ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[Jules71]

I am still having trouble with Grandpa's version of events. He tells his wife that he looked away.-then looked back and Deorr 'had vanished.' But he told the Dad that he thought Deorr had gone to them.

So in EITHER of those cases, wouldn't a grandfather call out for help? Call out the child's name---the parent's names---begin walking to them to see if the baby was safe?

If the parents were just 50 yards away, and Grandpa began screaming for them, wouldn't they hear him?

Or did Grandpa just shrug and open a beer when the baby vanished? I don't get it. :sigh:

We haven't heard great grandpa's version of events, have we? We heard dad's and we read Jessica's mom's version. (She is not grandpas wife, she is Jessica's mom.) She wasn't there so either someone told her or she assumed.

ETA: I think when he didn't see the boy he assumed he went after mom and dad. I don't think grandpa knew he was "missing" until dad got back and asked where he was.

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[TeganJeff]

I feel like the discrepancy between whether he was missing for an hour or whether it was 20 minutes they searched for him is between mom and dad. In the 911 call at 2:36 mom says he's been missing an hour.

Was it dad who said they searched for 20 mins before he took off a half mile down the road to call. Dad also said in the interview it was just before 2 when they went to explore. So counting back an hour from 2:36 would be 1:36 that they noticed him missing (according to Jessica). But they didn't go to explore until just before 2 (according to Dad). If you count back 20 mins of searching and then exploring for 10 mins that would put the time about 2:06 they went to explore. So that matches Dad's accounts but not mom's.

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Honestly, I think maybe she wasn't clear on how long it really was. I know I've had a scare like that before and the time my child was missing and being searched for seemed waaay longer than the actual amount of time. This was all still new to her at the time and she was probably in shock.


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[travelbug]

The video is ODD. People have all sorts of reactions to tragedy, but becoming BFFs with Sheriff Dave is not one I've seen before. Dad is super impressed with LE/SAR.

Yep, I get the feeling dad wants LE to have warm and trusting feelings toward him. I also think, based upon his mentioning that you could see right down in to the reservoir from the top of the road and his insistence Deorr has been abducted, that he is doing everything possible to keep SAR from checking the reservoir. jmho

 

[katydid23]

We haven't heard great grandpa's version of events, have we? We heard dad's and we read Jessica's mom's version. (She is not grandpas wife, she is Jessica's mom.) She wasn't there so either someone told her or she assumed.

ETA: I think when he didn't see the boy he assumed he went after mom and dad. I don't think grandpa knew he was "missing" until dad got back and asked where he was.

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But my question is 'how do you assume a 2 yr old went after his parents' and found them? How do you assume a toddler is safe when he vanishes from sight in a campground? I just don't understand that. Maybe a 13 yr old would be trusted to find his parents by the creek. Or perhaps even a 8 or 9 yr old if they knew the trail. BUT A 2 YEAR OLD? :no:

 

[Jules71]

But my question is 'how do you assume a 2 yr old went after his parents' and found them? How do you assume a toddler is safe when he vanishes from sight in a campground? I just don't understand that. Maybe a 13 yr old would be trusted to find his parents by the creek. Or perhaps even a 8 or 9 yr old if they knew the trail. BUT A 2 YEAR OLD? :no:

I agree. I wouldn't even feel comfortable camping there so close to the creek with a child that age. I'd have to have my hands on him the whole time.

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[LayzeeDayzee]

Not saying this is the case here, but his more than glowing praised about the Sheriff, LE, S&R could be a conscious or subconscious attempt to "butter them up" in hopes that it would make it harder for them to suspect any foul play on the part of the family. Not saying this would work at all but perhaps in the mind of someone with something to hide the saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" could come into play. Like hoping if you rave on and on about how great the Sheriff is, Sheriff will be so grateful and flattered that it will somehow look at Dad/family in a more positive light.

I dunno. Just seems odd to me, your little boy is missing x 5 days and there is not so much as a trace/clue/hint of him........and you're going to glorify those in charge of finding him, so profusely? Seems like overkill to me, or 'laying it on too thick' for some reason.

