ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #13

[bessie]

Snipped by me.

Bessie, I can't go with the lower end of the window because the sheriff doesn't define it that way. Wish I could. He gives a time span of 20 to 45 minutes. I'm not sure why you want to make it muddy.

I don't understand. How am I making it muddy?

You quoted the sheriff saying DeOrr was unattended 20-45 minutes. That's a range. He didn't say DeOrr was unattended exactly 45 minutes.

Then you calculated the time using the 45 minute point. I suggested, instead, starting with the opposite end of the range. In other words, suppose he were unattended only 20 minutes rather than 45. Add that to the estimated hour of searching -- which is the same as what you did -- and you come to 2:20 instead of 2:45.

 

[jnblsm]

Do I remember reading somewhere that they couldn't get signal, so they had to drive a bit to place the 911 call?

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[gliving]

I don't understand. How am I making it muddy?

You quoted the sheriff saying DeOrr was missing 20-45 minutes. Then you calculated the time using the 45 minute point. I suggested, instead, starting with the opposite end of the range. In other words, suppose he were missing only 20 minutes rather than 45. Add that to the estimated hour of searching -- which is the same as what you did -- and you come to 2:20 instead of 2:45.

Okay, good. Not how I choose to interpret the facts, but to each their own.

 

[giagreen]

Do I remember reading somewhere that they couldn't get signal, so they had to drive a bit to place the 911 call?

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Yes. The father drove away to make sure he got a signal as mom stayed behind and did manage to make a call. As she was on the phone his call went threw.

 

[ReadySet]

Hmmm. So on one of the Boise news stations on the 10pm news, there was something about Deorr, I didn't hear the whole thing. Showed his picture and a tipline #, I think.
But I can't find anything on either the station's web site or facebook page. Maybe they just haven't put it up yet. Also couldn't find any other msm news about Deorr today. Finally decided the station was just behind in reporting the news from the sherrif's interview a week ago.
But...I think I figured it out. My impression is that there is now a billboard up in Boise about Deorr. Maybe in other places too. That might be what the news story was about.
Here's the link to the news station in case they put up the story.

http://www.kboi2.com/

 

[giagreen]

I don't understand. How am I making it muddy?

You quoted the sheriff saying DeOrr was unattended 20-45 minutes. That's a range. He didn't say DeOrr was unattended exactly 45 minutes.

Then you calculated the time using the 45 minute point. I suggested, instead, starting with the opposite end of the range. In other words, suppose he were missing only 20 minutes rather than 45. Add that to the estimated hour of searching -- which is the same as what you did -- and you come to 2:20 instead of 2:45.

Your not. Or at least I don't think this is muddy. I get it.
The sheriff said 20-45 min.
So that basically means then that what ever fits is most likely.

 

[Rayemonde]

Since the sheriff said the parents were solid and he believed IR was being truthful, I wonder what theory he believes is the most probable?

In the recent pay wall article where the sheriff said he didn't everything right with his search and investigation, the article ends with a quote from the sheriff saying that it's amazing how many disappearances like DeOrr's there are across the country. When I read that I thought oh no, I hope he doesn't believe in any supernatural theories too! Just because someone is LE doesn't mean they can't believe in stuff like that, after all... But then I figured that since most of the article was him defending his search and investigation, maybe he just wanted to point out that it's not uncommon for LE to fail to find out what happened to someone, and it doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

 

[bessie]

Why people believe gossip spread by anonymous strangers on social media, over the word of a sheriff leading an investigation, is beyond me, but at any rate it is against the rules to bring that garbage here.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291123

 

[bessie]

That hour, IMO, would go all the way back to the last moment they saw him (or GGP saw him). The 911 operator asked how long
he'd been missing, not how long they had been looking for him (I just listened to it again). So, maybe that clears up some confusion?

I agree, and thanks for the reminder.

If the parents started their walk near the 2:00 p.m. nap time, say 1:45 p.m.; and the 911 call logged at 2:36 p.m. on mom's phone, that's 51 minutes. In other words, an hour. So she hit pretty close.

The sheriff, I believe, rounded off the end time at 2:30, or 45 minutes. And within that 45 minutes, he tells us DeOrr was unattended from at least 20, to at the very most, 45 minutes.

The actual number of minutes is somewhere within the range, but it's impossible to be exact because no one was recording the time.

 

[pepelepolecat]

DK said they left to go exploring just before 2:00. He said it was 50 yards, she said 10 minutes, from the place/time they last saw Deorr until they realized he was gone. The time stamp on the 911 call is 2:28 - JM said it was 2:36 (which I assume is the time from her phone which could differ from the 911 clock). Based on these statements, the time spent searching for him can't have been an hour...20 minutes seems more likely. I'm not sure why she said an hour during the 911 call - maybe just to get help on the way quickly?

I think the general consensus earlier in the discussion was that it was really "about an hour." 20 minutes = about an hour might be pushing it, but it does fit under the circumstances.

