ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #19

[wodalo2]

Per the three 911 calls:

We know dad called from somewhere other than camp per his own statement.
We know mom called from somewhere other than camp per her 911 recording when she says "down at where we were camping" (suggesting she was somewhere above the campsite)
Where did grandpa call from, and if from the campsite, then why the running around to "get a signal" by the parents?

What the heck is going on with these guys?

 

[ReadySet]

So, I have poured through several pictures on Facebook and there are many, MANY pictures of DeOrr with his half brother and sister. There are also lots of pictures with Jessica, DeOrr (Vernal), little DeOrr and his half brother and sister. Regardless of what PI Vilt said about her, I'm really just not getting the impression from all of those pictures that Jessica didn't want kids. I don't know the circumstances as to why she doesn't have custody of them, but it's very apparent that she spends time with them and that they know their little half brother, DeOrr.

From this "missing" poster: http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/de...5af96326f07014c967a97628b29.jpg?itok=rsBfVGG_, the picture of little DeOrr to the right where he is wearing the teal t-shirt, that is from a camping trip he took in the summer of 2014 with Jessica, his two half siblings, Jessica's mom (Trina), Trina's husband (don't know his name), and great grandpa (Trina's dad - yes, the one who was on last summer's ill fated camping trip). There are 30 pictures open to the public to prove it.

IMO, pictures on FB are neither here nor there when it comes to proving things about parents. Parents don't usually post pictures of themselves disciplining their child, toileting accidents, getting up in the middle of the night with a screaming child, child refusing to cooperate, throwing tantrums in the middle of the store, and how parents react to those situations. So, JMO, pictures by themselves don't necessarily demonstrate anything other than what we want others to see.

 

[Lilibet]

IMO, pictures on FB are neither here nor there when it comes to proving things about parents. Parents don't usually post pictures of themselves disciplining their child, toileting accidents, getting up in the middle of the night with a screaming child, child refusing to cooperate, throwing tantrums in the middle of the store, and how parents react to those situations. So, JMO, pictures by themselves don't necessarily demonstrate anything other than what we want others to see.

BBM

Didn't Casey Anthony post lots of cute pictures of Caylee?

 

[bluesneakers]

IMO, pictures on FB are neither here nor there when it comes to proving things about parents. Parents don't usually post pictures of themselves disciplining their child, toileting accidents, getting up in the middle of the night with a screaming child, child refusing to cooperate, throwing tantrums in the middle of the store, and how parents react to those situations. So, JMO, pictures by themselves don't necessarily demonstrate anything other than what we want others to see.

There is also the huge issue of some pictures might be public and some might be friends only. Or even shared with smaller groups of friends. It's impossible to know everything someone is posting and sharing on Facebook so I think it's impossible to make any judgments based off of what we can see there.

And like you said - people can be careful about what they're presenting to the world.

 

[1&2&3]

CB: It's been heard that Isaac has intellectual disabilities. His LDT came back inconclusive. What are the specific questions that were asked? Does Isaac get a 'get out of jail' free card? Is there strong evidence that makes Isaac innocent?

Klein Investigations and Consulting Isaac in our teams opinion is a person of interest with "direct knowledge".

ES: Did he pass the two questions the parents failed, know what happened and where he is, or was did that come back as inconclusive due to his disabilities? Is that the same for the grandpa?

Klein Investigations and Consulting ES he did not pass.

DN: Expanding on this question - did Isaac pass the control questions on the polygraph?

Klein Investigations and Consulting DN he did not.

I am confused. I thought Control Questions were simple questions such as:
*Today is Monday.
*I am wearing a blue shirt.
*Your name is Red Riding Hood.
How can a person fail Control Questions? TIA.

 

[bluesneakers]

I am confused. I thought Control Questions were simple questions such as:
*Today is Monday.
*I am wearing a blue shirt.
*Your name is Red Riding Hood.
How can a person fail Control Questions? TIA.

Because he has a condition or is taking a medication that affects the measurements they check during the polygraph. Based on what's been said they knew going in his results would be inconclusive.

And if a person fails those questions I don't know how the polygraph is useful at all.

