ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[katydid23]

Then there's this article http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/grandma-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/ where Clegg (the grandmother) states “My dad was standing their watching him and he turned his head and then (Deorr) was gone,”

So.... grandpa/great-grandpa who was at the camp thought he was with the parents who weren't at the camp, but he was also watching him and when he turned around Deorr was gone?

HUH??? How exactly does that happen?

Oh NOOO. That is exactly how kids get lost. Great-grandpa is sitting by the fire pit drinking coffee when the parents say ' we are going to the lake, will you keep an eye on the baby?' G-Grandpa says SURE, but doesnt hear exactly what they said. They all walk away and leave the little guy with G-grandpa, who does not realize he is the sole caretaker. He goes into the tent and suddenly the 2 yr old is all alone.

I think it is possible that someone wandered past and saw an opportunity. If they saw a toddler standing alone, no adults around. In a remote location like that, BAM----child is gone.

 

[ninij9]

Heartbroken Parents of Missing 2-year-old: “We’ll find you, son”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/heartbroken-parents-of-missing-2-year-old-well-find-you-son/

I think dad did a good job, he was composed and got his message out there. I didn't care for how mom kept side glancing at dad every time she spoke, got my attention a little. When I watch these parent interviews, I think of Hannah Grahams parents. I know everyone handles these things differently, but Hannah's mom looked like she would puke or faint. Kept closing her eyes, I was devastated for them. Here the parents don't seem do panicked. Why do they feel he's safe, they said they have no idea who would take him. How close are the campsites to each other? Did they contact everyone that was camping there?

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[Aeronomy]

I think dad did a good job, he was composed and got his message out there. I didn't care for how mom kept side glancing at dad every time she spoke, got my attention a little. When I watch these parent interviews, I think of Hannah Grahams parents. I know everyone handles these things differently, but Hannah's mom looked like she would puke or faint. Kept closing her eyes, I was devastated for them. Here the parents don't seem do panicked. Why do they feel he's safe, they said they have no idea who would take him. How close are the campsites to each other? Did they contact everyone that was camping there?

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Things both of them did got my attention, but I still can't wrap my head around why they'd say they think he's safe. Everyone responds differently, but I'm stuck in the mindset of most parents thinking the worst and hoping for the best.

I hope he is found soon wherever he may be!!!

 

[hisjerseygirl]

I think dad did a good job, he was composed and got his message out there. I didn't care for how mom kept side glancing at dad every time she spoke, got my attention a little. When I watch these parent interviews, I think of Hannah Grahams parents. I know everyone handles these things differently, but Hannah's mom looked like she would puke or faint. Kept closing her eyes, I was devastated for them. Here the parents don't seem do panicked. Why do they feel he's safe, they said they have no idea who would take him. How close are the campsites to each other? Did they contact everyone that was camping there?

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definitely agree that I don't like parents saying they feel he's safe.... if my child was missing or they "think" he got abducted, I'd be out of my mind. ugh.

 

[ninij9]

Things both of them did got my attention, but I still can't wrap my head around why they'd say they think he's safe. Everyone responds differently, but I'm stuck in the mindset of most parents thinking the worst and hoping for the best.

I hope he is found soon wherever he may be!!!

Guys, I wouldn't be able to stand upright if that was my little guy. My husband would be very agitated also. I don't know how we would appear to others, but we wouldn't be calm. Heck, I think I'd still be at the camp site, maybe for a year. Im not kidding either!

definitely agree that I don't like parents saying they feel he's safe.... if my child was missing or they "think" he got abducted, I'd be out of my mind. ugh.

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[katydid23]

Guys, I wouldn't be able to stand upright if that was my little guy. My husband would be very agitated also. I don't know how we would appear to others, but we wouldn't be calm. Heck, I think I'd still be at the camp site, maybe for a year. Im not kidding either!

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To be fair to them, I have to say that we don't always know how we will react in times of severe stress like this. My good friend found a note from her 15 yr old daughter---saying GOODBYE---she was running away to find her estranged father in San Francisco. She planned to hitch hike. And she left her cell and her wallet at home, and left in the middle of the night.

All of the worst images and fears were flooding her mind. Thinking of her beautiful daughter, who looked about 13, hitching at night on the 101 north of LA.

My friend was useless at first---crying inconsolably in a heap on the floor. But within an hour or so she rallied, became cool calm and collected and began getting things done. We made calls and did internet searches and went and made fliers and she seemed 'fine' for the next week or so. I knew she was all jelly inside, but others thought she was very strong and calm. [ luckily her daughter was found safe hiding at a friends house, weeks later]

 

[ninij9]

To be fair to them, I have to say that we don't always know how we will react in times of severe stress like this. My good friend found a note from her 15 yr old daughter---saying GOODBYE---she was running away to find her estranged father in San Francisco. She planned to hitch hike. And she left her cell and her wallet at home, and left in the middle of the night.

All of the worst images and fears were flooding her mind. Thinking of her beautiful daughter, who looked about 13, hitching at night on the 101 north of LA.

My friend was useless at first---crying inconsolably in a heap on the floor. But within an hour or so she rallied, became cool calm and collected and began getting things done. We made calls and did internet searches and went and made fliers and she seemed 'fine' for the next week or so. I knew she was all jelly inside, but others thought she was very strong and calm. [ luckily her daughter was found safe hiding at a friends house, weeks later]

You have a great point. I really should be careful in judging by watching them. It is a horrible event. I can't help though trying to understand people based on my own experiences. I truly hope that this baby was grabbed by a desperate woman and will be found.

