Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #53

[CSIDreamer]

If my friend's children were missing and my friend had asked me to lie about it, I am sure that I would not.

She didn't know they were missing.

 

[Clair Louise]

She didn't know they were missing.

I don't believe that. The police question her about the whereabouts of the children after their mother asked her to lie and she did not know that they were missing?

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't believe that. The police question her about the whereabouts of the children after their mother asked her to lie and she did not know that they were missing?

She thought JJ was with Kay.

 

[Monger]

Even if MG was “not accurate” in her response to LE, it could cause some jurors to question if her other testimony is also “not accurate”. I suppose it depends on how jurors feel about that and from the discussion here it sounds like it could be a mixed bag. MOO

 

[Bluetick40]

MG was fed lies from LVD that KW was trying to kidnap JJ and was out to get her. IMO MG was trying to help her friend (by covering for her to police) so her son didn't get taken away from her. LVD may have told MG that JJ was in hiding from KW and the police were in cahoots with KW. That's MHO and it's still wrong to do.

 

[Monger]

MG was fed lies from LVD that KW was trying to kidnap JJ and was out to get her. IMO MG was trying to help her friend (by covering for her to police) so her son didn't get taken away from her. LVD may have told MG that JJ was in hiding from KW and the police were in cahoots with KW. That's MHO and it's still wrong to do.

IMO, it’s better for MG to admit she lied to LE, which I think she already has, and try to reason why she did so (as you state) to appeal to a jury...rather than to try and argue semantics of a lie versus not accurate. It comes across disingenuous. If the defense asks her outright if she lied, and she says “no...I just wasn’t accurate” I would not be able to take her seriously if I was sitting there. And then it might be an impeachment issue. Sometimes you just have to fall on your sword and admit you were wrong and move on. It goes a long way. All MOO.

 

[indicolite22]

Is that an accurate statement? Or are you lying?

I say this deliberately because one is not the opposite of the other.

Word for word, Prior asks "is that an accurate statement", and she says "no" about JJ having been with her.

But police were looking for where JJ was at that moment. They learned he was not with her.

Obviously, she was trying to avoid saying "what my best friend told you was a lie, he was never with me, she fabricated the whole thing".

Do you have any friends? If police called asking questions would you say your friend was a liar without knowing the full story?

JJ was never with MG. It was the prosecutor Rob Wood who first brought up her lie in court. He asked her what she told the police that day (Nov 26) and if it was accurate. She then explained why she lied. It's not like they were trying to cover up her lie that occured BEFORE she went to police voluntarily and told them the whole story.

 

[indicolite22]

Scott Reisch believes that Chad's attorney needs to come up with a much better justification for separate trials than the present one (too much publicity).

Scott explains Idaho criminal rule 14 (Relief from prejudicial joinder). Nowhere in it media attention is quoted as a possible basis for no joinder. He says he'd be surprised if the cases weren't joined for trial.

 

[Colorado303]

She didn't know they were missing.

If police call asking if someone else’s children are with you when they aren’t, it’s a safe bet they’re missing.

jmo

 

[Colorado303]

Scott Reisch believes that Chad's attorney needs to come up with a much better justification for separate trials than the present one (too much publicity).

Scott explains Idaho criminal rule 14 (Relief from prejudicial joinder). Nowhere in it media attention is quoted as a possible basis for no joinder. He says he'd be surprised if the cases weren't joined for trial.

Question: If defense strategy for one co-conspiracy defendant is blaming the other co-conspirator would that be reason enough to have separate trials?

 

[indicolite22]

Question: If defense strategy for one co-conspiracy defendant is blaming the other co-conspirator would that be reason enough to have separate trials?

In the video opposing defenses are listed as valid reasons for separate trials (along with a few other possibilities). Prior would be giving away his strategy if he used it in the objection to a joint trial.

 

[indicolite22]

If police call asking if someone else’s children are with you when they aren’t, it’s a safe bet they’re missing.

jmo

Lori and Chad got to MG before the police and tried to convince her otherwise.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

She thought JJ was with Kay.

MG was fed lies from LVD that KW was trying to kidnap JJ and was out to get her. IMO MG was trying to help her friend (by covering for her to police) so her son didn't get taken away from her. LVD may have told MG that JJ was in hiding from KW and the police were in cahoots with KW. That's MHO and it's still wrong to do.

