GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #76

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I agree with all of this, minus one small piece.
I think based on her words, she doesn’t believe anyone was “murdered”, and if that is the case then she may not support “killing” because she doesn’t even see it that way.

We can't know if she really believes that or not - we can only know what she said. And did. As context, we have to remember what she is saying here is contrary to the evidence of what she planned, said, and did, and contrary to the verdict, and is also something she never claimed in her defense, not even a little bit. Nor did anything in her actions post-mortem support such a ludicrous claim.

But what I noted in my post about her statement wasn't about that claim anyhow, because I don't see that as the crux of her statement.

NOTICE -- Her focus - in great detailed stories - was on the idea that none of what had happened was really bad! She focused on the idea that 'All those dead people, they are doing great, even better than before they were made dead' as well as stories about how she was always good and the dead people really appreciate what happened to them, and if you knew her better or knew what Jesus knows, you would see it as all good! There's no way to argue that those 3 didn't die, so she tried to make that fact (and everything about herself) into a good thing.

Yikes!
 
TRANSCRIPT OF LORI VALLOW'S STATEMENT AT HER SENTENCING 31 JUL 2023:

I would like to start by quoting John from the New Testament in the Bible. In John, chapter eight, verse seven, Jesus says, "ye that is without sin among you, let him cast-- first cast a stone at her. Then in verse fifteen, Jesus says, "ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true."

Jesus knows me, and Jesus understand me. I mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case. Accidental deaths happen. Suicides happen. Fatal side effects from medications happen.

I have a different perspective in life, because in 2002, when I was pregnant with Tylee, I died in the hospital while in labor with her. They tried to stop my labor. They put me on the table and put something in my IV and I felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing near my pregnant body watching the doctors trying to revive me, which took them a few minutes. In that time, my sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as tangible as a physical body, because I knew I was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she needed to show me some things, and we went to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.

Since then, I have had many communications from people now living in heaven, including my children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson, my sisters Stacy and Lolly, my aunts and uncles and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ, the savior of this world, and our Heavenly Parents. I've had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me and even manifested themselves to me.

Because of these communications, I know for a fact that my children are happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with my friend Tammy Daybell, I know that she is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have lost many in this mortal world. However, I know more than most people know: Where they are now and what they're doing. I know how wonderful heaven is and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know we all lived in heaven before we were born on Earth and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm. We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not fear death, but I look forward to it.

I did not want to return to my body when I was out of it, even though my son Colby, who I adored more than anything was only six years old at the time and I was about to give birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly. I was a young mother, and you would think I wouldn't want to leave my children, but as I stood in heaven I did not want to go back. I thought they would be fine without me, because I was peaceful and I was happy and I was home. But then I was told by Jesus that I needed to go back and complete things that I had covenanted or promised to do before I was born. This caused me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my real home, and I only wanted to be there. I was free from pain -- emotional and physical -- but then I was shown how I would help my children and others in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go back to my body.

Tylee has visited me. She is happy and very busy. Tylee is free now from all the pains of her life. Tylee suffered horrible physical pain her whole life. I sat with Tylee in the hospital year after year after year while she screamed in pain when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried and I held back her hair while she threw up, and I am the only person on this Earth who knows how much Tylee suffered in her life. She had pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body did not work right, and I don't know if that was complications from me dying while she was being born or something else, but she had a very difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological father since she was three years old, and she was forced by family court to go visit him for ten years against her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her with my whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about her every single day. Tylee had to get her GED because she couldn't go to school every day because she never felt good. She felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylee, like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to know that she's here for a purpose and that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth, but I never stopped worrying aout her. One of the times Tylee came to me as a spirit after she died, she said-- she commanded me and she said to me "Stop worrying, Mom. We are fine." She knows how I worry and how I miss her.

The first time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put his arm around me, and he said to me, "You didn't do anything wrong, Mom. I love you, and I know you loved me every minute of my life." JJ -- Joshua Jackson -- was an adult spirit, and he was very, very tall when he put his arm around me. He is busy. He is engaged. He has jobs that he does there, and he is so happy where he is. His life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him every minute of his life.

My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren, and I have a great love for Tammy.

My beautiful children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My wonderful friend Tammy Daybell rests safely this day in the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the day when we are reunited and I, too, will rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.



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Thanks for transcribing that so I didn't have to watch it.

I don't believe anything Lori said about Tylee except that we know Tylee had pancreatitis; and if Lori's dense enough to think her having a nonexistent out of body experience is why Tylee had pancreatitis (!?!), well...

