ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - # 25

[MistyM]

This talk about (loosely paraphrasing) how Deorr would help his Momma cheer up or feel better when she was irritated reminded me of something that always distressed me so much regarding a relative's child who was removed from her custody several times.

A quick recap...2006-2008 we had custody on and off of my late husband's SIL's son (his brother, the baby's father, had died of a drug overdose when the baby was around 7-8 months old). Anyway, she repeatedly failed to followed the plan outlined by the courts, designed by CPS and agreed upon with her) yet she would still try to contact him, often drunk, begging me to let her talk to him on the phone. Sometimes she left messages in the middle of the night on our answering machine where she was crying, almost incoherently, wanting to talk to and see her son (she also had 2 daughters by another man who was awarded full custody years before). Anyway, she would say stuff like, "I NEED him. Doesn't anyone understand how I NEED him? He is the only thing that makes me happy. He's the only one who can cheer me up and feel better." I remember being so outraged. She wanted her neglected toddler son back to fulfill her emotional needs, even though it was very unsafe for him to be with her??? She never mentioned what she did for him (because it was next to nothing), just why she NEEDED to have him back, he was responsible for her adult emotional needs??? Talk about messed up! It was never about what she could do for him or even that she wanted to straighten out her life to be a good mom. It was all about her emotional despondence.

Sickening, really.

yeah it's those moms who think of their offspring as extensions of themselves, (i gave you life). totally narcissistic. i know this is the second time i've brought up another high profile crime, but think of susan smith and how she just got rid of her boys because they were interferring in her dating life. these kind of women don't mind cutting off any sort of hangnail, or whiny needy child, if they are in the mom's way.

JMOO but maybe jess liked the attention she got from having the baby and being pregnant and then tired of it quickly, could be why she wasn't overly invested in keeping custody of her other two little angels. i feel there was no mother/child bonding being done in that family.

poor little deorr... sensing his mom's disinterest and frustration with having to take care of him.. trying to make her love him. if that has an ounce of truth to it, i might cry for the first time since this all started, and i'm a pretty logical, unemotional person. i mean i hate that deorr is missing but thinking of him doing what jessica alluded to, my goodness... that precious little sweetie.

 

[gliving]

I see the ex has removed his funds request.

 

[ClaireNC]

This talk about (loosely paraphrasing) how Deorr would help his Momma cheer up or feel better when she was irritated reminded me of something that always distressed me so much regarding a relative's child who was removed from her custody several times.

A quick recap...2006-2008 we had custody on and off of my late husband's SIL's son (his brother, the baby's father, had died of a drug overdose when the baby was around 7-8 months old). Anyway, she repeatedly failed to followed the plan outlined by the courts, designed by CPS and agreed upon with her) yet she would still try to contact him, often drunk, begging me to let her talk to him on the phone. Sometimes she left messages in the middle of the night on our answering machine where she was crying, almost incoherently, wanting to talk to and see her son (she also had 2 daughters by another man who was awarded full custody years before). Anyway, she would say stuff like, "I NEED him. Doesn't anyone understand how I NEED him? He is the only thing that makes me happy. He's the only one who can cheer me up and feel better." I remember being so outraged. She wanted her neglected toddler son back to fulfill her emotional needs, even though it was very unsafe for him to be with her??? She never mentioned what she did for him (because it was next to nothing), just why she NEEDED to have him back, he was responsible for her adult emotional needs??? Talk about messed up! It was never about what she could do for him or even that she wanted to straighten out her life to be a good mom. It was all about her emotional despondence.

Sickening, really.

Haven71, we are thinking along the same lines. See the post I just made about the personality traits of an alcoholic. Thanks for sharing your insights.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I think they all look guilty.

:cow:

I do too. On top of that, I think they are all liars!

JMO

 

[haven71]

Why didn't JM talk about the things she did for, or with, DeOrr that made HIM happy?

I suspect because she's a very selfish person and perhaps he got in the way of her carefree fun life or something like that IMO.

