ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[Inthedetails]

Watch it again. Jessica says she saw something move in the corner of her eye while fishing and looked.over and it was Isaac coming down stream to fish near her. Right after that she says Vernal yelled down that Deorr was missing.

Jessica goes on to say about throwing her pole and running to the campsite. Her description of getting to the fishing spot was having to cross a log and walking downstream and then crossing rocks into the middle island type area of the creek, where she began to fish. If she saw Isaac down from her right before Vernal yelled, then even if Isaac couldn't hear Vernal surely he saw Jessica throw her pole, scramble across the rocks, run downstream, climb back across the Log, and run back to camp yelling her sons name!!! If she saw him easily enough in her peripheral vision then he could see her. And it also means IR was accounted for when Deorr disappeared.

Whatever happened to the story that J and V went off to look around while Deorr napped? Wasn't that the first story, before the "gee, we have to show Deorr these minnows" story?

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

If there was a genuine accident, I compare the 4 examples you give
Fell in water; no direct culpability, (but possibly the indirect contribution of inadequate supervision)).
Fell in fire: same as above.
Fell: same as above.
Hit by vehicle: This is different, because it involves physical action by an adult (it can't happen unless an adult gets into the vehicle and starts it and makes it move) and so the level of culpability would depend on various factors, such as whether it was safe to use a vehicle, and whether the speed chosen was safe for a campground where it was known that a very small child could be anywhere around.

But if it were a genuine accident, why lie about it? Accidents happen.


jmo

 

[KatieLiz]

If there was a genuine accident, I compare the 4 examples you give
Fell in water; no direct culpability, (but possibly the indirect contribution of inadequate supervision)).
Fell in fire: same as above.
Fell: same as above.
Hit by vehicle: This is different, because it involves physical action by an adult (it can't happen unless an adult gets into the vehicle and starts it and makes it move) and so the level of culpability would depend on various factors, such as whether it was safe to use a vehicle, and whether the speed chosen was safe for a campground where it was known that a very small child could be anywhere around.

I see very little difference between disposing of your child and covering up an accidental death vs. Killing him themselves. Either way, they are criminals.

 

[KatieLiz]

Whatever happened to the story that J and V went off to look around while Deorr napped? Wasn't that the first story, before the "gee, we have to show Deorr these minnows" story?

jmo

Yes. At one point I believe someone stated they weren't fishing either. Then IR was fishing. Now Jessica is describing her fishing right down to the details of "casting out" and "reeling in".... UGH!!!

 

[neesaki]

Yes. At one point I believe someone stated they weren't fishing either. Then IR was fishing. Now Jessica is describing her fishing right down to the details of "casting out" and "reeling in".... UGH!!!

That's why I'm so confused. I keep hearing different versions of their stories. :gaah: Isn't there a name for that? Selective Amnesia ? :thinking: Is there such a thing as Selective Confusion? :thinking:

Or then again, could it be Selective Deception?

 

[Hoosier952]

That's why I'm so confused. I keep hearing different versions of their stories. :gaah: Isn't there a name for that? Selective Amnesia ? :thinking: Is there such a thing as Selective Confusion? :thinking:

Or then again, could it be Selective Deception?

I think it's called covering all bases and throwing everyone but yourself under the bus.

She's distancing herself from Deorr and putting the responsibility on GGP to watch him, but placing VDK and IR out of her sight so any of the three could have done anything in that (3, 6, 10, 15, 60 minute) time period.

Honestly, if she would have stuck with the last story Klein posted with little to no major changes and maybe a hint of emotion, I'd probably assume Deorr wandered off. Instead, this last interview makes me think she killed her child and VDK and GGP are covering for her and IR is covering for GGP or going along with what GGP tells him. I really don't see GGP, IR, or JA covering for VDK alone.

 

[neesaki]

I think it's called covering all bases and throwing everyone but yourself under the bus.

She's distancing herself from Deorr and putting the responsibility on GGP to watch him, but placing VDK and IR out of her sight so any of the three could have done anything in that (3, 6, 10, 15, 60 minute) time period.

Honestly, if she would have stuck with the last story Klein posted with little to no major changes and maybe a hint of emotion, I'd probably assume Deorr wandered off. Instead, this last interview makes me think she killed her child and VDK and GGP are covering for her and IR is covering for GGP or going along with what GGP tells him. I really don't see GGP, IR, or JA covering for VDK alone.

What I don't get, is why VDK would still be covering for her since they're no longer together. Idk, this case makes me crazy.

 

[katydid23]

Yes. At one point I believe someone stated they weren't fishing either. Then IR was fishing. Now Jessica is describing her fishing right down to the details of "casting out" and "reeling in".... UGH!!!

That whole fishing thing is all brand new.

We used to do a lot of camping. And always by a lake or stream. Whenever anyone went fishing, it was a big deal to get everything together and take it to the water. So why didn't they mention that when they first talked about the moments leading up the DeOrr's disappearance? There was never ever any mention of them taking fishing poles and a bucket, and bait and knives, and all that.

And it goes agains their original story about the baby 'about ready' to take his nap. Why would they go fishing if the baby was about ready to go to sleep? Who was supposed to put him down for his nap? Why not just wait until he was asleep in the tent, with GGP watching for him?

That fishing story makes no sense at all, just thrown in at the last minute.

