees and foliage at the back of the property. It would give an attacker excellent cover for ingress/egress.

Maybe rushed in behind them. Maybe left door open to prevent leaving prints/etc

 

[Diddian]

All speculation and MOO and based on the known fact that K drove her new Range Rover into town right before the crime, I wonder if the vehicle's route records have been searched with follow up by LE at any stops she may have made on her trip from home to Moscow, with possibility of crossing paths with the perp OTW, who then followed her into Moscow and stalked her and the residence on the day of the crime. I know it is highly speculative but possible. Did K stop at a restaurant to eat, a gas station, rest area between home and Moscow? Cameras at those locations? AMOO

You bring up a good point about possible suspects following KG to the area on her trip back from CdA.

I've also wondered whether she might have attracted the attention of a person at her new employer and that person made a trip to Idaho. Reports have mentioned she had a move to Texas planned in association with her upcoming employment, so I assume the employer is based there (but may not be, with so many working remotely post-COVID). KG's parents also mentioned that she had previously interned for that company, so I presume her college address was on file with them.

My gut says it is more likely someone who either lives in the Moscow area or at least within easy driving distance as I'd expect this quadruple homicide perpetrator to have greater familiarity with the district around the university than someone who had never visited and/or was coming from multiple states away.

 

[lissaelle]

Yeah, also important to note that in small towns -- college or not -- middle age and older townies go to the same bars as the 20-somethings. Not something weird or alarming, just a normal occurrence in smaller towns. Not as many places to gather, and you'll have all types of generations intermixing and mingling among each other, although not as common for them to be mingling with each other, although it definitely happens.

Anyone from a smaller city can confirm this haha. I am from a town about twice the size of Moscow and you'd have 21 year olds sitting next to a 70 year old at a bar.

You think?

I grew up in a small college town and I would avoid 99% of the bars there simply because they’re college bars lol. There’s one I’ve never even stepped foot in. I actually go to a different town for bars.

Guess it totally depends on the town and the person.

 

[willyengland]

They can tell a lot about the knife at autopsy due to how it cut skin and how it precisely cut. They can get very specific!

Yes, but do you think that they released that info to the public?

 

[LaloSalamanca]

Two things could have happened: this was premeditated because KG was in town that weekend or Something happened at the frat house with EC & XK and law enforcement is on the hush hush about it

 

[citizen_sleuth]

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