Just trying to put myself into the shoes of parents who's little one has gone missing in this type of scenario. While I would be ever grateful to those who have worked so hard to help search, after 5 days and finding NOTHING, I would not be able to have any peace for I'd worry if somehow "someone" missed something.

I initially wasn't able to view the entire extended version of the interview w/ parents....but have been able to now. The tears welling up in the Dad's eyes, at the end, do seem very real and heartfelt.

On the other hand, I found it frustrating that toward the end of that interview when the poor Mom was pleading, in the event that someone had taken her little boy, for them to please just drop him off somewhere, anywhere.....like a store, or a place where someone would find him and then get him back home....well Dad kept talking over her and trying to change the subject........I found that odd. What she was saying was important (in the event that he'd been abducted, however I don't believe he has been)...but Dad just kept piping up and interrupting her. Very odd. Strange dynamics between the 2 of them? Perhaps he's used to doing all of the talking and she usually just has little to say because he does all of the talking.

One thing to add........in one of the more recent intereviews with the Sheriff, where he says that the parents have been cooperative and he has no problems with them and they have no problems with him..............this may be true, it may not be. It wouldn't be the first time that LE lead a missing child's parents to believe that they were not in anyway suspects when behind the scenes, they were being watched and investigated.

Oh and another thing (lol)........based on the media video showing the reporter driving into the campground, showing the rough gravel road into there, given that the campground does seem more on the remote side, I really find it impossible to believe that anyone would have abducted this little boy. Not exactly a location for a quick getaway, IMO.

Has it been reported how many other campers were there at the campground at the time this family was there/the little boy went missing? I understand that this isn't the type of campground where campers have to register, but even LE would have quickly been able to figure out how many other campers were there?

Was there only one way in/out of this campground?...........just the one road?

When the call came in that he was missing, did LE quickly set up a checkpoint on the road going into/out of the campground to interview people coming and going? Though perhaps that wouldn't have mattered, IF it's true that in actuality this little boy had been missing for an HOUR before LE had been called.

If it had been an hour............did the parents calculate that period of an hour from the time they allegedly left the campsite to go on their walk, to the time they returned, found he was missing, did their 20-30 minute search and then called 911?

The video is ODD. People have all sorts of reactions to tragedy, but becoming BFFs with Sheriff Dave is not one I've seen before. Dad is super impressed with LE/SAR.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

I think all the praising of the search teams, sheriff etc, is just a branch to hold onto...the more they can focus on how wonderful everyone is, how much they're dong and how well they're doing it-they don't have to focus on their missing little boy-and they can keep hoping-as in, these guys are so good, they will find him. JMO

 

[pappa rob]

I am sure that if what has been alleged is true, that the little boy was in the great grandfather's care when he went missing, I'm sure they're beyond devastated...........and depending on their age and health, could really take a toll on them........but it's odd that if the GGF was truly the last family member to see him, well surely people are going to want to speak to him?



I agree!! What stood out to me in the extended interview, was how overly-complimentary the Dad was about the various members of search and rescue, the crew in the chopper, LE, etc. It just seemed such an odd focus for the Dad of a missing little boy, to go on and on and on like this. If anything I would ?expect a lot of parents in a similar situation to be fearful that LE/S&R/searchers had maybe somehow 'missed something' because, afterall, how does a small little boy like that in such a reportedly (by Dad) safe/isolated, rather encapsulated area just disappear so quickly when help was there to search for him so quickly?

This is just my opinion, obviously, but I almost get the impression that he's trying to steer things away from his son being somewhere "out there", maybe in hopes that child won't be found, for unknown nefarious reasons?

Also, with regard to the person in the background, the female voice we hear mentioning quite adamantly that something about the "EMT bag needs to be addressed" and it seems to me that Dad was pretty quick to shut that down.

