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Nothing newWhat is the status of the case now? Are there people searching still in the area, etc? Any locals can tell us?
Nothing newWhat is the status of the case now? Are there people searching still in the area, etc? Any locals can tell us?
I understand the confusion. Maybe it does seem like I am being contradictory, but if we could get into other avenues of investigation...like I have bouncing around in my head...I could explain it better. I do think the clerk mentioning the child being "filthy" and buying candy is pretty specific. Could she be mistaken about the time or perhaps not the time, but the actual day? Sure. And I would accept it as being honest mistake. Could the dad simply be mistaken about a trip to the store and the timeline when he has been asked to account for every single minute of his day by LE? Not likely to be "an honest mistake" if he is off on his timeline. Does that make it as clear as mud now?
I understand the confusion. Maybe it does seem like I am being contradictory, but if we could get into other avenues of investigation...like I have bouncing around in my head...I could explain it better. I do think the clerk mentioning the child being "filthy" and buying candy is pretty specific. Could she be mistaken about the time or perhaps not the time, but the actual day? Sure. And I would accept it as being honest mistake. Could the dad simply be mistaken about a trip to the store and the timeline when he has been asked to account for every single minute of his day by LE? Not likely to be "an honest mistake" if he is off on his timeline. Does that make it as clear as mud now?
I don't know why, but that made me blink. Old friends, new friends, it doesn't matter. I just remember reading way, way back about there being a connection of a family member to the sheriffs department and six degrees of separation came to mind. I'm not reading anything into it. Just shows what a small world it is.
Clear as mud: A clerk messes up the time or day and it's an honest mistake. But a father who's child is missing, who is frantic and desperate makes a mistake on his timeline and it's not "an honest mistake."
The statement puzzled me if she meant the boy was filthy or the man was filthy.
You weren't asking me but -- hypothetically someone could have intentionally stashed little Deorr somewhere in the wilderness between the camp and the store with the plan of someone else picking him up and taking him away. By stopping in the store it cements the theory of an abduction. He could have been filthy and bawling because he was alone in the elements for a period of time. So the sighting could have been correct that it was little Deorr.
AFAIK JM and DK did not confirm their son was filthy or bawling when they went to the store earlier as a family and I also don't believe they confirmed they bought a candy bar - just that they went to get some things.
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I Just can't get past that front door interview. He seemed so shady, and I know he is NOT a suspect, but I do not feel like he was telling the whole story. JMO
I didn't say that. Someone else suggested the clerk recognized DK and Deorr when they were at the store that evening. If the clerk had said it was ONLY Deorr she recognized I would agree it was probably a kidnapper. But the father and son together at 6pm? IMO no way.
eta: I think store clerk saw an adult male and a kid, probably father and son, in a black truck. But the man was not DK.
My understanding is the store clerk was interviewed relatively quickly (within days) of DeOrr's disappearance. I don't think it's very likely that she was confused on the day or time by 5 hours. Maybe it wasn't DeOrr or maybe it wasn't DK. Maybe it wasn't either of them, but I believe she saw a filthy, crying blond boy with a man driving a black truck who gave him candy. No mention of a woman with them. I don't see why this man driving a black truck is "a problem". I don't see why the people the clerk saw had to be DK and DeOrr, and had to be much earlier in the day. If DK and DeOrr weren't there at 6 pm, fine. It doesn't mean the clerk didn't see someone else and was mistaken. Why would the parent insist that the people the clerk saw were they and only they? It feels like DK is trying to force the sighting to fit within his narrative, when it could still be a valid sighting, even if it doesn't fit. Does that make sense?
I was thinking something similar - but if ggp hurt DeOrr due to his dementia, that would be an accident. A terrible, tragic accident, but not something to cover up IMO.
Or unconscious in a trunk...
But isn't that store on a highway that might get lots of traffic from travelers passing thru on the way to/from somewhere else?or, since it was "nap time" - sleeping soundly somewhere away from the campsite...until he was next seen at 6:00 p.m. by the Leadore store clerk????