She seems totally out of tune with what's going on, and how she appears and why she is judged so harshly. Based on her words and emotions (or lack thereof) Deorr was clearly not cherished by his very own mother IMO. Even if she didn't grieve and plead...neither did she share a cherished memory, Mommy-son activity, cute words he pronounced wrong or any of those kinds of things MOST loving mothers just do naturally. It's been 8 months, talk about your child lovingly and share things that are special about him. She's never done any of this, and I really feel that poor Deorr's own mother was indifferent and dismissive of him.

It hurts my heart that that little doll had to have missed out on maternal nurturing which is so important in bonding and child development. And I see red that she (and VDK) both know what happened to him, where he is, yet choose not to even dignify him at the very end.

 

[Paulas88]

This last interview has confirmed (to me) that JM/VK will never confess, and will
take this bogus story all the way to the courts. They now are guilting the public for
doubting them (even though LE has named them suspects and etc, etc) and have dissed law enforcement agencies and implied they're the victims, victims of the public and the LE. How they sleep at night, I don't know!

 

[Ekkwhine]

This is from the NAMUS page. These are the pajama bottoms he was wearing. I think he looks a lot younger in this picture. Do any of you? I'm asking because would he still have been able to wear these eight months ago? (I also don't think the birthmark picture is of him.)

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With my little ones I buy things in the sales, and if they're a real bargain I'll buy the next size up and even beyond, pj's, underwear and non 'trend' items especially. In fact, we have a store here in the UK called primark where the stuff's pretty cheap at the best of times, ideal for kids as they trash stuff, well mine do as they're always outside with the ponies, dogs etc. Just before Christmas they sold off a load of the autumn sleepwear super cheap and my youngster daughter (in 9-12month size at 14 months) has the same pj's, vests and a few tops in her current size, age 12-18 months and 18-24 months because at £1 a pair I couldn't not snap up a supply. I have so many though that given her current 'littleness' she could very well look in photos like she wore the same pj's for over 2 years!

Or, it could all be BS and it was the first pic they pulled out their *advertiser censored***'s after deciding that details of his clothes were innocence proving details and figured no one would notice the fact that he appears a year or so younger. MOO

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[Cardinal47]

I suspect because she's a very selfish person and perhaps he got in the way of her carefree fun life or something like that IMO.

She seems totally out of tune with what's going on, and how she appears and why she is judged so harshly. Based on her words and emotions (or lack thereof) Deorr was clearly not cherished by his very own mother IMO. Even if she didn't grieve and plead...neither did she share a cherished memory, Mommy-son activity, cute words he pronounced wrong or any of those kinds of things MOST loving mothers just do naturally. It's been 8 months, talk about your child lovingly and share things that are special about him. She's never done any of this, and I really feel that poor Deorr's own mother was indifferent and dismissive of him.

It hurts my heart that that little doll had to have missed out on maternal nurturing which is so important in bonding and child development. And I see red that she (and VDK) both know what happened to him, where he is, yet choose not to even dignify him at the very end.

How could she love and cherish DeOrr when she walked out on two babies previously. One being two years old and the other one just nine months old. She was pregnant with DeOrr and said goodbye and left them with their father.

Who does that? Not a loving, caring, nurturing mother.

I thought she looked the best and happiest in the interview she did the other night. She's now free of all of them.

Remember too the saying " "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"

She left two high and dry so why not the third.

Now she is free.

 

[DatelineFan]

Well most elder people have memory problems and yes it can be frustrating to not remember finer details, but a little boy is missing and GGP was okay with his memory by giving that statement to LE, so why didn't he just say " i have memory probs. and can't remember" if he is so vague?

People with memory problems often don't REMEMBER it's a problem.

 

[MBK]

He bought chicken nuggets at a taco stand?

That pretty much sums up the whole shebang.

 

[Blue Skies]

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[DatelineFan]

I think the biggest mistake made in this case was that all four weren't hauled into the local PD from the get go and interrogated appropriately as to what exactly happened to cause a toddler to go missing while in their presence. When statistics tell us in most missing child cases it is family or someone close to the family that are usually the culprits. Why did this lot get treated as if they were innocent? And they claim Deorr went missing from such a remote place with no one else around. Something about this whole case stinks IMO.

How do you know they weren't each questioned separately? How do you know LE assumed innocence?

 

[Blue Skies]

He bought chicken nuggets at a taco stand?

