ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #19

[Little Ol Me]

But then, if there was no sighting of a filthy bawling Deorr in a black truck and it was just a rumour, why did Vernal say the sightings of him?

? Of course I don't know. Obviously the clerk didn't remember him, or D.K.J.
So it must have been a rumor.

 

[haven71]

I thought he and SB went to the store together at some point and the woman said yes, now I remember seeing them.

? Of course I don't know. Obviously the clerk didn't remember him, or D.K.J.
So it must have been a rumor.

 

[SweetT]

I thought he and SB went to the store together at some point and the woman said yes, now I remember seeing them.

I remember that too, the only question was if she saw a boy or girl child..but she did remember the dad.

 

[kammiemc]

But then, if there was no sighting of a filthy bawling Deorr in a black truck and it was just a rumour, why did Vernal say the sightings of him?

IMO, it was a means of twisting the meaning to say that someone HAD actually placed them at the store, just at a different time and under different conditions.


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[Suthrnqt]

Marking my spot. Does anyone here still believe DeOrr might have been abducted by a complete stranger?

Not this girl.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Which why I was really shocked when Deorr Sr was insistent that it was not a valid sighting. My first thought was..Hmm, your boy is missing and now someone says they saw your boy with a man in a black truck and he was dirty and crying and you are dismissing it right away? WHY? I would have been to that store right away to see what was going on. How was he so certain that it was not his boy? Or that someone had not taken his boy and stopped there?

IKR? IMO, I believe he already knew where his boy was and that is why he dismissed the sighting. :cow:

 

[lesajo]

Marking my spot. I have tried to keep an open mind about Deorr's parents involvement, hoping they didn't hurt him. But it's very hard in light of SB calling them suspects. ( and many red flags, but I could argue some of them away, but collectively they bother me).
My problem is that Deorr jr.was seen alive at 1:10, 1:30 by all four. SB states IR saw him at that time, SB says grandpa had seen him walk towards the bank of the creek. Then the 911 call was at 2:36......roughly an hour??? What could have happened to him, foul play wise that has completely baffled LE??????
I am so confused. That mystery hour......it bothers me.

Also just a thought, if they lawyered up early on, they might have been looked upon as seeming guilty. But, if they had, we wouldn't have inconsistent stories,( such as who cooked, fishing pole etc) or four polys. SB said they were always fully cooperative.

Edit add- also when SB was asked what he thinks what happened he said, " I have no clue".

 

[Rayemonde]

? Of course I don't know. Obviously the clerk didn't remember him, or D.K.J.
So it must have been a rumor.

Sorry, I just saw that I made a typo in that post and it wasn't clear what I was saying.

I meant to say, if the clerk never said she saw a filthy bawling boy, and it was just a rumour that she said she saw one, why would the parents be so definite in the interview that the rumored filthy bawling boy was DeOrr with his father? they would have said, LE spoke to the clerk and she never saw a filthy bawling boy, rather than saying that the problem is that it was just a sighting of DeOrr with his father but at the wrong time.

 

[Rayemonde]

I thought he and SB went to the store together at some point and the woman said yes, now I remember seeing them.

We don't know if SB went back to the store with the parents or not... IMO he didn't.

JMO but I got the impression that VK had gone to the store to buy some supplies whilst camped out searching for DeOrr, and that's when the clerk said "Oh yeah, now I remember you". I don't think LE would have taken VK to the store in person to parade him in front of the clerk and say "Are you *sure* you don't remember seeing this man?"

 

[renarde]

Imagine the feeling, the hell, if they do know where DeOrr is, "absolutely." Unfortunately, people are seeing DeOrr everywhere... at the Stage Stop. At a Walmart. In campgrounds and hotels in other states... And they know, absolutely, that it can't be him.

Then there are those billboards with his image...

 

[pepelepolecat]

Imagine the feeling, the hell, if they do know where DeOrr is, "absolutely." Unfortunately, people are seeing DeOrr everywhere... at the Stage Stop. At a Walmart. In campgrounds and hotels in other states... And they know, absolutely, that it can't be him.

Then there are those billboards with his image...

If they're responsible for his death/disappearance, I find it hard to muster up too much sympathy for them. This would be a hell purely of their own making.