But let's just say for a minute, that they are finally telling the true version. Even if IR suddenly showed up at the water, fishing, it does not mean he is cleared. He could have stashed the baby somewhere, like in a backpack in his tent, and then hiked away with him when he began searching.

But I do agree that it makes no sense that he would see Mom go rushing up to the camp site, and he would not run after to see what was up.

 

[Hoosier952]

What I don't get, is why VDK would still be covering for her since they're no longer together. Idk, this case makes me crazy.

I figure if he wasn't involved in the death, he's involved in the cover up. Because I don't believe for 1 second at least the two of them don't know exactly what happened that day.

I'm not sure how sharing an attorney works in a situation like this, but I'd think an attorney would tell him to keep his mouth shut until LE come knocking on their doors. Then he can take whatever they offer him in exchange for his testimony. There's no reason to risk jail time if there aren't charges looming over his head. At this point in time, there doesn't seem to be any hint of charges in the near future (although I'd love to be wrong!)

I'm not even sure if I believe JA was the only one responsible. I think being a mom makes it really hard to look and listen to JA talk about her child and show no emotion. How can you talk about the last time you saw your child and not absolutely lose it?

I know every time one of my kids has suffered more than just a minor bruise or scrape, I spend the rest of the day blaming myself for not being more protective, for not keeping a closer eye on them, etc. even if there's absolutely nothing I could have done to prevent it. I can't believe she hasn't once said, "I should have brought him with us" or "I should have kept a better eye on him" or asked how she could have kept this from happening.

 

[1&2&3]

No, not another story! How in this world could parents tell another version, completely different, about what happened to their son?!

Do they think none of us remember the first stories out of their mouths? I know, we can even question that as we later found out they arrived the evening earlier than they first told us.

Karma, that is all I can say. These two will one day pay the price for all the lies they have told, plus whatever they did to Little Deorr. IMO.

 

[DatelineFan]

TBC has posted a few.minutes ago that they will no longer post photos or comment on what they are doing for Deorr based on the negative feedback they are receiving.

Big surprise. Priority #1 is the family reputation. 🙄

 

[Deleted member 278]

The conflicting stories from Jessica and Vernal are concerning enough, but when you throw in grandpa's words the gloom grows even darker. He told Klein he thinks there might have been an accident. He told Trina "What's done is done" and then asked if they were going to have a funeral.

 

[Deleted member 278]

TBC has posted a few.minutes ago that they will no longer post photos or comment on what they are doing for Deorr based on the negative feedback they are receiving.

She only mentioned one FB page.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

The conflicting stories from Jessica and Vernal are concerning enough, but when you throw in grandpa's words the gloom grows even darker. He told Klein he thinks there might have been an accident. He told Trina "What's done is done" and then asked if they were going to have a funeral.

:thinking:

:rollercoaster:

:judge:

 

[KatieLiz]

She only mentioned one FB page.

Where do you see that. She says they will no longer share their efforts in finding answers or share posts or pictures of evidence didn't think that meant a specific FB group, but means they will no longer post anything in regards to their search to find answers.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Where do you see that. She says they will no longer share their efforts in finding answers or share posts or pictures of evidence didn't think that meant a specific FB group, but means they will no longer post anything in regards to their search to find answers.

you are correct. I read it wrong.

 

[KatieLiz]

you are correct. I read it wrong.

Lol no worries. I just assumed she had posted another one that I missed so wondered where it was. Thanks for clarifying

 

[Russian Blue]

The conflicting stories from Jessica and Vernal are concerning enough, but when you throw in grandpa's words the gloom grows even darker. He told Klein he thinks there might have been an accident. He told Trina "What's done is done" and then asked if they were going to have a funeral.

Everytime I watch grandpa I think of all of these characters in this tragic drama he is the most conflicted because he admits he is facing his own mortality due to his health and age. He has done everything but come out and say Deorr is gone and we should lay him to rest, deal with those responsible and move on.

 

[koios]

That whole fishing thing is all brand new.

We used to do a lot of camping. And always by a lake or stream. Whenever anyone went fishing, it was a big deal to get everything together and take it to the water. So why didn't they mention that when they first talked about the moments leading up the DeOrr's disappearance? There was never ever any mention of them taking fishing poles and a bucket, and bait and knives, and all that.

And it goes agains their original story about the baby 'about ready' to take his nap. Why would they go fishing if the baby was about ready to go to sleep? Who was supposed to put him down for his nap? Why not just wait until he was asleep in the tent, with GGP watching for him?

That fishing story makes no sense at all, just thrown in at the last minute.

But let's just say for a minute, that they are finally telling the true version. Even if IR suddenly showed up at the water, fishing, it does not mean he is cleared. He could have stashed the baby somewhere, like in a backpack in his tent, and then hiked away with him when he began searching.

But I do agree that it makes no sense that he would see Mom go rushing up to the camp site, and he would not run after to see what was up.

The sleeping arrangments were GGF in trailer, friend in tent, parents and child in Chevy Suburban.
J and IR were fishing at different places on the creek.

 

[koios]

Didn't Jessica say in the video that she & VK went further upstream because the water was running too fast to fish at the spot IR had shown them? Therefore it is possible that where Jessica was fishing in relative calm she could hear VK shouting but IR could only hear the rushing water where he was fishing.

That is a good analysis.