PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[PunishThenForgive]

I didn't notice this detail before. HIs sister searched his car?!

The sister reportedly pointed out Kohberger’s proximity to the scene of the murders in Moscow on November 13, 2022 - and had searched his car for clues.

Bryan Kohberger's doting parents listen in silence to evil confession

On Wednesday, Kohberger's parents heard their son's confession for his callous crimes from his own mouth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The first Dateline episode on the Idaho murders discussed the sister being suspicious and IIRC that some of the family members (not just the one sister) searched his car. The same episode also mentioned that BK cleaned his car with bleach and purchased the Ka-bar knife on Amazon.

 

[Cedars]

Bryan Kohberger decided to plead guilty, which set in motion the DAs office to offer a deal? Is that how it worked? If they hadn't taken the death penalty off the table, would BK not have pled guilty? Kaylee's father sounds like it was all in the DAs hands, or the judge's hands, but they can't control what BK decides to plea only the sentence he gets. Can anyone illuminate for me? Thanks.

Plea deals in exchange for taking away the death penalty are pretty common. (in less serious cases some other arrangement is made that reduces the sentence for the accused.)

That's why they are called 'deals'. It is a negotiatation; one side offers this, in exchange for that

It is the defence lawyer's responsibility to negotiate with the prosecutor, to get the best deal they can for their client, though obviously the accused must agree.

 

[HMSHood]

Forgive the subjectivity on this, but as I look at the recordings of BK's face today, I felt like I was looking right right into the face of the murderer as he really is. I haven't had this experience with BK in the past; he has never registered with me in this manner before. Watching him today, even without context or his words, without the "guilty," I saw BK with an entirely different face, and I think that's as close as we can safely come to seeing the face that went to Moscow that night without ending up dead. While it didn't give me chills or anything, I seriously felt like I was looking into the face and eyes of some particularly terrifying strain of madman. (Had a similar sensation once watching a Bundy interview where the reporter said something that Ted evidently didn't like.)

He'd do it again. I feel he'll be safe in prison, but jmo.

RIP Kaylee, Maddie, Ethan and Xana.

Bryan Kohberger has a cold and creepy demeanor. I have seen that with Adam Lanza, Elliot Rodger, Lori Drew, and Mohamed Atta.

 

[snooptroop88]

he is dangerous and is hiding his abusive temper and hatred of women. He should never have women guarding him or escorting him. I think after a while his mask will come off...because prison is going to be mind blowing...and I wonder where he will go? which prison will he be remanded to?

mOO

Did you see his Dec 28 selfie??

Searches and selfies: Idaho college murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's online habits emerge in new details

Digital materials and documents obtained by "Dateline" track the suspect's movements before and after four University of Idaho students were killed in 2022.

www.nbcnews.com

NBC was the first to publish it, I think. You have to scroll at least halfway down.

I did get chills from it. I also thought it looked like he had stopped eating. And I also think he is showing is true, terrifying self. I agree that he was planning on more crime.

Can't find an easy way to insert it here (don't want it on my own computer).

IMO

AMEN! Particularly on the mask aspect. But honestly, I kinda think it's already coming off.

He's got a uniquely creepy (for lack of better word) aura to him.. Those selfies he took-- they're beyond words, he looks (seriously) like a ghoul. They'd make your skin crawl and knowing the context of those selfies makes them unspeakably horrifying. Agreed on this, I saw those a long while back if I'm thinking of the right selfies-- white shirt and then black hood? (Just checked the link and I believe we're talking about the same ones.) and always found them beyond belief. Today, though, I wouldn't even need the context when I was watching his face. It was like this hair-raising mixture of viciousness, petulence, and madness.

It was like moving from the "How dare you accuse me!!" phase into the "How dare you catch me!!" period. And I saw that face, and I wondered... Was this deal really a good idea?

jmo he has absolutely no remorse whatsoever. It's appalling. Still, though, I think that plea deal was probably the best approach. The idea of a mistrial is about as terrifying as he is. Someone had a post in here about where they think he's going to be sent, will scroll up & see if I can find it.

 

[Cindizzi]

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — The lead prosecutor tasked with finding justice for four University of Idaho students killed in a grisly quadruple stabbing more than two years ago laid out his key evidence Wednesday at a court hearing for Bryan Kohberger, who agreed to plead guilty earlier this week to avoid the death penalty.

The evidentiary summary — recited by lead prosecutor Bill Thompson before Kohberger entered his pleas — spun a dramatic tale that included a DNA-laden Q-tip plucked from the garbage in the dead of the night, a getaway car stripped so clean of evidence that it was “essentially disassembled inside” and a fateful early-morning Door Dash order that may have put one of the victims in Kohberger’s path.

[…]

And by the time investigators did catch up with him weeks later, his apartment and office in nearby Pullman were scrubbed clean.

