ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #22

[scmom]

Wonder how many fish gramps and Isaac caught? Wasn't the last story that Isaac was supposed to show the parents where he and gpa had been fishing?

 

[Lilibet]

I sure would love to hear the different stories the parents have told investigators.

I think the inconsistencies in their interviews are much more important than polygraph results. So yes, I'd like to hear the different stories too...but we won't. The examples SB gave on Tricia's radio show are likely just the tip of the iceberg that he could state publicly without hurting the investigation. Although minor discrepancies such as he mentioned (who took the fishing pole to the creek and who cooked breakfast) can and will be explained away by some, but when you have an overall pattern of inconsistencies in interviews (never mind the polys), LE isn't going to ignore that.

For any who have watched the video of the skillful and patient interview of Jodi Arias by Detective Flores and interviews of peripheral people in Teresa Sievers' case, it's clear that interviews are key to any case. JM and VDK certainly weren't named as suspects solely on the basis of polys IMO.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

One notable change was that the parents said they went exploring for 10 mins, then that turned into fishing.


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Also the timeline keeps coming up. Remember when they were evasive about what day it was and never mentioned they arrived Thursday.

 

[bessie]

Bears repeating. :thumb:

All rsbm

Polygraphs are a tool for LE to aide in investigations...

I do not believe for a moment that polygraph results is the only thing the Sheriff and the FBI have. As in all cases, it is the totality of the evidence that makes the case. The truth is a constant. You can tell the truth time after time with consistency.
JMO

Same here, as Sheriff B stated there are inconsistencies and changing stories throughout the course of their multiple interviews, not just the polygraphs.

I think the inconsistencies in their interviews are much more important than polygraph results...

Although minor discrepancies such as he mentioned (who took the fishing pole to the creek and who cooked breakfast) can and will be explained away by some, but when you have an overall pattern of inconsistencies in interviews (never mind the polys), LE isn't going to ignore that.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

One notable change was that the parents said they went exploring for 10 mins, then that turned into fishing.


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That's not all. I've read about "hiking" and not to go fishing but only "to look where IR had catched a certain fish". 4 (in words: four) different reasons for their movement without little Deorr - 3 reasons too many.

 

[desert-blue]

I keep hoping that their guilty conscience would get to be too much and they would just tell the truth but sadly, I think that they view themselves as more important than DeOrr. And probably always have.

How can you not allow your baby to be laid to rest?


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I wonder what their daily lives are like - wouldn't they be recognized everywhere they go? Just going to the grocery store seems like it would be an ordeal. Maybe they like the attention, although I remember JM sitting silent with her head down during one of the later interviews. They certainly didn't want any attention then, when they could have used it to plead for help finding their son. I would think their lives would be rather unpleasant (and rightfully so) but maybe their families protect them so they don't ever have to deal with any of the unpleasantries of being suspects in their child's disappearance. They've been pretty quiet on SM lately, from what I've seen. I guess this post doesn't have much of a point other than I wish they would come to the realization that they need to tell the truth and deal with the consequences. Until then, their lives are in limbo and there will be no peace for anyone.

 

[Rayemonde]

I wonder what their daily lives are like - wouldn't they be recognized everywhere they go? Just going to the grocery store seems like it would be an ordeal. Maybe they like the attention, although I remember JM sitting silent with her head down during one of the later interviews. They certainly didn't want any attention then, when they could have used it to plead for help finding their son. I would think their lives would be rather unpleasant (and rightfully so) but maybe their families protect them so they don't ever have to deal with any of the unpleasantries of being suspects in their child's disappearance. They've been pretty quiet on SM lately, from what I've seen. I guess this post doesn't have much of a point other than I wish they would come to the realization that they need to tell the truth and deal with the consequences. Until then, their lives are in limbo and there will be no peace for anyone.

Yes, it must be awful... It just makes me think that whatever they did was so terrible that coming clean is not an option Personally I think that a couple of years in prison for concealing a body would be preferable to never being convicted but having everyone thinking I was a cold-blooded murderer for the rest of my life... If it was an accident, why not come clean, serve your time and then get on with the rest of your life without a cloud of suspicion and guilt hanging over you.

 

[Rayemonde]

Plus, the fear of not knowing when LE are going to burst into your house to arrest you! I'd be a nervous wreck.

