ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #26

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I just re-read the media thread again and SB is certain IR saw DeOrr when they got back from the store.

Can someone post a link that states they were in the Silver Dollar drinking?

Certain that IR said it? Or certain that he believes it to be true and accurate? It has always struck me that SB qualified that info by saying "he says" or "he claims". I'll have to look back at the media thread unless you happen to have the link you were looking at handy.


ETA: I don't think it has ever been stated in MSM that there was drinking going on at the Silver Dollar. I am not sure I have heard anyone say they know that to be true. But I think some people think it is a possibility since it's a restaurant/bar/casino. A lot of people drink in bars. I do! So seems a reasonable activity to do in the evening.

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The blood on the truck is just based on a FB post / rumor by maybe a family member who wasn't even there, right? I don't think it's been mentioned anywhere else so... I can't assume it's true.
 
I just re-read the media thread again and SB is certain IR saw DeOrr when they got back from the store.

Can someone post a link that states they were in the Silver Dollar drinking?

I don't think there's a link, but we know they were at SD and we know they "tried to get food" so it's entirely possibly they had a drink in there. Could have been a nice cocoa before bed.
 
The blood on the truck is just based on a FB post / rumor by maybe a family member who wasn't even there, right? I don't think it's been mentioned anywhere else.

Correct. Dennis. No reason for him to be less than truthful.
 
Once the sheriff stated that I.R and ggp were expected to fail the polygraphs tells us that I.R was going to be given the clear early on from being intensely interrogated.

But I can't blame him since the parents are not blaming nor hinting at I.R as well.

So I.R really is innocent imo.

If he wasn't. The parents would have thrown him under the bus.

Btw. The parents were the only ones driving before and after the dissappearance. So I.R nor ggp had no time to get rid of anything. Only the parents did. Jmo.
 
I hadn't seen that bit before, when was it from? If it's 100% correct it debunks any Thursday night shenanigans!

Just out of interest (and defo not having a go at you) you seem to favour the "wandering off, parents not guilty" theory, and you seem to hold SB's views in high esteem, as most of us do. So what do you think to the whole "we know they're lying and they know where he is" statement? Because that's the one that made many people think the parents are guilty of something.
I guess my thing is I realized it would be impossible to even begin to wrap my brain around any of this unless if I narrowed down my source. Too many PI saying what they think...and public opinions that I've decided to just base what my facts are off of SB because some of what Klein says goes against what SB says and I felt like I kinda had to pick or nothing would add up. I went with SB because he seems to be the most genuine and cautious. And most of all professional. I'm a firm believer that things get to messy and misconstrued when too many people get involved.

Now sinse SB has come out saying they are being less then truthful and know where DeOrr is. And of course that their story's have changed.....I beleive he had good reasons for this.
Either A)he was stumped and did it to see if they would crack because he was at a dead end.
Or B) he truly beleives they know where he is and what happen.
SB has made comments that support A&B.

If SB thinks they do know what happen to DeOrr then after reading all his interviews over and over I feel like something really did happen after the trip to the store because I don't feel like IR would lie for JM or VDK.

I will say I understand how or why you or others might beleive that IR could easily be mislead. But I don't think he could be that mislead that easily. But it's a touchy subject so I just leave it be.

What I can't figure out is what in the world could of happen after the trip to the store. Or at all really that would need to be covered up other then murder and I don't think murder is what happen here.

One horrible thought is that ggp accidentally hit him with the ax. I could totally see how this could happen. I grew up with a wood stove that heated our house. Spilting wood is harder then it looks. An ax swings harder then you would realize and can be hard to stop once your in mid swing. Ggp was getting older. Maybe he was weaker then he realized as well. It was said that an ax and overalls where taken into evidence. But there is a lot that debunks this idea. But it supports why IR would have a reason to make a statment that support the parents or cover in anyway.

Or I've thought maybe they all just got completely bombed and passed out and DeOrr took off. Them waking up had no clue how long he'd been gone. They looked and lied because they new they'd be in trouble for neglect and not calling 911 soon enough leading to DeOrr being out side of the search area. And parents being less then truthful. But again there's is a lot to debunk this.

There's so many other ideas I had I could go on and on but mostly there is always something that makes me feel it isn't the case.

But through out all this it's always in the back of my brain what if what is simple is true in this case and the simple answer to all this might be DeOrr wondered off. Leading JM amd VDK to know what happen and where he is.

I just don't think they had any of this planned out or that DeOrr was hurt prior to the camping trip. I don't think they have done anything publicly that has raised red flags for me. And I keep thinking one of them would of cracked by now. All just imo.

Sorry my post goes on and on. Today has been my first day in over a two months to actually lay in bed, drink coffe, while my son is with his grandma, and I don't have to work. Lol I'm enjoying this.




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Certain that IR said it? Or certain that he believes it to be true and accurate? It has always struck me that SB qualified that info by saying "he says" or "he claims". I'll have to look back at the media thread unless you happen to have the link you were looking at handy.


ETA: I don't think it has ever been stated in MSM that there was drinking going on at the Silver Dollar. I am not sure I have heard anyone say they know that to be true. But I think some people think it is a possibility since it's a restaurant/bar/casino. A lot of people drink in bars. I do! So seems a reasonable activity to do in the evening.

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This is where I'm at right now. I'm trying to decide if SB beleives IR. If maybe something did happen that afternoon. If IR is telling the truth then that's really when something happen or DeOrr really actually wondered off.

Or if he is telling lies then he's guilty of something or covering for ggp.

What is crazy to me is that none of em have come out aginst each other.