I think we need Colby to weigh in behind the scenes on some of this, because this is the first we've heard about its being so severe she couldn't function; and the GED has (IMO) very little to do with it, because it's certainly not like Lori was homeschooling Tylee instead of/leading up to the GED. AFAWK Tylee went to school like an average kid, as per/with Vaisia...
 
for whatever it is worth, which may be nothing, the Prosecution also objected to some details in 2 of 4 victim impact statements. While I agree interrupting is rude, and JT didn’t exactly help make his objections sounds any nicer, I believe they were trying to act within the law on behalf of their client. The very case they cited had, as part of its appeal, details where the prosecution let in parts of victim impact statements that go well beyond the statutory details permissible and how they allowed written statements into the record from people not classified as “victims”.

Sadly, and I am just speculating based on what Vicki shared with some creators and the media + what we heard today, the State didn’t seem to assist much in helping provide the victims’ assistance in writing and submitting only things they’d be allowed to say . I know Vicki wrote that she was left on her own to write to the Court because the State wasn’t helping her much; and if they did I think they would’ve helped respectfully encourage the removal of any statements not allowed as far as the law goes to be entered into the record. As the prosecution said, they objected to details of things that were not proven at trial, were not proven by the evidence introduced at trial, and they couldn’t support specifics like that because it doesn’t align with the evidence and the facts.

It’s easy to assume that the defense is just as slimy and manipulative and whatever other negative remarks, but I think they were focused on the record especially for the future. Personally speaking I’d rather have a victim be unable to say something at sentencing (because it’s beyond the scope of what is allowed under the statute) rather than they be allowed to include those details and the defense later on gets even more to include into their appeal. But that’s just my take on it. I think it could’ve potentially been slightly easier for the victims to read their statements if the State had assisted them and advised them on what was allowed and not allowed, but I’m grateful that despite being objected to they were able to think on the fly and still deliver most of what they had prepared previously.

(And no, I don’t support LV or her attorneys and their objections; solely trying to add context regarding the possibilities for why the objected to such things as seen over the weekend and today).
This is important to remember. A defense attorney truly doing their job is not the same as being infatuated with their client. Many times a client is guilty but they have to do their best for them regardless
 
We can't know if she really believes that or not - we can only know what she said. And did. As context, we have to remember what she is saying here is contrary to the evidence of what she planned, said, and did, and contrary to the verdict, and is also something she never claimed in her defense, not even a little bit. Nor did anything in her actions post-mortem support such a ludicrous claim.

But what I noted in my post about her statement wasn't about that claim anyhow, because I don't see that as the crux of her statement.

NOTICE -- Her focus - in great detailed stories - was on the idea that none of what had happened was really bad! She focused on the idea that 'All those dead people, they are doing great, even better than before they were made dead' as well as stories about how she was always good and the dead people really appreciate what happened to them, and if you knew her better or knew what Jesus knows, you would see it as all good! There's no way to argue that those 3 didn't die, so she tried to make that fact (and everything about herself) into a good thing.

Yikes!
bolded by me for focus.

This. She basically confessed that killing people is good because they are in a better place and they are as happy and busy as all get-out! And she knows because she thinks that spirit world is better too.
Well Lori, why didn't you "leave" this world right after you sent your kids there?

And then to hear her say that Tammy is her friend now. There are no words.

(Sorry for the late jump in here...I was busy today and finally got to watch the proceedings. Still shocked that Lori spoke. )
 
Lori will be extradited to Arizona to face the charges of murdering Charles and the attempted murder of Brandon, right?
If found guilty there too, where will she be placed in prison...Idaho or Arizona?

I would so love her to be roomies with Jodi Arias. Imagine that !
The last thing we need is Jodi cosplaying Lori all day.
 
bolded by me for focus.

This. She basically confessed that killing people is good because they are in a better place and they are as happy and busy as all get-out! And she knows because she thinks that spirit world is better too.
Well Lori, why didn't you "leave" this world right after you sent your kids there?

And then to hear her say that Tammy is her friend now. There are no words.

(Sorry for the late jump in here...I was busy today and finally got to watch the proceedings. Still shocked that Lori spoke. )
I was a mom to two young kids when 9/11 happened. We live in Manhattan. Of course it was a shaking experience. As I processed it, I accepted it's possible I might not come home one day and I had to live my life without fear despite that reality. It was a profound realization, perhaps something like Lori claims to have experienced while giving birth. I recall crying one Sunday during church as I looked around the sanctuary knowing that the people there would help my family and be there for my kids should I die. Horrible thing to think about, yet I felt grateful and at peace. At the same time, I knew, of course, I wasn't about to die and had plenty of work to do while alive. I felt strong and capable. So I kinda, sorta get a tiny bit of what Lori was saying. Maybe.

Except I didn't kill my family one by one and then marry a toad.

jmo
 
TRANSCRIPT OF LORI VALLOW'S STATEMENT AT HER SENTENCING 31 JUL 2023:

I would like to start by quoting John from the New Testament in the Bible. In John, chapter eight, verse seven, Jesus says, "ye that is without sin among you, let him cast-- first cast a stone at her. Then in verse fifteen, Jesus says, "ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true."