 

[Purplepixii]

<snipped by me> They've been pretty quiet on SM lately, from what I've seen. I guess this post doesn't have much of a point other than I wish they would come to the realization that they need to tell the truth and deal with the consequences. Until then, their lives are in limbo and there will be no peace for anyone.

JM has been quiet but VDK hasn't.

Poor little DeOrr - where are you sweetpea? :gaah:

 

[StarrChance]

I found it interesting that Bowerman emphasised in his latest interviews that DeOrr is the victim in this case. Why would he emphasise that? Does he think the parents have been falsely presenting themselves as victims?

Agree, something that always stayed with me was when they were talking about the abduction and VDK said something like " why would they do that to us"
IF it was an abduction it was done to Deorr, who would be the real victim!

 

[courtneyb]

That's not all. I've read about "hiking" and not to go fishing but only "to look where IR had catched a certain fish". 4 (in words: four) different reasons for their movement without little Deorr - 3 reasons too many.

Since none of those reasons are likely true, I'd say that's 4 stories too many.

I wonder if each even told the same story at the same time while being interviewed separately. Or if they each had a different version at the one time.


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[MBK]

I still think it's interesting that the sheriff mentioned that who made breakfast was part of the story that changed.... If they lied about breakfast, whatever happened must have happened early in the day. Maybe IR and GGP were still asleep or off fishing when it all started.

Good point. I *doubt* they even ate breakfast!

 

[gliving]

Since none of those reasons are likely true, I'd say that's 4 stories too many.

I wonder if each even told the same story at the same time while being interviewed separately. Or if they each had a different version at the one time.


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Bowerman is pretty clear about this. It's not just a problem with the polygraphs, they can't even keep their written statements straight.

"Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman said that authorities in Lemhi and Bonneville counties have noted a number of discrepancies in many of the written and oral statements issued by Kunz Sr. and Mitchell over the course of the investigation."

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/me...cle_c4a3d0ab-769a-5bad-b810-374322a60d39.html


I wonder if the parents didn't consider that the different LE agencies would compare notes. I think these parents have told many untruths for a long time. And not just about Deorr.

 

[MBK]

I also wonder why this birthmark wasn't publicized as a way of ruling out all the blonde headed toddlers out there. Remember the hotel boy fiasco? Would have been so easy to just say he didn't have the birthmark.

That little boy SHOULD have come to CPS attention because of that incident. That little boy is a statistic waiting to happen. I HOPE that there has been follow up on his health and welfare on the part of CPS. There are too many children falling through the cracks. He was a "wanderer", too. Luckily, he made his way into the hotel lobby and not into the road.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

JM has been quiet but VDK hasn't.

Poor little DeOrr - where are you sweetpea? :gaah:

I saw a couple of posts from DK on Kleins page just last night iirc. So I know he is still on SM to a degree.

 

[Lilibet]

I saw a couple of posts from DK on Kleins page just last night iirc. So I know he is still on SM to a degree.

It looks like VDK's Dad DK to me. I could be wrong though. VDK would be really dumb to be on SM if he's hired an attorney.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

It looks like VDK's Dad DK to me. I could be wrong though. VDK would be really dumb to be on SM if he's hired an attorney.

Oh that makes better sense. I bet you're right.

 

[bluesneakers]

Plus, the fear of not knowing when LE are going to burst into your house to arrest you! I'd be a nervous wreck.

That might explain some of JM's behavior during that interview. Being an anxious ball of nerves for a month or two might leave someone too exhausted to sit up straight and answer questions.

While I doubt it was grief (which is what I first thought) I think it was more than her just playing a role for the cameras.

 

[ClaireNC]

That might explain some of JM's behavior during that interview. Being an anxious ball of nerves for a month or two might leave someone too exhausted to sit up straight and answer questions.

While I doubt it was grief (which is what I first thought) I think it was more than her just playing a role for the cameras.

Which interview are you referring to? The one they gave to EIN was just three days after Deorr was reported missing. Was there another one a month or two later? Or am I misinterpreting your post?

 

[bluesneakers]

Which interview are you referring to? The one they gave to EIN was just three days after Deorr was reported missing. Was there another one a month or two later? Or am I misinterpreting your post?

No, I don't mean the first one (the one in which VDK went on and on about the rescue) I mean the one they did later.