ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #17

[Rayemonde]

I didn't know the part about money going missing, though... To be honest, I thought the parents didn't have much support from the public, and I thought that very few people would have donated any cash to them.

 

[Elle*Bee]

I also heard about this theory on SM weeks ago. Vilt was actually telling it to sleuthers who e-mailed him about the case (which I thought was v unprofessional). He thought jessica might have actually arranged for a distant relative to come to the campsite and abduct Deorr, maybe without Vernal knowing, then raise him in another state.

I think it's a ridiculous idea...

t

Thanks. Ok, I can see how that *could* happen, but I'm with you. It's very far fetched. Not to mention, if he was given to a relative, it shouldn't be that hard to prove. Granted, it would involve shaking the family tree quite a bit. Nah, I'm not buying it.

 

[Rayemonde]

I think it's a ridiculous idea because as far as I know, Vilt has no evidence at all to back it up. I think he just really wants to believe that DeOrr is alive and his buddy Vernal isn't a murderer as well as a thief (allegedly).

 

[Coolmomof4]

Here at around 9 minutes, Vernal says it was 10 minutes from when they last saw DeOrr to when they realised he was missing.

[video=youtube;mwM1oG3z358]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM1oG3z358[/video]

He doesn't seem broken up or worried about his son at all. He sounds excited like this is a thrill ride for him.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Does she still have his blanket, cup and monkey. If not, hmmmm...

She'd never get rid of her 'props' in case she needed to use them again in SM to drum up some more money, IMO. Sorry to sound so crass, but this case is making me crazy! It would not surprise me if those two did re-home little DeOrr, this was a hoax, he was abused to death, or died through neglect, or even murdered. IOW, I do not know what to think other than the parents DO know what happened and where DeOrr is.

All of these new revelations of late seems to give almost anything credence!! Almost any theory would fit short of drowning in the shallow stream, or wandering off. JMO

 

[white rabbit]

remember the human factor, folks. I've said this umpteen times on the mcstay thread. people have egos. period.

I agree with the poster that said (sorry I can't quote nor thank posts) JM might be the guilty party here but DK seems the more likely 'suspect'. Look at exactly how IR worded his interview. he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but his attorney is...no one, not one of them, will describe what happened from Friday morning until the 911 call whether it be 17 minutes or 4 hours. doesn't matter...IMO they were all chemically under the influence (stoned, drunk, I don't care). IMO little deorr never made it to the local store (that was such a subject of stress for DR in their one and only interview regarding the truck and the other little blonde boy sighting). JMO either Thursday night or Friday morning something awful transpired (at the hands of the parents, yes I can say that within TOS now) and RW/IR were too "compromised" to remember.

EATON: What do you remember what happened up there?

REINWAND: I don’t want to comment on that.

EATON: Do you remember the last time you saw little DeOrr?

REINWAND: No comment.

EATON: But he was up there?

REINWAND: Yes, he was.

EATON: He was up there, you saw him, you know he was there.

REINWAND: Yes.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/isaac-reinwand-i-had-nothing-to-do-with-deorrs-disappearance/

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I could list a million reasons why I think the adoption theory is "out there" but I'd be typing a long time. Bottom line for me is that no matter my opinion of JM right now (which isn't great) I can't imagine she could be that cold, calculating and evil, IMO.

At least I don't want to think about such right now.....

 

[TeaTime]

I wondered early on whether Deorr was 'sold' (ugh! Hate that term.) by the parents but I dismissed that thought. I'm not understanding how, if Vilt's theory is correct, could JM pull it off without DK's knowledge.

I wondered early on if the child was handed off to someone too, but I thought it might be members of the church who thought the child was not in good hands with his parents. Never thought that a parent might have planned it.

It would explain the lack of scent at the campsite and the reluctance to have the case become national news but it was on Nancy Grace.

Now I go back to the baby in CA, abandoned in a motel room wearing an adult t-shirt who looked so much like DeOrr that I wasn't sure it was not him. But he was released to an hispanic woman.

But, when would this have occurred and would GGP be in on the scam?

Even according to DK he wasn't missing before they returned to the campsite from town so there could not have been a 'hand off' before this without DK noticing.

I think this WAS a scenario that Vilt had for a brief time but surely he has discounted it by now.

 

[Rayemonde]

I could list a million reasons why I think the adoption theory is "out there" but I'd be typing a long time. Bottom line for me is that no matter my opinion of JM right now (which isn't great) I can't imagine she could be that cold, calculating and evil, IMO.

At least I don't want to think about such right now.....