“Spartan would be a kind characterization. There was nothing there, nothing of evidentiary value was found,” Thompson said of Kohberger’s apartment.

The car, too, “had been essentially disassembled inside,” he added. “It was spotless. The defendant’s car had been meticulously cleaned inside.”

[…]

A Q-tip and spotless car were key evidence linking Bryan Kohberger to murders of 4 Idaho students

The man charged with killing four University of Idaho students in 2022 pleaded guilty, capping a mystifying murder case that's long captured the nation's attention.

apnews.com

 

[mcmaffy]

I'm a little shocked by how little new evidence was revealed in the State's recitation of factual basis. The recitation was essentially a reorganised synopsis of the PCA which was prepared more than 2.5 years ago, peppered with a couple of additional facts which had already been revealed relatively recently. There were a couple of matters confirmed which I think many had already assumed or expected ((eg. parking location; entry was made through sliding door).

I recognise the gag order remains live however at such a critical moment in the case - where the State presents a guilty plea agreement to the Court and explains why it believes the defendant is guilty - I would have thought the gag order would yield to ensure the State tells the Court each and every material fact in its possession which it says supports the defendant's guilt - even if only in short form submissions. If a closed hearing was required for this purpose, pending sentencing and lifting of the gag order, so be it.

It makes me wonder what else, if anything, the State had up its sleeves.

Perhaps we will find out these matters after sentencing.

Edit: I should make it clear that I'm not questioning the strength of the State's case - I believe it was very strong.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I was called for jury duty for a criminal case a few years ago, but when I arrived, I was immediately sent home since the prosecution and defense had settled on a deal that morning. (I couldn’t believe I had just driven an hour to hear that.)

Well, a court official told me that happened all the time! So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised about Kohberger.

 

[LAborn]

Plea deals in exchange for taking away the death penalty are pretty common. (in less serious cases some other arrangement is made that reduces the sentence for the accused.)

That's why they are called 'deals'. It is a negotiatation; one side offers this, in exchange for that

It is the defence lawyer's responsibility to negotiate with the prosecutor, to get the best deal they can for their client, though obviously the accused must agree.

Right, but doesn't the DA usually approach the defendant with an offer first? It sounds like BK told his attorney he wanted to change his plea from not guilty to guilty, he initiated the action. In which case the DA would then strike terms, but aren't their hands kind of tied? I'm asking because Kaylee's father made it seem like the DA had initiated this deal, and I don't think that's the case. It seems to have started with BK wanting to change his plea status.

 

[al66pine]

What would the info not presented be?

From my earlier posts:
"Mr. G seems to openly be soliciting ppl to urge the presiding judge to make decisions and rulings based on information not presented in party's motions, briefs, or in the courtroom."

@Luna20
The info not presented in courtroom would be that 2, or 200, or 2000 ppl, a number of ppl (in the gen. public, more or less random ppl, who are not parties or witnesses in the case) told the judge about their opinions, i.e., they believe he should deny/reject the plea deal as unfair.*

That would not be presented in ct.: it's not relevant; it's inadmissable.
imo w some familiarity of Rules of Evidence.
Welcoming clarification or correction re my interp on that point.

This is not a "People's Choice" television show to judge a talent contest.

That said, I cannot imagine the feelings of loss & pain these families and others are experiencing, including Mr. G. Plus his frustration of what he saw/sees as mistakes, bad decisions, bungled opportunities, and in court unwarranted delays, continuances, etc.

And now no trial for what he apparently saw/sees as a slam-dunk, sure-fire, can't-miss, case which would have absolutely, positively ended in Death Penalty.

____________________________________________
* The gist of Mr. G's stmt was---
If you think the judge should deny/reject the plea deal, call him at this number and tell him it's not justice (or not fair, etc. whatever wording).
Sorry, I did not locate link w his exact phrase.

 

[vls12345]

I sure do hope the eventual final agreement includes a clause that says any money he makes from interviews or books goes into the fund for victims.

RSBM.

I don't remember the exact wording, but today Judge Hippler did indicate the sentences for each charge would include a possible monetary restitution to the victims for each count. (I think one was $50k & the others were $5k for each count?) So, if the judge does attach those monetary penalties to the sentence, I would imagine that any money BK made (from books, interviews, etc.) would first go to the monetary restitution requirements. (I don't know what might happen to any additional amount he might earn.)

That's just the way I interpreted what I heard today. MOO.

 

[mickey2942]

I think something motivated him to skip the trial. MOO, is it could have been leverage by his parents. Having someone on the outside to put money on your commissary is huge. If they told him they would help him out if he skipped the trial, that may have been a big deal.

The handwriting was already on the wall, as AT was focused more on Mitigation of the death penalty phase. So, he was already going to prison. He accepted that.