 

[Rayemonde]

I thought he might mean that there wasn't much difference between IR's vital signs when he was lying and when he was telling the truth on the control questions, so it wasn't possible to conclude anything on the "real" questions.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

I've been out all day - just wanted to say a huge thank you to all of you who transcribed, snipped, bolded, explained and re-explained to keep the rest of us caught up! I guess the biggest surprise to me today is that Klein says they have 9 witnesses with firm information.

 

[pepelepolecat]

You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. I edited my post to correct the mistake. IR did not refuse to be interviewed it was the lawyer that refused. The point I was making is still valid. I think Klein is casting doubt on IR as a passive aggressive attempt to get an interview.

Oh, no, I agree with the point you were making. I just don't understand why Klein would be taking it out on IR when it wasn't even IR's doing. I don't get a lot of things Klein does. I'm just hoping he knows what he's up to.

 

[gliving]

I don't recall that he said when he first realized that their campsite was visible from the road above. He mentioned it during their first interview, about three days after DeOrr disappeared. I got the general impression from his rambling comment that he discovered that during the search. But I don't know that for sure.

Thanks Lilibet. It is the first interview. I just watched all 17 minutes of it again. It's mind boggling to watch them tell their story now that we know it's all a bunch of less than truthfuls. If this does come to trial, I look forward to hearing FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit's testimony and how they interpreted the videos and polys. I find that part eerily fascinating.

 

[Rayemonde]

we know it's all a bunch of less than truthfuls.

:giggle: Biggest bunch of less than truthfuls I ever heard!

 

[pepelepolecat]

I am confused. I thought Control Questions were simple questions such as:
*Today is Monday.
*I am wearing a blue shirt.
*Your name is Red Riding Hood.
How can a person fail Control Questions? TIA.

Someone posted links earlier -- medication, some health issues, etc. can all cause problems even with control questions.

 

[scmom]

Sounds like there have been a lot of fiblets being told.

 

[Rayemonde]

Oh, no, I agree with the point you were making. I just don't understand why Klein would be taking it out on IR when it wasn't even IR's doing. I don't get a lot of things Klein does. I'm just hoping he knows what he's up to.

I think Klein knows a lot more than we do because he's actually interviewed loads of people involved, whereas we've just had to rely on msm and SM for our knowledge... But I do get the impression he is bluffing and pretending to know a lot more than he actually does.

 

[scmom]

We really have no idea how many witnesses LE has interviewed.

 

[ILOKAL]

Plus he said that the walk to the creek whilst Leaving DeOrr with ggp never happened. If it never happened, then the parents lied.

It didn't seem as though that's what Klein meant. Wasn't that a two-part question? I took his answer to mean it didn't happen in the manner stated. So Klein reads the questions, give the answers, and they are then posted? Or is it in real time?

 

[Rayemonde]

It didn't seem as though that's what Klein meant. Wasn't that a two-part question? I took his answer to mean it didn't happen in the manner stated. So Klein reads the questions, give the answers, and they are then posted? Or is it in real time?

The questions were all posted first, then he went through and added his answers in the comments.

 

[SweetT]

There was a mention of cell pings. No mention of GPS. GPS records a map of the phone's movements and cannot be turned off. There are options to not share your GPS with certain apps or all apps on your phone but it only turns off the APPS from storing the GPS data. The FBI can and would have pulled that GPS data on all the phones.

You can view your own GPS timeline by searching "google maps timeline" on the web and login to Your Timeline using your google play store name and password you use on your phone. You might be shocked at what you see.

Isnt that only if you have accepted google plus.? I can turn my phones gps on and off when I want so it doesnt track me all the time.

 

[EllieBee]

I hadn't watched that in a while and have to wonder why they chose to do this interview. They're probably regretting it by now, imo. He's so nervous it's hard to watch, and she looks like she can barely move at all... I can't blame her. It's always seemed odd to me how he uses "about" which indicates approximate time, but such a precise time of 2:26.

This whole "interview" with Vernal brown-nosing the SAR and LE teams makes me SICK.

This is the sort of thing you'd expect a parent to say after a rescue.

But the lack of urgency and the praise while DeOrr is still "missing"? I call BS.

These parents are suspects with darned good reason, I reckon.

 

[haven71]

Why is Klein coming out and saying the story about the exploring, fishing, leaving child with GGP was all dismissed. Is he just jumping the gun? SB has not said that and you'd think he'd let SB the one to announce that, being that's the story SB has given/believed all along.

Just seems odd to me.