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great post hatfield. 30 threads. shaking my head.
From a bit of googling I am guessing that If V had a GPS phone E-9-1-1 would report his phone's exact GPS location.Re BBM
This is a great thought. Couldnt LE pin down if he was close to her or not when they were both talking to 911 at the same time? Maybe LE has. If not, they should try to do this.
In the current theories of LE and PI investigations, as far as they have been released, what is the most likely time, and place, that something critical happened to the child?
Great. Would that enable one to state something like this?5. We have now, due to the testimony of all witnesses including store employees, clerks, beer distribution drives, fuel handlers, and credible witnesses that have given credible testimony, that we cannot find any person that saw the child go up to the mountain either the day of the event or the evening before. We therefore are now moving our timeline of the event back to 5 p.m. of the day before the 911 call was made.
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/
The 911 calls are, by definition, the very first statements, so all three are very important.
We websleuths, working with only one of them, are working with a third of a pack.
In Idaho, audio of 911 calls can be requested under the FOIA.
Thankyou fo finding that TxJan1971. Useful. Is it possible that the PI's, like us, have access to only the one 911 call and not the others? If I had all 3 recordings my questions would be;Perhaps FOIA wouldn't apply IF "foul play" is suspected and/or IF "a" 911 call is determined to be possible evidence for a future criminal proceeding? But then again, perhaps the new Sheriff may feel differently and may agree to release VDK's 911 call.
FWIW:
1-28-2016
Tricia: Do you think the 911 calls will be made public soon? Can a citizen request copies of them now?
Bowerman: I believe one has already been released and that was in the early stages of just him being missing, but now that weve determined that theres possible foul play, Ive asked my Dispatch Commander not to release any more copies of that but there are copies out there because I think it could be it could be evidence.
Great. Would that enable one to state something like this?
The critical event which happened to the child, definitely happened sometime within the period between 5pm Thursday and 2.28pm Friday.
Is it possible to narrow that period down? Does it need extending in either direction? All improvements welcome.
I'm not versed (!! :blushing: ) but for me it would be more logical if the "event" took place before 5pm Thursday.
Great but what is the earliest possible day and time, in your opinion?I'm not versed (!! :blushing: ) but for me it would be more logical if the "event" took place before 5pm Thursday.
In the full 911 recording I now realize that "John...I ma(de the call)" is at 0:43 which is before V call began (V call reportedly began about 2 mins into J call).
In the background after "I ma(de the call)" is a different voice, and there is only one word of it which is clear enough to understand, the word "yes" at 0:49.
Is that sufficient to accurately identify the speaker with a high degree of accuracy?
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...-released-my-2-year-old-son-we-cant-find-him/
https://www.facebook.com/KleinInves...864945696095/1041693925913191/?type=2&theater
Thankyou fo finding that TxJan1971. Useful. Is it possible that the PI's, like us, have access to only the one 911 call and not the others? If I had all 3 recordings my questions would be;
Exactly how many minutes was it from end of V call to end of J call? Is there engine noise in background of V call? Are there any background voices in V call? How was the question "how long has he been missing?" answered in the V and GGP calls?
Probably, in the theory that it happened before arrival at campsite, the 3 calls would be explained as being all faked as part of a conspiracy? Needing 4 people in on it to make it work, and involving an intricately strange cover up plan, which is MOO a ridiculously complicated theory.If the critical event took place before arrival at the campsite it was illogical for 3 people to, almost simultaneously, call 911 many hours later.
BBM:
Nope.
Q: Why has Deorr Sr.'s 911 call not been released to the public, when Jessica's was?
Klein Investigations and Consulting That is not a question for us and more for LE. We will not release it. We are in possession of all of the 911 calls.
Not if it was all a rouse and or coverup. These people are not playing with full logic to begin with, if they were then we would not be discussing this case.If the critical event took place before arrival at the campsite it was illogical for 3 people to, almost simultaneously, call 911 many hours later.
Real examples
"I've been towing a trailer off my CanAm Spyder"
"I have a 1989 Bronco and want to tow my camper off the bumper hitch"
"I tow off a 4.8 litre petrol Grand Cherokee"
In the real-life colloquial language Americans actually speak, in the context of vehicles and trailers......
"off" frequently means "hitched to"
If the critical event took place before arrival at the campsite it was illogical for 3 people to, almost simultaneously, call 911 many hours later.