I can imagine her being that cold, calculating and evil but I think if she really wanted rid of him she would just throttle him rather than going to all the trouble of secretly rehoming him

 

[Rayemonde]

I can't remember exactly what Vilt thought happened, but I think maybe he thought a relative of Jessica would actually hide behind a tree at the campsite and grab Deorr whilst Jessica kept Vernal out of the way off fishing. Hence a "planned abduction".

 

[CoverMeCagney]

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Now I go back to the baby in CA, abandoned in a motel room wearing an adult t-shirt who looked so much like DeOrr that I wasn't sure it was not him. But he was released to an hispanic woman.

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I must have been on a self imposed time out when this came out. I knew about it in the back of my mind but as it had been discounted by the time I came back I never looked at it properly. But WOW that boy looks sooooo like DeOrr!

Wondering if D&J said it wasn't him (which they would if they sold him off somehow). Didn't JM get a $12k tax bill or something just before all this happened.

It would be amazing if it turned out it was indeed DeOrr and he's alive somewhere. I would love that ending...

(I still don't / daren't believe that is what happened though)

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/09/lemhi-sheriff-the-child-in-this-viral-post-is-not-deorr-kunz/

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I can't remember exactly what Vilt thought happened, but I think maybe he thought a relative of Jessica would actually hide behind a tree at the campsite and grab Deorr whilst Jessica kept Vernal out of the way off fishing. Hence a "planned abduction".

That'd be way too cra cra

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I can imagine her being that cold, calculating and evil but I think if she really wanted rid of him she would just throttle him rather than going to all the trouble of secretly rehoming him

That's proper cynical and sad, Rayemonde. I get it with all the sad examples over the years but FV's theory is the next level IMO. I was going to ask whether there is an example of such a case. Then I remembered this is the internet...

Edit: Get your name right!

 

[SweetT]

I am not buying it, either.l Mr. Vilt did say he liked to err on the side of the child being alive, which I think is an excellent way of conducting business. If you are doing a search for someone who you think may still be alive, I would think you would work harder than, say, if you were just looking for a body. The secret adoption theory was just one of the things he thought COULD have happened to little DeOrr. I am of the mind that Jessica and DeOrr both know what really happened to their son, and it wasn't an adoption.

Yea there would be emails, texts , phone calls for meeting up etc..a trail if adoption were the case, and its obvious that Deorr Sr was involved in whatever, so that kinda rules a secret adoption out for me. LE would have been all over that one already if it were true.

 

[Rayemonde]

I think people are just desperate to believe he's still alive somewhere, but until evidence otherwise comes out I'm going with occam's razor. Vilt's theory is just making too many assumptions with no evidence to back them up (as far as I know).

Plus I think if LE thought it was at all possible, they'd have told Vilt to keep it a secret... Because if DeOrr was being hidden somewhere surely this would put him in danger of being moved on or worse.

 

[scmom]

Vilt says Jessica didn't even want kids. At about 3:45.
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/former-kunz-p-i/

 

[Inthedetails]

I must have been on a self imposed time out when this came out. I knew about it in the back of my mind but as it had been discounted by the time I came back I never looked at it properly. But WOW that boy looks sooooo like DeOrr!

Wondering if D&J said it wasn't him (which they would if they sold him off somehow). Didn't JM get a $12k tax bill or something just before all this happened.

It would be amazing if it turned out it was indeed DeOrr and he's alive somewhere. I would love that ending...

(I still don't / daren't believe that is what happened though)

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/09/lemhi-sheriff-the-child-in-this-viral-post-is-not-deorr-kunz/

Wow. I would guess those two photos are of the same boy.

Can this case get any stranger?

 

[Rayemonde]

That's proper cynical and sad, Rayemonde. I get it with all the sad examples over the years but FV's theory is the next level IMO. I was going to ask whether there is an example of such a case. Then I remembered this is the internet...

Edit: Get your name right!

Shannon Matthews is a case in the UK where a mother passed her child off to a relative then pretended she had been abducted. She was on the news all the time crying and begging for information. Turned out she had seen how much money Madeleine McCann's parents had raised and thought it seemed like a great Idea. The worst thing was, the little girl was actually being kept drugged and tethered in a house nearby by this relative, with the mother's knowledge.

 

[iluvmua]

These 2 makes me sick. I hope whatever happened, they get the proper prison time.

jmo

 

[Rayemonde]

Wow. I would guess those two photos are of the same boy.

Can this case get any stranger?

Personally, I don't think they look alike. I think the little boy looks Hispanic, or part Hispanic. He has dark hair (bleached by the sun) and dark skin compared to DeOrr. The police checked it out, the mother was known to the police, and his family propelled more photos of him in which you can see he is not Deorr. He just happens to look like him with his head tilted at that particular angle in the photo. IMO.