 

[JeauWyte]

Driving to work this morning on the freeway in Boise (opposite side of Idaho from Idaho Falls / Leadore) I actually saw one of those video-type billboards with a missing thing up for Deorr. I haven't seen one up until that point, but it's nice to see they're still trying to bring attention to him.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Driving to work this morning on the freeway in Boise (opposite side of Idaho from Idaho Falls / Leadore) I actually saw one of those video-type billboards with a missing thing up for Deorr. I haven't seen one up until that point, but it's nice to see they're still trying to bring attention to him.

Yep, and I've seen a picture of an actual billboard with his pictures and information on it. Hopefully, things start picking up and moving forward now.

 

[desert-blue]

I agree, and thanks for the reminder.

If the parents started their walk near the 2:00 p.m. nap time, say 1:45 p.m.; and the 911 call logged at 2:36 p.m. on mom's phone, that's 51 minutes. In other words, an hour. So she hit pretty close.

The sheriff, I believe, rounded off the end time at 2:30, or 45 minutes. And within that 45 minutes, he tells us DeOrr was unattended from at least 20, to at the very most, 45 minutes.

The actual number of minutes is somewhere within the range, but it's impossible to be exact because no one was recording the time.

Yes, I think 45-50 minutes could easily be construed as "about an hour." I don't see any issues with this part of the timeline. I do wish we had more information on what they did all morning before leaving around 10:30 or 11:00 to go to the store in Leadore. It troubles me that there was no trace or scent of him found around the campground - I wonder if he spent the morning in the camper with his grandpa? Maybe the camp trailer had a range to cook breakfast?

 

[KYPastTracker]

I found this
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/10/billboards-featuring-deorr-kunz-going-up-across-idaho/

 

[Rayemonde]

Idaho Falls mother Rachel Voss organized the billboard effort. She didn’t know the Kunz family, but said she hasn’t stopped thinking about DeOrr since he disappeared...


DeOrr’s grandmother Trina Clegg, said she and DeOrr’s mother, Jessica Mitchell, spent the last few weekends traveling from Boise to Butte posting and handing out fliers featuring DeOrr’s photo.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/10/billboards-featuring-deorr-kunz-going-up-across-idaho/

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

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Idaho Falls mother Rachel Voss organized the billboard effort. She didn’t know the Kunz family, but said she hasn’t stopped thinking about DeOrr since he disappeared...


DeOrr’s grandmother Trina Clegg, said she and DeOrr’s mother, Jessica Mitchell, spent the last few weekends traveling from Boise to Butte posting and handing out fliers featuring DeOrr’s photo.[\QUOTE]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/10/billboards-featuring-deorr-kunz-going-up-across-idaho/

And this at that same link.

“We appreciate the community support and hope somebody somewhere will see him or come forward with tips that will bring him home,” Clegg said.

But no comments from JM or DK.

 

[ClaireNC]

Yes, I think 45-50 minutes could easily be construed as "about an hour." I don't see any issues with this part of the timeline. I do wish we had more information on what they did all morning before leaving around 10:30 or 11:00 to go to the store in Leadore. It troubles me that there was no trace or scent of him found around the campground - I wonder if he spent the morning in the camper with his grandpa? Maybe the camp trailer had a range to cook breakfast?

I keep seeing references to there being no trace of little Deorr found at the campground, but I don't remember reading that in the media. Can somebody please direct me to the source of that information? There has been so many stories, I'm trying to sort out fact from fiction. Thanks!

 

[desert-blue]

I guess there's not much more to discuss. Unless/until the four POI's are cleared, I have trouble with the abduction theory. I'd also like to hear the first-person accounts of GGP and IR. The billboards could bring in other tips, though, besides abduction, so that's good. More coverage can never be a bad thing, IMO. Hopefully LE will get a tip or a lead or something to go on...

 

[desert-blue]

I keep seeing references to there being no trace of little Deorr found at the campground, but I don't remember reading that in the media. Can somebody please direct me to the source of that information? There has been so many stories, I'm trying to sort out fact from fiction. Thanks!

Here are a few:

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/24/toddler-search-hits-two-weeks-still-no-trace/30624055/
"The search for a missing toddler in Lemhi County has now hit two weeks. The Lemhi County Sheriff's Office says they still have yet to find a trace of 2-year-old DeOrr Kunz Junior."

http://www.localnews8.com/news/Search-for-DeOrr-Kunz-scaled-back/34255568
"Numerous resources, including helicopters, divers, side scan sonar, scent dogs, cadaver dogs, horses, ATVs, and over 300 people on the ground, were used to grid and search the reservoir, the creek, and the hillsides, with absolutely no sign of DeOrr."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/15/deorr-kunz-idaho_n_7801696.html
"We haven't found a thread," Lemhi County Sheriff's Incident Commander Dave Morelli told KTVB.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/07/17/deorr-kunz-missing-family-fear-abducted
“He had little toy hot wheel trucks in his pocket and nothing fell. They found nothing. It’s like he vanished without a trace. He had to have been abducted. The only good thing about being abducted is it means he’s is still alive,” says Kunz.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/20/searches-reservoir-wolf-den-yield-no-clues-in-hunt-for-idaho-toddler/
"We've literally torn that country apart and found absolutely not one clue," Bowerman told FoxNews.com. "We conducted an exhaustive search of the area, which included eight agencies, multiple dog search groups and well over 100 people," he said.

 

[Tricia]

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