Now..........what sounded like "EMT bag", could also be "EMPTY bag." Say both out loud, they both sound very much alike. "Empty bag" would make a lot more sense than "EMT bag."

Do we know how old great grandfather is?....and what kind of physical condition he's in, particularly in terms of hearing/mobility? Would he have been someone agile and vision/hearing acute enough to really keep a good close eye on a curious and quick little boy?

Also........what is sound like in this area, in terms of echo, sound carrying.................meaning, if the little boy had wandered some distance away and was, God forbid, attacked by a mountain lion or other animal, would one not expect to hear his panicked cries/screams for quite a ways?

BBM
Most times even an adult will not have time to scream or do much of anything unless they are actively looking out for it. When a big cat's there they hide until the last moment then grab what they're after. A child that age wouldn't have a chance to make a sound.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

Because of the posts here, I looked up the Noah Thomas case - I saw video of the parents off a bit 'to the left' looking at the camera, and I saw a vigil video, but it didn't look like the parents attended (but they did have a 6 mo old to take for then, right?). Did the Thomas' parents ever give a press conference? I saw at their 1st appearance before a judge they both objected (unsuccessfully) to press presence and said in nutshell, 'I/we don't want our live to be on tv.'

I think of lovely, painful, poignantly lovely IMO Mark Klauss (dad of Polly), and the John & former Mrs. Walsh, and here in Minn., the awful Jacob Wetterling kidnapping & prob' horrible things done to that little boy....

My impression of these parents if this:
1.) I SURE HOPE AND TRUST THE freakin' sheriff has got polygraphs done on both parents, and I would like publicly to know the results.
2.) My impression of the dad was that he seemed like a 10-11 y old male who'd just gone to some 'thriller' movie, even perhaps a 3-D movie like they do at the big science museums, and the movie was about the ability of helicopter gizmos to pinpoint even a little can of bug spray from xxxxx feet above - WOW ! WOW ! And thrill that one of the helicopter search&rescue persons leaned his head out the helicopter opening to look and see if he could see the little boy anywhere - WOW ! WOW !
3.) About the dad saying how he didn't like the rumor that 'his trucker boss had let him go' (for not returning to work), of course, that seemed like a bizarro concern, BUT those 2 reporters (the one on the right, and one OR PERHAPS MORE) off 'to the left' and not fully caught on audio, kept pushing and pushing and pushing on that dad about 'rumors' - on and on - IMO, that was just the reporters all 'baiting' the immature dad.
4.) Why is the world would gramps NOT be named? I do NOT understand that one bit. For instance, if gramps had a background of being a 'Bill Cosby' or something, the sheriff should just name the guy. Or, if gramps had some scary heart condition and could croak at any stress, you still name the guy, but tell gramps not to watch tv and even have gramps go 'get out of Dodge' so that he's removed from the scene and is totally removed from the stress of having reporters stalking him. Somebody please explain that to me - tyia.... ??
5.) I found it odd about dad going on and on about the people looking, and NO WAY was the child in that area - IMPOSSIBLE. I chalk that up to the dad seeming to have the maturity of a 10 y old IMO - 'it is what it is' - I am NOT criticizing that dad (OR mom) AND DEFINITELY NOT ACCUSING EITHER OF THEM - just commenting on what I observe.
6.) I found it odd all the inconsistencies in the 'versions' of what happened (just one e.g., dad saying '20 min.' and mom '1 hr.', another e.g., 'who was where'), so that makes me wonder if social science has studied and found that persons under stress like that could get the incident details so very jumbled???? I just want to know what social science has found - it seemed very odd. But, again, the part about dad IMO even boasting at how smart he was to drive down the slope to be sure he got 'more than one bar' on his cell phone just seemed to reflect maturity and thinking of a 10 y old boasting how brilliant he was to 'think to do such a brilliant thing!!'
7.) The mom was so quiet in that 15 min. interview, I couldn't get a feel for her personality, level of maturity. On the 911 call of hers, she made complete sense. One thing it appears (but this could be wrong) is that the mom and dad seem genuinely close and not 'heated' between themselves, so mom must have some personality, I am guessing, such that she enjoys listening to her hubby yap on and on in IMO 10 y old level of excitement and thrill at things.
8.) IMO these sure seem like loving parents, the sort who do a dang good job as parents, to the best of their abilities - attentive to that little boy's needs, knowing it's 'his naptime' soon, giving their little rambunctious 2 y old such a thrilling time to get to go camping like that.
9.) I imagine those parents talked over whether it would be a safe place for the 2 y old, and I bet they thought: Hey, we have SO many adults present at all times, and all love the 2 y old and are attentive to his needs, we'll ALL keep our eyes on the 2 y old at all times, and, oh, the 2 y old typically does NOT wander off alone (no history of that with that little tot) but tends to like to be around his mom and dad like a baby duck. AND go see the video of that particular campsite - I can see how one would think 'our campside is up a hill, and it's like a big lawn-mowed square teensy park - - we can see our kid at all times - there's no where for this kid to go - all will be fine.'
10.) Yes, I find it wierd dad going 'kid's DEFINITELY not here', but I chalk that up to dad having a sort of mental and emotional sophistication of a 10 y old.
11.) I found the sheriff to be kinda Barney Fife'ish over the whole deal, 'Nah, parents are totally okey dokey to me - I've put my 'A-OK Parents!' rubber stamp on 'em.
12.) I think the 911 operator is the voice of reason in this: Her 1st question to mom was 'Are you near water?''............

 

[ClaireNC]

I agree that some parts of the interview were odd, with dad rambling on and speaking over mom, but think of the context of the interview itself. I get the impression that one of the main goals of the interview was to put some rumors to rest. At the time the news was reporting that the search was called off and would not resume for a week. People were commenting pretty heavily on this in social media. Demanding that the search continue, etc. So some of dad's rambling on about the sheriff and search team being so wonderful might be because he was givin direction to address those rumors.

While dad came across as a bit arrogant and possibly even guilty about something in the way he rambled, that could be his reaction to stress. He might actually be very uncomfortable speaking in front of the camera and over compensates by rambling. What we see as him talking over the mom, might be his way of protecting her. I know I tend to ramble when I am nervous speaking in front of a group of people. Some people are like that.

I agree that dad seems immature as mentioned above. Combine that with nervousness and it could explain some of the dynamics of the interview.

Also, while I don't think mom and dad caused his disappearance, they are probably feeling guilt that they took their eyes off of him and he disappeared. Maybe mom and dad slipped away for some private time, to smoke a joint or have sex in the woods, while little DeOrr was having some down time back at the camp. So the quilt we are perceiving could be due to activities that are a little on the wild side. I personally don't see anything wrong with two adults smoking a joint or having sex in the woods, but society as a whole might not see it that way. And if that is the case, they should have made sure the baby was sound asleep and zipped into a tent with great grandpa camped in a chair directly in front of the door.

I'm not saying this is what happened, just putting it out there as something to think about. There is so much we don't know about what happened that there might be a lot more factors in play.

 

[hisjerseygirl]

Because of the posts here, I looked up the Noah Thomas case - I saw video of the parents off a bit 'to the left' looking at the camera, and I saw a vigil video, but it didn't look like the parents attended (but they did have a 6 mo old to take for then, right?). Did the Thomas' parents ever give a press conference? I saw at their 1st appearance before a judge they both objected (unsuccessfully) to press presence and said in nutshell, 'I/we don't want our live to be on tv.'

I think of lovely, painful, poignantly lovely IMO Mark Klauss (dad of Polly), and the John & former Mrs. Walsh, and here in Minn., the awful Jacob Wetterling kidnapping & prob' horrible things done to that little boy....

My impression of these parents if this:
1.) I SURE HOPE AND TRUST THE freakin' sheriff has got polygraphs done on both parents, and I would like publicly to know the results.
2.) My impression of the dad was that he seemed like a 10-11 y old male who'd just gone to some 'thriller' movie, even perhaps a 3-D movie like they do at the big science museums, and the movie was about the ability of helicopter gizmos to pinpoint even a little can of bug spray from xxxxx feet above - WOW ! WOW ! And thrill that one of the helicopter search&rescue persons leaned his head out the helicopter opening to look and see if he could see the little boy anywhere - WOW ! WOW !
3.) About the dad saying how he didn't like the rumor that 'his trucker boss had let him go' (for not returning to work), of course, that seemed like a bizarro concern, BUT those 2 reporters (the one on the right, and one OR PERHAPS MORE) off 'to the left' and not fully caught on audio, kept pushing and pushing and pushing on that dad about 'rumors' - on and on - IMO, that was just the reporters all 'baiting' the immature dad.
4.) Why is the world would gramps NOT be named? I do NOT understand that one bit. For instance, if gramps had a background of being a 'Bill Cosby' or something, the sheriff should just name the guy. Or, if gramps had some scary heart condition and could croak at any stress, you still name the guy, but tell gramps not to watch tv and even have gramps go 'get out of Dodge' so that he's removed from the scene and is totally removed from the stress of having reporters stalking him. Somebody please explain that to me - tyia.... ??
5.) I found it odd about dad going on and on about the people looking, and NO WAY was the child in that area - IMPOSSIBLE. I chalk that up to the dad seeming to have the maturity of a 10 y old IMO - 'it is what it is' - I am NOT criticizing that dad (OR mom) AND DEFINITELY NOT ACCUSING EITHER OF THEM - just commenting on what I observe.
6.) I found it odd all the inconsistencies in the 'versions' of what happened (just one e.g., dad saying '20 min.' and mom '1 hr.', another e.g., 'who was where'), so that makes me wonder if social science has studied and found that persons under stress like that could get the incident details so very jumbled???? I just want to know what social science has found - it seemed very odd. But, again, the part about dad IMO even boasting at how smart he was to drive down the slope to be sure he got 'more than one bar' on his cell phone just seemed to reflect maturity and thinking of a 10 y old boasting how brilliant he was to 'think to do such a brilliant thing!!'
7.) The mom was so quiet in that 15 min. interview, I couldn't get a feel for her personality, level of maturity. On the 911 call of hers, she made complete sense. One thing it appears (but this could be wrong) is that the mom and dad seem genuinely close and not 'heated' between themselves, so mom must have some personality, I am guessing, such that she enjoys listening to her hubby yap on and on in IMO 10 y old level of excitement and thrill at things.
8.) IMO these sure seem like loving parents, the sort who do a dang good job as parents, to the best of their abilities - attentive to that little boy's needs, knowing it's 'his naptime' soon, giving their little rambunctious 2 y old such a thrilling time to get to go camping like that.
9.) I imagine those parents talked over whether it would be a safe place for the 2 y old, and I bet they thought: Hey, we have SO many adults present at all times, and all love the 2 y old and are attentive to his needs, we'll ALL keep our eyes on the 2 y old at all times, and, oh, the 2 y old typically does NOT wander off alone (no history of that with that little tot) but tends to like to be around his mom and dad like a baby duck. AND go see the video of that particular campsite - I can see how one would think 'our campside is up a hill, and it's like a big lawn-mowed square teensy park - - we can see our kid at all times - there's no where for this kid to go - all will be fine.'
10.) Yes, I find it wierd dad going 'kid's DEFINITELY not here', but I chalk that up to dad having a sort of mental and emotional sophistication of a 10 y old.
11.) I found the sheriff to be kinda Barney Fife'ish over the whole deal, 'Nah, parents are totally okey dokey to me - I've put my 'A-OK Parents!' rubber stamp on 'em.
12.) I think the 911 operator is the voice of reason in this: Her 1st question to mom was 'Are you near water?''............

VERY goods points here.