 

[sunshineray]

Forgive the subjectivity on this, but as I look at the recordings of BK's face today, I felt like I was looking right right into the face of the murderer as he really is. I haven't had this experience with BK in the past; he has never registered with me in this manner before. Watching him today, even without context or his words, without the "guilty," I saw BK with an entirely different face, and I think that's as close as we can safely come to seeing the face that went to Moscow that night without ending up dead. While it didn't give me chills or anything, I seriously felt like I was looking into the face and eyes of some particularly terrifying strain of madman. (Had a similar sensation once watching a Bundy interview where the reporter said something that Ted evidently didn't like.)

He'd do it again. I feel he'll be safe in prison, but jmo.

RIP Kaylee, Maddie, Ethan and Xana.

I always got the creep feeling from him especially in the traffic stop videos and that thumbs up picture after being freshly showered soon after the murders, **shivers** extremely creepy.

 

[Cedars]

Right, but doesn't the DA usually approach the defendant with an offer first? It sounds like BK told his attorney he wanted to change his plea from not guilty to guilty, he initiated the action. In which case the DA would then strike terms, but aren't their hands kind of tied? I'm asking because Kaylee's father made it seem like the DA had initiated this deal, and I don't think that's the case. It seems to have started with BK wanting to change his plea status.

IMO a prosecutor is always open to a deal and defense lawyers know that.

It always entirely depends on the defence: how adamant is the accused and how ambitious is the lawyer.

For eg, some believe Richard Allen would have accepted a plea deal but his lawyers - and perhaps his wife - were not going to allow it.

 

[LadyL]

RSBM.

I don't remember the exact wording, but today Judge Hippler did indicate the sentences for each charge would include a possible monetary restitution to the victims for each count. (I think one was $50k & the others were $5k for each count?) So, if the judge does attach those monetary penalties to the sentence, I would imagine that any money BK made (from books, interviews, etc.) would first go to the monetary restitution requirements. (I don't know what might happen to any additional amount he might earn.)

That's just the way I interpreted what I heard today. MOO.

[bbm]

so it's not illegal for him to profit from his crime in the state of Idaho?

 

[sunshineray]

IMO a prosecutor is always open to a deal and defense lawyers know that.

It always entirely depends on the defence: how adamant is the accused and how ambitious is the lawyer.

For eg, some believe Richard Allen would have accepted a plea deal but his lawyers - and perhaps his wife - were not going to allow it.

Yes in RA's case he was wanting almost begging for them to believe his 60+ confessions, until they stopped taking his phone calls. I think it was all BK thinking he could beat the rap. JMO's

 

[sunshineray]

[bbm]

so it's not illegal for him to profit from his crime in the state of Idaho?

Seems there's an Idaho law saying just that. NY had to redo their Son of Sam Law and it's stood up in court since. It's worded to target only the money made by talking/telling their story, not the actual freedom of speech.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940588513063588182

 

[vls12345]

[bbm]

so it's not illegal for him to profit from his crime in the state of Idaho?

I don't know. I was mostly speaking to the case if he was allowed to make money that it seems like it would probably be earmarked.

 

[LinasK]

I'm late to this thread but: Bryan Kohberger admits to Idaho college killings in plea hearing

 

[SteveP]

Seems there's an Idaho law saying just that. NY had to redo their Son of Sam Law and it's stood up in court since. It's worded to target only the money made by talking/telling their story, not the actual freedom of speech.

I will not be surprised to see all four murdered victims' families file wrongful death civil suits against BK, pretty much guaranteeing that he will not profit from the murders., even if there are any loopholes in Idaho laws preventing him from profiting off them. JMO

Here is the Idaho law I posted a few days ago, pertaining to distribution of moneys received as a result of the commission of criime.

COMPENSATION OF VICTIMS OF CRIMES
19-5301. Distribution of moneys received as a result of the commission of crime. (1) Every person, firm, corporation, partnership, association or other legal entity contracting with any person or the representative or assignee of any person, accused of a crime in this state, with respect to the reenactment of such crime, by way of a movie, book, magazine article, radio or television presentation, live entertainment of any kind, or from the expression of such person’s thoughts, feelings, opinions or emotions regarding such crime, shall pay over to the state treasurer any moneys which would otherwise, by terms of such contract, be owing to the person so convicted or his representatives. The state treasurer shall deposit such moneys in an escrow account for the benefit of and payable to any victim of crimes committed by such person, provided that such person is eventually convicted of the crime or is acquitted on the ground of mental disease or defect excluding responsibility and provided further that such victim, or his personal representative, within five (5) years of the date the escrow account has been established, brings a civil action in a court of competent jurisdiction and recovers a money judgment against such person or his representatives.

Section 19-5301 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov