ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #69

[Patch Tuesday]

Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

I believe this is going to be a more complicated case than it looks on the surface. The children's mother (Lori Wallows) recently married a man (Chad Daybell) a few weeks after his wife died. It was presumed the late wife had died of natural causes but was exhumed recently and her death is now being investigated.
The new wife's husband was shot in a family argument earlier this year:

Chandler Police identify man who was shot dead during family fight

The husband and wife are not cooperating with police and have since vanished.

ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS* NO DISCUSSION #2

ID - Joshua Vallow & Tylee Ryan, Rexburg, Sept 2019 - TIMELINE ONLY *NO DISCUSSION*

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[Sillybilly]

OFF TOPIC BUT IMPORTANT

There seems to be some confusion and concerns being expressed about Timeline posts not being linked in the Opening Posts.

Mods, Admins, Coordinators ... we've all had discussion about this over the last year and we just don't know why or when members started requesting WS staff to make all these additions and changes to the Opening Posts of new threads. We are a very limited staff and this is something members have historically done on their own that doesn't create any extra work for WS staff.

It is a very simple system that was set up years ago and has worked well in the past. We don't need to duplicate effort or reinvent the wheel here.

In each forum, i.e. "Located Persons Discussion", members will see at the top of the page, a sub forum called for example "Located Timeline and Media Links"

As you can see, any member can start an appropriately titled new timeline thread within such a forum and make or copy their Timeline posts and all subsequent revisions or updates into that thread. It can be titled something like Vallow & Daybell Media, Maps & Timeline (or just Vallow & Daybell Timeline thread if they want to keep it separate and apart from Media and Maps). If the thread gets titled Media, Maps and Timelines, all members have to do is use the search feature within that thread for the word Timeline. That's what these features are for.

When a member has created the Timeline thread, WS staff link it ONCE in the Opening Post and it never has to be changed again, regardless of whether it's 1 or 100 new discussion threads for any given case.

If there is any question about the above, please contact any Mod or Admin and we'll be glad to clarify.

If nobody else is going to do it for this case, when one of us gets time (not sure when that will be), we will set up the timeline thread for you in this case and copy all of Gardener1850's timeline posts into it. We will update the link in the Opening Post and it will never have to change after that.

Truly hope this clarifies.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Mommacass has now been verified as a family member. We'll leave it to mommacass if they wish to share how they factor into the family relationships in this case.

As a verified member, mommacass does not have to provide links to the information they provide. You may ask mommacass questions but it is up to them whether they answer or not.

Please be respectful to them at all times and do not argue with them or badger them for information.

 

[CocoChanel]

MOD NOTE
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[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Please review The Rules regarding copyright and paywalls.

Circumventing paywall/subscription articles is a violation of copyright law. IOW, if you're expected to pay for it, well ... you're expected to pay for it.

Please get back on track discussing the case itself. Thanks !!

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, April 12th:
*Trial continues (Day 3) (@ 8:30am – 3:30pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – *Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii on 2/20/20) & indicted & charged (5/25/21) & re-arraigned (4/19/22) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6: Lori only: Grand theft (related to social security survivor benefits allocated for the care of minors Tylee & JJ). Plead not guilty. DA will seek DP. Was transferred to Ada County jail on 3/22/23. Fremont County
Conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County
Resisting or obstructing LE, solicitation of a crime & contempt of court. All charges were dismissed on 1/3/22. Madison County
Trial began on 4/3/23 with jury selection & ended 4/7/23. 12 jurors & 6 alternates (10 men & 8 women).
Trial began on 4/10/23 (thru 6/9/23) @ 8:30am to 3:30pm. Trial will be held in Ada County. (will last about 10 weeks) Trials have been severed.
Arrest & Grand Jury & Competency & Court info from 3/5/20 thru 3/30/23 & Jury Selection Day 1-5 (4/3-4/7/23) & Trial Day 1 (4/10/23) reference post #867 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-68.671199/page-44
4/11/23 Tuesday, Trial Day 2: State witness: Rexburg Police Dept. Detective Ray Hermosillo, he became involved in the investigation on Nov. 1 when he was contacted by the Fremont County Sheriff's Office that there was a Jeep in Rexburg that was possibly involved in a homicide.
For more info see post #915 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-68.671199/page-46
For more info see post #931 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-68.671199/page-47
For more info see post #943 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-68.671199/page-48
For more info see post #1157 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-68.671199/page-58
Trial continues on Wednesday, 4/12/23 @ 8:30am & ends every day at 3:30pm.
*Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) – Pretrial motions hearing on 3/2/23. Trial was set to begin on 4/3/23 was vacated.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Continue discussion here.

 

[kittythehare]

 

[Tortoise]

A few people were wondering why Lori's counsel was trying to raise doubt that Chad was looking over his shoulder because he knew where the grave was, by the tree.

I think it must be so they can raise argument against the conspiracy charge, and put this all on a deceased Alex Cox.

I'm interested to know when the ghillie suit was used. Of all the incidents it would make most sense with when the gunman appeared out of nowhere to shoot at Tammy, but she didn't mention a ghillie suit. I suppose they want to try to remove doubt that Lori could have been hiding on the property and watching.

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@jlumfox10
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Thomas on the ghillie suit: That isn’t something that would fit her right? Hermosillo: I can’t answer that

 

[indicolite22]

A few people were wondering why Lori's counsel was trying to raise doubt that Chad was looking over his shoulder because he knew where the grave was, by the tree.

I think it must be so they can raise argument against the conspiracy charge, and put this all on a deceased Alex Cox.

