ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #70

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wenwe4 said:
They also did not bind or burn Charles & Tammy within 2 minutes after their deaths, nor did Zulema bind or burn Alex @ the time of his death. So the zombies don't enter bodies during actual deaths but only "spiritual deaths" that Chad & Lori claim to have happened & everyone just have to "believe and have faith" these people experienced a spiritual death which require all this fasting and casting but real death doesn't need all the castings, bindings, burnings, spells, special powers, prayers, and spiritual visitations?
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I know, it makes my head explode trying to understand their reasoning.o_O
 
Going back through @Niner 's excellent tweet summaries, here's what we've seen so far:

DAY 1 - MON APR 10
- LESLIE BLAKE: Opening statements for State - "The defendant used money, power, and sex to get what she wanted. It didn't matter what it was." [summary]
- JAMES ARCHIBALD: Opening statements for Defense - ""The evidence will show Lori was a kind and loving mother." [summary]
- KAY WOODCOCK (grandmother of JJ): Witness for State - CV's life insurance (Feb 2019) [summary1], JJ's disappearance (Aug 2019) [summary2], wedding items on CV's Amazon account (Oct 2019) [summary3]
- BRANDON BORDEAUX (ex-husband of LVD's niece): Witness for State - attempted shooting from Jeep (Oct 2019) [summary]

DAY 2 - TUE APR 11
- RAY HERMOSILLO (Rexford PD): Witness for State - Jeep surveillance, welfare check & search warrants (Nov 2019) [summary1], discovery of bodies (Jun 2020) [summary2, summary3, summary4, summary5] - continued into Day 3

DAY 3 - WEDN APR 12
- JARED WILLMORE (Madison Co. Sheriff): Witness for State - CD & LVD prison phone call on day bodies were discovered (Jun 2020) [summary]
- JOE POWELL (Fremont Co. Sheriff): Witness for State - surveillance on CD & LVD (Nov 2019), exhumation of TD's body (Dec 2019) [summary]

DAY 4 - THUR APR 13
- MELANIE GIBB (friend of LVD): Witness for State - CD & LVD's initial meeting (Dec 2018), CD & LVD's shared beliefs & affair [summary1], CD & LVD's phone call with MG (Dec 2019) [summary2], MG & DW's visit to LVD's on last day JJ was seen (Sep 2019) [summary3, summary4]
- NATHAN DUNCAN (Chandler PD): Witness for State - shooting of CV (Jul 2019), CD's call to mortuary (Jul 2019), CD's blessing to AC (Jun 2019) [summary1], "CV"'s email to CD & CV's emails to TD (Jun 2019), texts from CV to LVD (Jul 2019), texts between CD & LVD about CV's insurance (Jul 2019); AC's "2manykids" text to LVD (Sep 2019) [summary2] - continued into Day 5

DAY 5 - FRI APR 14
- ZULEMA PASTENES (friend of LVD & wife of AC): Witness for State - CD & LVD's initial meeting (Dec 2018), CD & LVD's shared beliefs & affair [summary1]; "Idiot can't do anything right by himself" on night TD was shot at (Oct 2019); "I think I'm being their fall guy" (Dec 2019) [summary2, summary3] - continued into Day 6

DAY 6 - TUES APR 18
- COLBY RYAN (son of LVD): Witness for State - financial issues [summary1]; prison phone call between CR & LVD (Jul? 2020) [summary2]
- MIKE SAARI (Social Security Administration): Witness for State - social security payments
- CHUCK KUNSAITIS (Rexburg PD): Witness for State - bank statements [summary1], prescriptions, flights - continued on Day 7

DAY 7 - WED APR 19
- MIKE DOUGLASS (FBI): Witness for State - timelines of financials
 
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CROSS-EXAMINATIONS SO FAR:
Kay W - Defense asked why she wanted LVD to raise JJ in the first place*
Brandon B - Defense tried to raise doubt about why MP was divorcing him, whether he'd really seen what he thought he saw with the Jeep
Ray H - Defense asked whose weapons were in garage***; pointed out that LVD was in HI when TD was killed***
Joe P - Defense pointed out that he couldn't hear what CD & LVD were discussing; pointed out that LVD was in HI when TD was killed***
Melanie G - Defense wants entire testimony struck; asks about LVD's church participation, things she did for JJ*; asks about religious beliefs**
Zulema P - Defense asks about religious beliefs**
Colby R - Defense asks about church participation, things LVD did for her kids*

* "But she's a great mom" defense
** "But CD brainwashed them!" defense
*** "But CD and/or AC were acting on their own!" defense
 
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So much information yesterday, there is so much to this case and we are getting so much each day. I am trying to view this from a few perspectives, and often hear that LVD was basically under a spell by CD, my question, do they have any communication right now? I thought not, for several months they have been separate , and her under psych care, so, would he (if he ever did) have that much power over her now? I mean I don't think she is gonna wake up and say oh my god this really happened, I think she is culpable of a lot of things. but curious ... Just my random scattered, messed up thoughts.
 
So much testimony about medication searches. Sounds like Lori wasn’t giving JJ his prescribed medications … but I am also questioning if any drugs were found in his system. I keep going back to when Alex went to Mexico.
 
wenwe4 said:
Not sure Lori's team has much of a defense for her. Very few witnesses for the defense, very few questions for the other witnesses. The only thing I can see as any defense: 1) she was not there when people died. 2) She changed after meeting Chad. 3) Her religious beliefs changed over time. Is she just going to blame Chad & Alex for brainwashing her?
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We do get to follow the money.
I am hoping there are some digital tracking of conversations between c and l regarding HOW Chad could arrange to get the insurance money for Tammy.

Evil = both of them.
Money fraud = Lori.
 
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So much testimony about medication searches. Sounds like Lori wasn’t giving JJ his prescribed medications … but I am also questioning if any drugs were found in his system. I keep going back to when Alex went to Mexico.
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My first thought about the medication search is the same. She took JJ of medications to the severe detriment of his health. She was turning him into a zombie through a slow painful death..........
 
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