Interestingly,
As far as # children same age as Deorr FROM "Leadore" that could possibly have been the one the clerk saw, see below stats. (Unsure how accurate this # actually is but gives a general idea).
Also, of the 2 males "under age 5" in Leadore, we don't know if either of them are age 2 like Deorr. We also don't know if they have blonde hair/brown eyes.
(Note: I'm not sure what "other" nearby towns/cities that I could check population of male children under the age of 5 or as close to age 2 1/2 as possible. If anyone knows what other areas to check population stats I can check that out, too. Not sure how much traffic Leadore sees at that store).
Population Demographics for Leadore, Idaho in 2014 and 2015
Total Population:105
Male Population:54
Under 5 years:2
5 to 9 years:4
10 to 14 years:6
15 to 17 years:1
18 and 19 years:1
20 years:0
21 years:0
22 to 24 years:1
25 to 29 years:2
30 to 34 years:1
35 to 39 years:3
40 to 44 years:5
45 to 49 years:5
50 to 54 years:4
55 to 59 years:5
60 and 61 years:0
62 to 64 years:3
65 and 66 years:1
67 to 69 years:0
70 to 74 years:1
75 to 79 years:9
80 to 84 years:0
85 years and over:0
https://suburbanstats.org/population/idaho/how-many-people-live-in-leadore
But doesn't ggp live 2 1/2 hours away from the Sheriff's territory? I feel like he calls him "the grandfather" instead of releasing his name. Is it possible the sheriff is saying the three are POIs because they were there, but not suspects at this time because he's hoping a member of the public will come forward with incriminating information? If someone has been deemed "solid" by the sheriff, someone might be more likely to discount some little anecdote or detail as unimportant. If they're POIs, anyone whose heard one of them yell at their kid on the playground might come forward. Just trying to understand the reason for the gradual change in description over the last few weeks.
What was the date of the interview with the parents? As of that date there was supposedly this rumor going around about the store clerk seeing a gentleman and a young blonde boy matching Deorr's description. So where did this rumor come from? The reporter makes reference to social media in that interview. So where was this rumor on social media? Facebook? Comments on a news article shared on Facebook? Has anyone here seen that rumor? Maybe there wasn't really a rumor. Can we track it down? Look at local news posts prior to the interview?
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or, since it was "nap time" - sleeping soundly somewhere away from the campsite...until he was next seen at 6:00 p.m. by the Leadore store clerk????
Interestingly,
As far as # children same age as Deorr FROM "Leadore" that could possibly have been the one the clerk saw, see below stats. (Unsure how accurate this # actually is but gives a general idea).
Also, of the 2 males "under age 5" in Leadore, we don't know if either of them are age 2 like Deorr. We also don't know if they have blonde hair/brown eyes.
(Note: I'm not sure what "other" nearby towns/cities that I could check population of male children under the age of 5 or as close to age 2 1/2 as possible. If anyone knows what other areas to check population stats I can check that out, too. Not sure how much traffic Leadore sees at that store).
Population Demographics for Leadore, Idaho in 2014 and 2015
Total Population: 105
Male Population: 54
Under 5 years: 2
5 to 9 years: 4
10 to 14 years: 6
15 to 17 years: 1
18 and 19 years: 1
20 years: 0
21 years: 0
22 to 24 years: 1
25 to 29 years: 2
30 to 34 years: 1
35 to 39 years: 3
40 to 44 years: 5
45 to 49 years: 5
50 to 54 years: 4
55 to 59 years: 5
60 and 61 years: 0
62 to 64 years: 3
65 and 66 years: 1
67 to 69 years: 0
70 to 74 years: 1
75 to 79 years: 9
80 to 84 years: 0
85 years and over: 0
https://suburbanstats.org/population/idaho/how-many-people-live-in-leadore
I believe that if LE thought that it could have been the boy and a stranger LE would have had the storekeeper sit down with a sketch artist and they would have attempted to identify the stranger.
And also the need to mention "as a family, we went down to get a few things.", the need to let everyone know. Why?Which leaves everything wide open.