 

[Andie11]

I was wondering if maybe the boy and the GGrandpa were both napping, and the parents thought they'd be fine for just a few minutes while they "explored." Or maybe the boy was sleeping and the grandpa was sitting in a chair, and dozed for a minute. When the boy awakened, he tried to find his parents.

 

[Inthedetails]

The video is ODD. People have all sorts of reactions to tragedy, but becoming BFFs with Sheriff Dave is not one I've seen before. Dad is super impressed with LE/SAR.

It might be gratitude. When I was in a tragic situation (nothing like this, but tragic to me nonetheless), I was completely and utterly overwhelmed with emotion by the slightest kindness shown to me by anyone. Perhaps we're seeing vulnerable emotions like that.

I still have many questions, though. JMO.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Because of the posts here, I looked up the Noah Thomas case - I saw video of the parents off a bit 'to the left' looking at the camera, and I saw a vigil video, but it didn't look like the parents attended (but they did have a 6 mo old to take for then, right?). Did the Thomas' parents ever give a press conference? I saw at their 1st appearance before a judge they both objected (unsuccessfully) to press presence and said in nutshell, 'I/we don't want our live to be on tv.'

I think of lovely, painful, poignantly lovely IMO Mark Klauss (dad of Polly), and the John & former Mrs. Walsh, and here in Minn., the awful Jacob Wetterling kidnapping & prob' horrible things done to that little boy....

My impression of these parents if this:
1.) I SURE HOPE AND TRUST THE freakin' sheriff has got polygraphs done on both parents, and I would like publicly to know the results.
2.) My impression of the dad was that he seemed like a 10-11 y old male who'd just gone to some 'thriller' movie, even perhaps a 3-D movie like they do at the big science museums, and the movie was about the ability of helicopter gizmos to pinpoint even a little can of bug spray from xxxxx feet above - WOW ! WOW ! And thrill that one of the helicopter search&rescue persons leaned his head out the helicopter opening to look and see if he could see the little boy anywhere - WOW ! WOW !
3.) About the dad saying how he didn't like the rumor that 'his trucker boss had let him go' (for not returning to work), of course, that seemed like a bizarro concern, BUT those 2 reporters (the one on the right, and one OR PERHAPS MORE) off 'to the left' and not fully caught on audio, kept pushing and pushing and pushing on that dad about 'rumors' - on and on - IMO, that was just the reporters all 'baiting' the immature dad.
4.) Why is the world would gramps NOT be named? I do NOT understand that one bit. For instance, if gramps had a background of being a 'Bill Cosby' or something, the sheriff should just name the guy. Or, if gramps had some scary heart condition and could croak at any stress, you still name the guy, but tell gramps not to watch tv and even have gramps go 'get out of Dodge' so that he's removed from the scene and is totally removed from the stress of having reporters stalking him. Somebody please explain that to me - tyia.... ??
5.) I found it odd about dad going on and on about the people looking, and NO WAY was the child in that area - IMPOSSIBLE. I chalk that up to the dad seeming to have the maturity of a 10 y old IMO - 'it is what it is' - I am NOT criticizing that dad (OR mom) AND DEFINITELY NOT ACCUSING EITHER OF THEM - just commenting on what I observe.
6.) I found it odd all the inconsistencies in the 'versions' of what happened (just one e.g., dad saying '20 min.' and mom '1 hr.', another e.g., 'who was where'), so that makes me wonder if social science has studied and found that persons under stress like that could get the incident details so very jumbled???? I just want to know what social science has found - it seemed very odd. But, again, the part about dad IMO even boasting at how smart he was to drive down the slope to be sure he got 'more than one bar' on his cell phone just seemed to reflect maturity and thinking of a 10 y old boasting how brilliant he was to 'think to do such a brilliant thing!!'
7.) The mom was so quiet in that 15 min. interview, I couldn't get a feel for her personality, level of maturity. On the 911 call of hers, she made complete sense. One thing it appears (but this could be wrong) is that the mom and dad seem genuinely close and not 'heated' between themselves, so mom must have some personality, I am guessing, such that she enjoys listening to her hubby yap on and on in IMO 10 y old level of excitement and thrill at things.
8.) IMO these sure seem like loving parents, the sort who do a dang good job as parents, to the best of their abilities - attentive to that little boy's needs, knowing it's 'his naptime' soon, giving their little rambunctious 2 y old such a thrilling time to get to go camping like that.
9.) I imagine those parents talked over whether it would be a safe place for the 2 y old, and I bet they thought: Hey, we have SO many adults present at all times, and all love the 2 y old and are attentive to his needs, we'll ALL keep our eyes on the 2 y old at all times, and, oh, the 2 y old typically does NOT wander off alone (no history of that with that little tot) but tends to like to be around his mom and dad like a baby duck. AND go see the video of that particular campsite - I can see how one would think 'our campside is up a hill, and it's like a big lawn-mowed square teensy park - - we can see our kid at all times - there's no where for this kid to go - all will be fine.'
10.) Yes, I find it wierd dad going 'kid's DEFINITELY not here', but I chalk that up to dad having a sort of mental and emotional sophistication of a 10 y old.
11.) I found the sheriff to be kinda Barney Fife'ish over the whole deal, 'Nah, parents are totally okey dokey to me - I've put my 'A-OK Parents!' rubber stamp on 'em.
12.) I think the 911 operator is the voice of reason in this: Her 1st question to mom was 'Are you near water?''............