 

[Mickshawn]

Which why I was really shocked when Deorr Sr was insistent that it was not a valid sighting. My first thought was..Hmm, your boy is missing and now someone says they saw your boy with a man in a black truck and he was dirty and crying and you are dismissing it right away? WHY? I would have been to that store right away to see what was going on. How was he so certain that it was not his boy? Or that someone had not taken his boy and stopped there?

'Cause it didn't jive with HIS story/timeline......

 

[Rayemonde]

Imagine the feeling, the hell, if they do know where DeOrr is, "absolutely." Unfortunately, people are seeing DeOrr everywhere... at the Stage Stop. At a Walmart. In campgrounds and hotels in other states... And they know, absolutely, that it can't be him.

Then there are those billboards with his image...

August 2015:

"DeOrr, is it true? Has your son been found in Minnesota?” I asked hopefully.

A long pause. Then his response:

“I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/when-false-news-happens/

 

[Hatfield]

This is JMO

At this point I don't think the boy was ever at the campground at all.
I think it may have seemed that way or whatever actions happened made others assume he had to have been there like a bundle sleeping in back of truck or other ways but I just don't think it can be confirmed that the boy was ever there to begin with.

I know certain statements were made but I am taking those with a small grain of salt because everything seems so muddy and nothing seemed to be very clear. Which is telling me he wasn't ever there to begin with.

All JMO of course. I do think articles of clothing and other things with his smell were there because the dogs did seem to hit around the campground but they kept circling back to the campground area so that is telling me only his scent was around the campground and that could have been just from articles of clothing or his blanket or other things.

Its just how I feel at this point and open to change my mind later.

 

[desert-blue]

We don't know if SB went back to the store with the parents or not... IMO he didn't.

JMO but I got the impression that VK had gone to the store to buy some supplies whilst camped out searching for DeOrr, and that's when the clerk said "Oh yeah, now I remember you". I don't think LE would have taken VK to the store in person to parade him in front of the clerk and say "Are you *sure* you don't remember seeing this man?"

SB:
"Initially she didn’t even remember the parents, but when Vernal, the father, went back in there and quizzed her, she said, Oh, I remember you, but when he quizzed her about, do you remember seeing my son, she said, uh… I remember a child possibly, but I couldn’t tell if it was a male or a female."

[source: True Crime radio]

This kind of sounds like DK went back to the store with the purpose of trying to get the clerk to say she remembered seeing him - it wasn't just a chance encounter and "aha" moment - like, oh yeah, now I remember seeing you. I get the impression it was very important to DK to "prove" he was at the store (with DeOrr)....

 

[redheart]

August 2015:

"DeOrr, is it true? Has your son been found in Minnesota?” I asked hopefully.

A long pause. Then his response:

“I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/when-false-news-happens/

RSBM
Oh my. I hadn't read this article before. What a strange, telling response. He should have become excited, hopeful, frantic - thinking that Nate had new info. IMO

 

[TxJan1971]

We don't know if SB went back to the store with the parents or not... IMO he didn't.

JMO but I got the impression that VK had gone to the store to buy some supplies whilst camped out searching for DeOrr, and that's when the clerk said "Oh yeah, now I remember you". I don't think LE would have taken VK to the store in person to parade him in front of the clerk and say "Are you *sure* you don't remember seeing this man?"

SB:
"Initially she didn’t even remember the parents, but when Vernal, the father, went back in there and quizzed her, she said, Oh, I remember you, but when he quizzed her about, do you remember seeing my son, she said, uh… I remember a child possibly, but I couldn’t tell if it was a male or a female."

[source: True Crime radio]

This kind of sounds like DK went back to the store with the purpose of trying to get the clerk to say she remembered seeing him - it wasn't just a chance encounter and "aha" moment - like, oh yeah, now I remember seeing you. I get the impression it was very important to DK to "prove" he was at the store (with DeOrr)....

Here's another SB statement about the store clerk/VDK:

Tricia interviews SB:
10/15/15

TG: Lem’-hi. Just exactly like how it’s spelled. I just made that way too difficult. Sorry about that, but anyway, Sheriff Bowerman, thank you very, very much. We have one question, one area that we want to clear up, and that is, and I’m hoping you can help us with that tonight, that is when Deorr was seen at the store, with his parents, do you know for certain if he was ever actually seen at the store? That just seems real ambiguous uh to any

SB: Well, initially um the store salesperson didn’t remember uh the encounter. When the father uh… I call him Vernal instead of Deorr, it’s Vernal Deorr Kunz…when Vernal and his wife came back to the store several days later then the salesperson said, “Oh, yeah, I remember you!”

02:45
SB: Now I’m not sure…I don’t recall her saying specifically that she remembered the child. She remembered them talking about their child, and they bought some candy and some other items, and we have a dated and time-stamped receipt, so we know they were in the store. And someone while they were fueling up said they thought they saw a child in the back seat, but that hasn’t been ever positively stated that there was a child there, but ya’ know at this point, I’m believing the family!

03:18
TG: Well, and the thing is, a busy day like that camping, nobody’s going to think, I better remember who’s in the store. It just doesn’t work like that.

03:26
SB: Yeah, exactly. It’s not uncommon. It’s a small community, and uh the salesclerk said she was really busy, and she was having difficulty remembering them being in the store, but when she saw them, she said, Oh, I remember talking to you.

TG: to the parents, right. So, again, that’s just something that’s ambiguous but not necessarily suspicious at all just because it was a busy time, and I’m assuming there is no video?

03:48
SB: Absolutely no video from the time they left Idaho Falls where they fueled up and…and you know their vehicle was seen and someone seen them getting out of the driver’s side to fuel up, but uh no child was ever seen so we don’t have any video.

 

[Rayemonde]

SB:
"Initially she didn’t even remember the parents, but when Vernal, the father, went back in there and quizzed her, she said, Oh, I remember you, but when he quizzed her about, do you remember seeing my son, she said, uh… I remember a child possibly, but I couldn’t tell if it was a male or a female."

[source: True Crime radio]

This kind of sounds like DK went back to the store with the purpose of trying to get the clerk to say she remembered seeing him - it wasn't just a chance encounter and "aha" moment - like, oh yeah, now I remember seeing you. I get the impression it was very important to DK to "prove" he was at the store (with DeOrr)....

Yeah, you're right... Plus it definitely sounds like SB wasn't there. And it gives the impression (to me, anyway) that VK was really pushing the clerk to remember seeing a child, so she agreed with him... But really she still wasn't convinced she'd seen a child at all, and that's why SB won't say for certain that DeOrr was ever at the store. JMO.

 

[Hatfield]

When the other small child was found in Minnesota that was just incredibly coincidental. I about fell out of my chair when that news broke of those other people involving taking some other child (small girl). And the weird thing is the girl they took was from Idaho too and they were at a Minnesota campground.

It was just incredible and a small part of me somehow thinks that incident could still be related in some way to this incident with Deorr. What were the odds some other people would be at a Minnesota campground with an Idaho child.

The only scenario I thought of where it could even be remotely connected was if those people wanted to abduct another child too from a campground to make it look like there was a bunch of kids being taken at campgrounds so they could get away with their abduction of the girl which was a custody issue.

I have concluded it was just a bizarre coincidence but it is amazing isn't it.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3869329.shtml

 

[Onebest]

Which why I was really shocked when Deorr Sr was insistent that it was not a valid sighting. My first thought was..Hmm, your boy is missing and now someone says they saw your boy with a man in a black truck and he was dirty and crying and you are dismissing it right away? WHY? I would have been to that store right away to see what was going on. How was he so certain that it was not his boy? Or that someone had not taken his boy and stopped there?

I think he was trying to establish without a doubt that they had gone to the store earlier "as a family". This sighting screwed up HIS story and JM chirpping in wasnt helpful either. It was NOT the normal reaction one would expect under the circumstances. One would expect his focus would be on his missing son, not making sure he got his STORY right and out to the public, his audience. A normal reaction would be to say oh my God please send someone from law-enforcement to check that out immediately, maybe an APB, PLEASE see if that's my son. And I agree it will be seen as an ha ha moment at some point. JMO