What VDK said regarding this was the opposite of how I think I would feel in this situation. I wouldn't want to see, smell, eat or even be around my child's favorite food if they were missing. I can't imagine buying nuggets for nobody????


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[Lilibet]

It must really upset these two that no one is buying what they're selling in that interview!

 

[Blue Skies]

Why didn't JM talk about the things she did for, or with, DeOrr that made HIM happy?

Exactly, children should never feel or be responsible for their parent's emotional state (whether happy or sad). Never, ever, ever...


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[TheTruthWillOut]

What VDK said regarding this was the opposite of how I think I would feel in this situation. I wouldn't want to see, smell, eat or even be around my child's favorite food if they were missing. I can't imagine buying nuggets for nobody????


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To me its like he's saying he had forgotten his son was missing. Which even for him is a ridiculous notion therefore I believe it was made up. I don't even want to think about it being a true story.

 

[kammiemc]

Not sure if this was in response to my post or not. Yes, he has a license, can follow traffic laws, has decent vision, can handle driving a trailer...his mental status may be such that he cannot do other tasks like supervise a child. I still wonder if he's more mentally capable of more than LE and/or MSM has given him credit for.

But my point is this. Since we are assuming based on Klein's assertion that the day's events reported by the parents are mere fiction, then why would their story include leaving Deorr in the care of GGP? If they wanted it to be believable why not just say JM thought VDK had him, and VDK thought JM had him. Why drag GGP into the picture if he is so bad off that it would make them appear more irresponsible and lacking judgement? IMO they would have a more accurate knowledge of what GGP is capable of, and they went as far as to call him a trusted adult.

Get me some Calamine lotion, because I'm ITCHING to hear GGP's 911 call.

I am itching too!!!!!!!!

(I'm not sure if I was responding to your post, but I do have a loved one with pretty significant dementia whose license was automatically renewed and he loves to drive. Ugh.)

I can't for the life of me think of why the parents would want to bring ggp into the story except to be able to make the excuse of we thought HE had DeOrr and he thought WE had him. You see, it was all just a miscommunication. And what do you know, someone was waiting in the trees just for such a miscommunication to happen so they could swoop in and abduct him!

Not sure if they thought back then that any perceived diminished capacity on ggp's part would help or hurt their story with LE, the public, etc. But it seems from the interview that now they do want people to believe they trusted he would be capable of watching DeOrr to avoid being seen as negligent.


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[Hippie Heart]

I haven't posted much on this thread, but I've been following it for a couple of months now. I too was taken aback by some of the things said in the interview.

#1 I don't feel there was any need for JM to explain her "crazy mom status" ( which was said in a very light tone to me) because every mother with a missing child would automatically search for their child's face in a crowded, listen for their voice, etc. My sister-in-law lost her first child at a few days old and heard phantom cries for months. that is a normal thing, no need to point it out. Ice Princess was a very good description of her. I also agree with other posters that her example of the baby comforting her is concerning.

#2 VK seems much more sincere than her, not saying he's not guilty or culpable of something, but I sense very different emotional responses between the two of them. it makes me wonder if she is the one responsible. His slip-up of saying "at least not in my eyes" (or something to that effect) to me was a veiled reference to JM as he was distinguishing his view of baby Deorr from hers. It was odd.

#3 The only scenario I can imagine regarding chicken nuggets is that you're somewhere ordering food and you think to yourself about ordering something for your little one, then have the sickening realization that they're not there with you. You would never actually order the food imho. To me that was embellishing so it was done to convince.

 

[MBK]

What VDK said regarding this was the opposite of how I think I would feel in this situation. I wouldn't want to see, smell, eat or even be around my child's favorite food if they were missing. I can't imagine buying nuggets for nobody???? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I hope that every time they see a sock monkey, matchbox cars, sippy cup or smell french fries, anything that they associate with him . . . that they see his face quite clearly in their minds and relive the TRUTH of the last time they were with Deorr.

 

[kammiemc]

People with memory problems often don't REMEMBER it's a problem.

That's for sure. In fact, they can sometimes believe that everyone around them has lost it if what they think they remember is not in line with other people's reality.


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