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[ClaireNC]

I'm glad the family is doing something to bring attention to the fact that DeOrr is missing. Though it did seem like there was something odd about the interview. The insinuating that there could be somebody that took him as a way to hurt one of the parents. The sideways glances she did towards him, and he seemed to talk over her like he was afraid she would say something wrong. However, those things could be just the way they are reacting to the stress.

I once "lost" my daughter in a clothing store for about 2 minutes. She was hiding under a rack of clothes. I still remember that panicked feeling and that was over 20 years ago. My heart goes out to the family. Hoping they can stay strong.

 

[Jules71]

That interview was just odd. The insinuating that there could be somebody that took him as a way to hurt one of the parents. The sideways glances she did towards him, and he seemed to talk over her like he was afraid she would say something wrong.

On the other hand, I'm glad they are doing something to get the word out.

Mom saying "we don't care how long it takes" stood out to me but she just may not have really known what to say. I noticed him talking over her too but some people are just like that. I don't think I'd be able to leave the campsite.

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[katydid23]

On the KFI News radio FB, it says the searchers were not able to pick up the child's scent away from the campsite. And that is maybe why the search was called off or postponed. So I think the parents are looking for a 'reason' for that lack of a tracking scent. It's like they are reaching for an explanation?

 

[Elainera]

Then there's this article http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/grandma-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/ where Clegg (the grandmother) states “My dad was standing their watching him and he turned his head and then (Deorr) was gone,”

So.... grandpa/great-grandpa who was at the camp thought he was with the parents who weren't at the camp, but he was also watching him and when he turned around Deorr was gone?

HUH??? How exactly does that happen?

This might just be bad/wrong reporting. Seen it in many cases. In the beginning the media is always contradicting itself. We have to wait until we here it from a more official source what actually happened.


What could have happened is that both parents and grandparents were at the camp. Grandpa was in charge to watch little Deorr. He looked away for a second and Deorr disappeared. He assumes he must have run to his parents, who were somewhere else at the campside. This led to them both saying they thought Deorr is with the other. They only later realized that that was the moment he must have disappeared. jmo

 

[Elainera]

Around the 2:15 mark . . . are they insinuating someone they know that doesn't like them took their son?? But they stated they didn't see anyone else there . . . and had previously stated the area was so small you couldn't not see Deorr if he were there.
So if someone really did abduct him, then certainly that person would have been seen . . . right?

I agree with others, this does not look good :-(

The parents believe he is okay??? Maybe that's how they're coping, but FWIW, if my son were missing in the woods, I would NOT think he was okay!!! Something would be VERY WRONG and he obviously would NOT be OKAY if he were 2 years old and somewhere without his parents.

It's a natural coping mechanism for strong emotions. Totally normal to think like that. My husband does it every time when he's scared something might have happened. Don't think less of them, they are in shock and their system is trying to keep their head over water by believing in a positive outcome. Otherwise they'd collapse. And what good would that do?

 

[Aeronomy]

It's a natural coping mechanism for strong emotions. Totally normal to think like that. My husband does it every time when he's scared something might have happened. Don't think less of them, they are in shock and their system is trying to keep their head over water by believing in a positive outcome. Otherwise they'd collapse. And what good would that do?

I feel the need to clarify that I don't think less of them.

It is the combination of what they believe and semantically how the word believe seems more interchangeable with what they think rather than what they hope. In the video interview with the parents it was stated:

They believe he's safe.
They believe he is NOT on the mountain.
They believe he was abducted.

It just seems a bit mismatched to me.

 

[Aeronomy]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

Here's a link to the uncut raw video of the interview with the parents of Deorr Kunz.

 

[ClaireNC]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

Here's a link to the uncut raw video of the interview with the parents of Deorr Kunz.

Oh that long uncut video is heartbreaking. The editing did not do them justice. They seem very sincere and the "oddness" I mentioned above is not as evident. They seem like such kind, likable people. My heart goes out to them.

 

[Aeronomy]

Oh that long uncut video is heartbreaking. The editing did not do them justice. They seem very sincere and the "oddness" I mentioned above is not as evident. They seem like such kind, likable people. My heart goes out to them.

I agree. I wish I would have seen the uncut video first.

 

[Elainera]

I'm sorry Aeronomy, I didn't mean to accuse you of anything. Sorry if it came across like that. I meant to say it more in general, to everyone who wonders why parents say what they say in these kinds of situations - because they're trying to cope, they're trying to keep their head above water, and 'thinking positive' helps with that.

I watched the unedited interview - my spontaneous thoughts are

- the mother looks very sad, scared, but also angry and defensive (face, body language)
- they seem very happy/satisfied with LE's response and actions
- they hope that he's with someone (abducted) because it's a slightly more hopeful scenario than him lying dead somewhere
- one reason why they doubt he wandered off is because he usually doesn't go anywhere without his blanket, his monkey and something else (cup?), which is a valid point I think
- yes the father seems to be the dominant one of the two (at least verbally) but he seems very sincere as well

 

[katydid23]

This is one of the sad cases where I don't have suspicions about the family. I think this sweet boy toddled away or was nabbed in a small window of unfortunate opportunity. I can only hope and pray that it is a family that wanted a baby and felt 'justified' because the baby was not being tended to. :candle:

 

[Elainera]

Oh that long uncut video is heartbreaking. The editing did not do them justice. They seem very sincere and the "oddness" I mentioned above is not as evident. They seem like such kind, likable people. My heart goes out to them.

Yes I feel the same.

 

[Aeronomy]

Around the 7:15 mark is mention of a child matching his description coming into a store crying. If the store clerk was correct in the timeframe, then could that have been Deorr? And if so, who would have been with him? This would have been after the 911 call and the search for him was underway.