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I.R was on foot the entire time from arrival to departure. So imo. I.R had no means of vanishing Deorr at all. Jmo.

He has the perfect alibi. The parents were with him at some point and ggp and the parents had their keys to their vehicles.

So I.R was not mobile for any dumping possibilities. Jmo.
 
I.R was on foot the entire time from arrival to departure. So imo. I.R had no means of vanishing Deorr at all. Jmo.

He has the perfect alibi. The parents were with him at some point and ggp and the parents had their keys to their vehicles.

So I.R was not mobile for any dumping possibilities. Jmo.

True IR was on foot. But then later on its come out now that from the time DeOrr was last seen to when s&r showed up was about three hours. How fast can a grown able man walk or jog in three hours?


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This is where I'm at right now. I'm trying to decide if SB beleives IR. If maybe something did happen that afternoon. If IR is telling the truth then that's really when something happen or DeOrr really actually wondered off.

Or if he is telling lies then he's guilty of something or covering for ggp.

What is crazy to me is that none of em have come out aginst each other.

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Agree 100% with your last sentence. That fact has always left me scratching my head. :thinking:

VDK has SORT OF started to throw GGP under the bus by saying, "...you leave your child with a trusted adult..." but that's it. He never goes any further. He's actually said it at least 3 times that I'm aware of. The first time was in the first interview with Nate, the second time was at the first candlelight vigil where he speaks to the attendees via microphone (I believe EIN aired it), and the third time was in the latest interview he and JM gave with Chelsea from Local 8 news.
 
Thanks for explaining, Gia. Good to know I'm not the only one who veers from one theory to the next!

I don't think it was premeditated murder either, I think there was an accident. That could be a "natural" accident like DeOrr wandering off and drowning, or falling, or choking, or running into a big rock or something. Or it could be a "manmade" accident like someone hitting him with an axe, or a car, or medicating him, or leaving him in a hot car.

I really believe if he's got lost or been taken by an animal something would have been found by now. Both LE and the parents are vehement they have covered every nook and cranny. They'd have found his "too big" boots (unless there's some plastic eating wolf that I've never heard of) for sure. Or some fabric, or a footprint, or a toy car / monkey / whatever.

So it does seem like "a person" must know where DeOrr is. It remains to be seen which person that is but LE seems sure it's not Grandpa or Isaac, which leaves the parents or a stranger. I guess they arrived at the conclusion the parents are suspects by a process of elimination.

I'm still of the opinion that all these police and PI's wouldn't ruin a potentially grieving parent for the sake of it. But then, as we know, LE sometimes might use scare tactics in an attempt to draw out the truth. There are plenty of cases where LE have said "so and so is not a suspect" to lull that person into revealing something incriminating. I'm sure the opposite has applied too.

I just wish LE would issue another statement, perhaps Tricia could get him back on to her radio show for an update. Seems all has gone a bit quiet on the press release front (from all parties) and I just hope that means they're getting ready for some big news. We can dream.
 
True IR was on foot. But then later on its come out now that from the time DeOrr was last seen to when s&r showed up was about three hours. How fast can a grown able man walk or jog in three hours?


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I thought the parents went with him to see a fish spot or the meadows a half hour before noticing Deorr was missing from ggp sight?

Idk. I'm lost like everyone else. So I truly don't know jack about the case.
 

DG Did any, or all, of the adults go to the Silver Dollar Restaurant and Bar in Leadore on Thursday, July 9th?
Klein Investigations and Consulting As this is in the timeline - and outside any prosecutional questions - the answer is yes.
DG Was Deorr with them?
No answer from Klein.

Not real clear they were drinking then. So I'm guessing it's another rumor?
 
I thought the parents went with him to see a fish spot or the meadows a half hour before noticing Deorr was missing from ggp sight?

Idk. I'm lost like everyone else. So I truly don't know jack about the case.
They supposably all three go down to a fishing spot. According to SB they all three have said this. Then in the last interview SB did with Tricia and Bessie he clears up the three hour time frame.
I'll go get the link but what SB basically said is that there is three hours from the time they notice DeOrr missing till LE and s&r arived.

So that gives anyone really three hours to hide DeOrr.

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DN: 1. The store clerk DID see a child with Jessica and Deorr on July 10th and 2. There were 'a couple' of hits at the campground by the search dogs. Can Klein confirm these two things that Bowerman contradicted his earlier statements about?
Klein Investigations and Consulting Sheriff Bowerman in our opinion has been very clear in his statements. Please listen to them again and you will understand that this case is in progress. Things change by the hour right now.
Klein Investigations and Consulting DN There were no hits by the dogs. We will not comment on witness statements as they are now part of the prosectuional issues.

This contradicts what Klein claims about the dogs hitting on something.
 
Not real clear they were drinking then. So I'm guessing it's another rumor?

Isn't the whole damn thing just one rumour after another?! I think it's reasonable to suggest an alcoholic drink was purchased in a bar.

We literally have no idea what is true and what is not, other than a kid apparently went up a mountain and apparently didn't come back down again.

At this point in time I wouldn't be entirely shocked to find the flippin' mountain doesn't exist.
 
They supposably all three go down to a fishing spot. According to SB they all three have said this. Then in the last interview SB did with Tricia and Bessie he clears up the three hour time frame.
I'll go get the link but what SB basically said is that there is three hours from the time they notice DeOrr missing till LE and s&r arived.

So that gives anyone really three hours to hide DeOrr.

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They wouldn't have known S&R would take that long though? One of the local volunteers could have got there pretty quickly if they'd been in Leadore. They must have made follow up calls to 911 to make sure it was logged, 3 hours would seem an eternity, how could you not chase them up?
 
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