Jesus knows me, and Jesus understand me. I mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case. Accidental deaths happen. Suicides happen. Fatal side effects from medications happen.

I have a different perspective in life, because in 2002, when I was pregnant with Tylee, I died in the hospital while in labor with her. They tried to stop my labor. They put me on the table and put something in my IV and I felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing near my pregnant body watching the doctors trying to revive me, which took them a few minutes. In that time, my sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as tangible as a physical body, because I knew I was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she needed to show me some things, and we went to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.

Since then, I have had many communications from people now living in heaven, including my children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson, my sisters Stacy and Lolly, my aunts and uncles and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ, the savior of this world, and our Heavenly Parents. I've had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me and even manifested themselves to me.

Because of these communications, I know for a fact that my children are happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with my friend Tammy Daybell, I know that she is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have lost many in this mortal world. However, I know more than most people know: Where they are now and what they're doing. I know how wonderful heaven is and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know we all lived in heaven before we were born on Earth and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm. We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not fear death, but I look forward to it.

I did not want to return to my body when I was out of it, even though my son Colby, who I adored more than anything was only six years old at the time and I was about to give birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly. I was a young mother, and you would think I wouldn't want to leave my children, but as I stood in heaven I did not want to go back. I thought they would be fine without me, because I was peaceful and I was happy and I was home. But then I was told by Jesus that I needed to go back and complete things that I had covenanted or promised to do before I was born. This caused me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my real home, and I only wanted to be there. I was free from pain -- emotional and physical -- but then I was shown how I would help my children and others in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go back to my body.

Tylee has visited me. She is happy and very busy. Tylee is free now from all the pains of her life. Tylee suffered horrible physical pain her whole life. I sat with Tylee in the hospital year after year after year while she screamed in pain when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried and I held back her hair while she threw up, and I am the only person on this Earth who knows how much Tylee suffered in her life. She had pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body did not work right, and I don't know if that was complications from me dying while she was being born or something else, but she had a very difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological father since she was three years old, and she was forced by family court to go visit him for ten years against her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her with my whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about her every single day. Tylee had to get her GED because she couldn't go to school every day because she never felt good. She felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylee, like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to know that she's here for a purpose and that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth, but I never stopped worrying aout her. One of the times Tylee came to me as a spirit after she died, she said-- she commanded me and she said to me "Stop worrying, Mom. We are fine." She knows how I worry and how I miss her.

The first time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put his arm around me, and he said to me, "You didn't do anything wrong, Mom. I love you, and I know you loved me every minute of my life." JJ -- Joshua Jackson -- was an adult spirit, and he was very, very tall when he put his arm around me. He is busy. He is engaged. He has jobs that he does there, and he is so happy where he is. His life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him every minute of his life.

My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren, and I have a great love for Tammy.

My beautiful children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My wonderful friend Tammy Daybell rests safely this day in the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the day when we are reunited and I, too, will rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.



SOURCE:
“He is busy. He is engaged. He has jobs that he does there, and he is so happy where he is.” Wow. All things young people get to grow up and do: be busy, get engaged, have jobs, be happy where they are.

Interesting she left “has friends” off the list of everything the children she murdered now enjoy.

Even in her twisted view, her kids are isolated and alone, but she doesn’t need to think about them because they are busy.
 
It is surprising that she hever mentioned that NDE and visit to Heaven before, not in her podcasts, not to her friends, family or "followers". Wonder why???

Hahaha, I know why....it is a figment of her imagination. Funny how she and Chad always call everyone in the spirit world "happy and busy".
She didn’t say anything about a Charles Vallow visit now did she…..
 
Thanks for transcribing that so I didn't have to watch it.

I don't believe anything Lori said about Tylee except that we know Tylee had pancreatitis; and if Lori's dense enough to think her having a nonexistent out of body experience is why Tylee had pancreatitis (!?!), well...

I think we need Colby to weigh in behind the scenes on some of this, because this is the first we've heard about its being so severe she couldn't function; and the GED has (IMO) very little to do with it, because it's certainly not like Lori was homeschooling Tylee instead of/leading up to the GED. AFAWK Tylee went to school like an average kid, as per/with Vaisia...
IMO Tylee presented as the adult in that mother/daughter relationship.
Just watching the clips ( we have been privy to) in the past years…Lori must of burdened that precious young girl with horrible things. I still think she was killed because not only was she reaching the age where she could live away from crazy LVD but also take her $monthly & coming of age SS lump payment from her deceased father. She carried with her the real truth about how Charles Vallow died..And would never stand for JJ to suddenly -disappear-
All MOO
 
Lori 'may' be in touch with supernatural beings, but I doubt they're from Heaven !
If you get my drift ?
:eek:

My opinion on her is that she's delusional, but sane, with a cunning craftiness.
I'm so sorry that the last sight on earth for her children was the horrid betrayal by a person who should have loved them the most.
Omo.
 
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