I'm interested to know when the ghillie suit was used. Of all the incidents it would make most sense with when the gunman appeared out of nowhere to shoot at Tammy, but she didn't mention a ghillie suit. I suppose they want to try to remove doubt that Lori could have been hiding on the property and watching.

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@jlumfox10
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Thomas on the ghillie suit: That isn’t something that would fit her right? Hermosillo: I can’t answer that

I think Lori flew to Arizona to see MBP a day before Tammy was shot at:

Police say it’s clear via pictures and videos that Lori stayed with Melani on 10/9. We know Lori had a flight booked from Idaho to AZ the day prior.

Justin Lum - Investigative Reporter

MISSOURI RESEARCH: This email in May 2020 tells us Chandler PD learned that Lori Vallow googled maps of the U.S. on 10/7/19, trying to find out how long it would take to drive from Rexburg to...

www.facebook.com

 

[Tortoise]

Couple of things I'm wondering about -

I'll have to listen again, because I may have skipped past it, but I don't remember them asking Brandon if he had a life insurance policy. I'll update with my findings.

Why didn't the State mention in opening speech that Charles was shot and killed by Alex, which wouldn't implicate Lori or on the face of it be prejudicial to Lori, if they went to the extent of getting Kay to testify about his life insurance policy, and the shooting at Brandon has been included to show common scheme/plan?

 

[GRT]

JMOO -- I think it's safe to say Alex and Chad did all the heavy lifting when it came to the murders.

I'm glad the judge ruled that Princess Lori had to remain in the courtroom. JJ, Tylee, and all those who mourn them deserve at least that much gratification.

I wonder if the Defense will promote the idea that Chad arranged all the killings and was the one who instructed Alex. I wonder if they will say Lori was so inundated with Chad's religious claims that she either thought Tylee and JJ really were taken over by dark spirits and the bodies needed to die in order for her children's real spirits to pass on--or whether Chad and Alex told her they had relocated the children to a safe place where they were being cared for.

I guess we will find out....finally...

Chad has to be squirming. All his manipulation. All his desire to be the lord of life and death.

Jesus wept.

 

[Tortoise]

I'll update with my findings.

I've re-listened from the part where Brandon testified that he was shot at and the State didn't ask him if he had a life policy.

 

[indicolite22]

JMOO -- I think it's safe to say Alex and Chad did all the heavy lifting when it came to the murders.

I'm glad the judge ruled that Princess Lori had to remain in the courtroom. JJ, Tylee, and all those who mourn them deserve at least that much gratification.

I wonder if the Defense will promote the idea that Chad arranged all the killings and was the one who instructed Alex. I wonder if they will say Lori was so inundated with Chad's religious claims that she either thought Tylee and JJ really were taken over by dark spirits and the bodies needed to die in order for her children's real spirits to pass on--or whether Chad and Alex told her they had relocated the children to a safe place where they were being cared for.

I guess we will find out....finally...

Chad has to be squirming. All his manipulation. All his desire to be the lord of life and death.

Jesus wept.

Lori's attorney (Thomas) was trying to insinuate in his cross examination of det. Hermosillo that Chad didn't know about the children being buried on his property (claimed that Chad wasn't looking in the direction of JJ's grave), so I'm guessing that Lori isn't blaming Chad at all.

 

[Tortoise]

I think it would be good if the next witness was the owner of the storage facility, showing the footage of Chad and Lori putting the spare wheel and the back seat of the Jeep into storage, and him patting her butt, before Tammy's death.

 

[indicolite22]

What kind of jury could ever believe that Chad was framed? Who partially burned a body elsewhere and secretly buried the remains on Chad's property that was overlooked by neighbors? Who used Chad's tools to dig two separate graves in the backyard where soil disturbances would be easily noticeable? Who planted body fragments in the fire pit? Who disappeared the raccoon that Chad buried in the pet cemetery?

 

[indicolite22]

In a way Lori's trial might be easier for the witnesses than Chad's. Chad's attorney might be more obnoxious on cross examination than Lori's (Thomas apologised to Kay for not letting her speak freely). I think ZP's testimony will be as important as MG's and I'm intrigued about MBP and AB's accounts.

It was also said in the opening statement that Chad's neighbor will testify about being introduced to Lori only a week after Tammy's death. Reportedly Chad and Lori were all over each other by then.

 

[Tortoise]

In a way Lori's trial might be easier for the witnesses than Chad's. Chad's attorney might be more obnoxious on cross examination than Lori's (Thomas apologised to Kay for not letting her speak freely). I think ZP's testimony will be as important as MG's and I'm intrigued about MBP and AB's accounts.

It was also said in the opening statement that Chad's neighbor will testify about being introduced to Lori only a week after Tammy's death. Reportedly Chad and Lori were all over each other by then.

can you remind me who AB is?

 

[indicolite22]

can you remind me who AB is?

Audrey B, the young friend from Missouri.

 

[Nikynoo]

Couple of things I'm wondering about -

I'll have to listen again, because I may have skipped past it, but I don't remember them asking Brandon if he had a life insurance policy. I'll update with my findings.

Why didn't the State mention in opening speech that Charles was shot and killed by Alex, which wouldn't implicate Lori or on the face of it be prejudicial to Lori, if they went to the extent of getting Kay to testify about his life insurance policy, and the shooting at Brandon has been included to show common scheme/plan?

IMO the shooting of Charles isn’t relevant in this trial, which is dealing with the murders of Tylee, JJ and Tammy. IMO if the prosecution went there it would undermine both this case and the one pending in Arizona.