bbm, Noah's parents never spoke with the media. Noah's sister was removed from the home the day after he went missing and has been placed with an aunt who is a nurse.

 

[teeandcee]

Inthedetails, I've had a similar experience and similar reaction. Nothing as horrible as this, but you do cling to that kindness when you're feeling so incredibly vulnerable. That's what I've been assuming his reaction is.

I haven't watched the whole interview yet, but the dad almost seemed like he was making a joke when he said at the beginning "I don't even know what day is it!" That seemed suspicious to me. He did seem nervous but I chalked that up to being on TV.

But, if someone saw them they would immediately recognize they were dirty from playing and not from neglect.

I don't have children, but a dirty neglected child stands out for me vs. just a dirty child. There's a huge difference. Even a clean-but-neglected child is obvious. There's something different about them.

The fact that the search was dialed back and cadaver dogs brought in so quickly tells me that LE suspects something is not quite right with the story they've been told. jmho

I agree. Again, good point. The two hits on the reservoir are very concerning.

 

[iamnotagolem]

How long after the 911 call was placed until LE showed up at camp? What did Jessica and Deorr Sr do during this time? What about great grandpa and his friend? Were they still frantically searching until SAR showed up?

 

[audsmommy]

I think they will definitely find him within the next few days -- in the water. I watched the interview several times and I feel like the dad has a lot of guilt that he wasn't able to save his son from getting "lost". Who knows what type of yelling went on between the two of them, blaming each other, when they first discovered he was missing. The dad seems like he is the one to "take care of things" and the wife relies on him. What a terrible situation to be going through.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I think they will definitely find him within the next few days -- in the water. I watched the interview several times and I feel like the dad has a lot of guilt that he wasn't able to save his son from getting "lost". Who knows what type of yelling went on between the two of them, blaming each other, when they first discovered he was missing. The dad seems like he is the one to "take care of things" and the wife relies on him. What a terrible situation to be going through.

I don't know that I necessarily agree that Jessica relies on him, it seems more like he just talks over her and "puts her in her place" a lot. I try not to judge much based on FB pages b/c I know that I don't have tons of pics of my hubby or of him & I together because we are both so horribly unphotogenic it's ridiculous.

I do agree that I think he'll be found in the water, but I'm not convinced he wandered in on his own.

 

[Cardinal47]

It's six days now. Not looking good for the little fellow.

 

[SweetT]

Is this new information? (Forgive me - I have not read every single post in Deorr's thread)



http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/ida...ve-days-after-wandering-away-campsite-n392776

THis would indicate foul play IMO