That's why the phone call that she did was so strange as she was speaking with Lori that the kids were not with Kay. That interaction just didn't seem to jive with her other story, in her stated belief at that time that Kay had met Lori at the airport after Lori had told Kay supposedly she had cancer and therefore had to take JJ. MOO

 

[GRT]

If police call asking if someone else’s children are with you when they aren’t, it’s a safe bet they’re missing.

jmo

Missing, yes, but not necessarily victims of foul play. Remember that LV told MG that Kay was trying to get JJ and that she wasn't going to let that happen.

Until they found the bodies, I actually held out hope that the children would be found living with preppers somewhere.

At that point, MG had no reason to suspect LV of killing her children, so she probably grudgingly lied, thinking it was all about a custody fight, but almost immediately afterward felt bad about it and recanted.

I don't think she knew Tylee was missing yet. Supposedly Tylee had gone off to college.

 

[Kemug]

Some of you seem to have a lot more knowledge of psychological disorders, cults, etc than I do. So I am wondering if you have any thoughts on the following: Is it possible, do you think, that Lori may one day return to normal, realise what she has done, and be stricken with grief and remorse?

 

[Laughing]

Some of you seem to have a lot more knowledge of psychological disorders, cults, etc than I do. So I am wondering if you have any thoughts on the following: Is it possible, do you think, that Lori may one day return to normal, realise what she has done, and be stricken with grief and remorse?

Hmmm, I do have a sort of old degree in Pyschology, and one in Education, and another in Human Development, but certainly am not qualified to diagnose our Lori here.

I can see her suddenly "realizing" that the evil Chad Daybell wrongly convinced her of his non-orthodox views, tricked & manipulated she & her loving brother into his hands-off murder spree.

Oh, woe is me, I fell for his fiction! Chad's lies cost me my brave loving husband, my wonderful children, my stalwart brother! Woe is MEEEEE!

(And, there's always Lady MacBeth, trying to wash the blood of murder from her hands to no avail...Shakespeare knew a thing or two about humans.)

JMHO YMV LRR LRR LRR LRR

 

[Forever Young]

She thought JJ was with Kay.

Except that she testified that she asked Chad, "You mean they're not with Kay?". This supposedly occurred on the day of the welfare check, when Chad called asking her not to pick up the phone when Rexburg police called.

Part of the problem is that this group believed in a government conspiracy with police being part of the dark force.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Except that she testified that she asked Chad, "You mean they're not with Kay?". This supposedly occurred on the day of the welfare check, when Chad called asking her not to pick up the phone when Rexburg police called.

Part of the problem is that this group believed in a government conspiracy with police being part of the dark force.

Kind of proves the point she thought JJ was with Kay. Jmo

 

[Forever Young]

Some of you seem to have a lot more knowledge of psychological disorders, cults, etc than I do. So I am wondering if you have any thoughts on the following: Is it possible, do you think, that Lori may one day return to normal, realise what she has done, and be stricken with grief and remorse?

Not qualified to diagnose, but Cluster B personality disorders remain constant and are very hard to treat, according to what I've read. Cluster B disorders tend to only get worse with age.

Schizophrenia can be treated with medication. Both conditions have been speculated on in regard to what might be wrong with Lori, and though it is rare, she could actually have both conditions.

 

[indicolite22]

That's why the phone call that she did was so strange as she was speaking with Lori that the kids were not with Kay. That interaction just didn't seem to jive with her other story, in her stated belief at that time that Kay had met Lori at the airport after Lori had told Kay supposedly she had cancer and therefore had to take JJ. MOO

When MG visited Lori on September 19-23, they discussed Lori's intent to give JJ to Kay (or some other JJ's close relative). Not long after Lori told MG that JJ was now with Kay. After the welfare check on November 26 Lori called MG to lie for her that JJ was with her. That's when MG learned that JJ was not with Kay. Lori told her that JJ and Lori were in danger and he was in hiding. On the same day MG lied for her to police. Afterwards MG spoke to Lori at least two more times (according to available interviews and/or court documents) before recording the call with Lori and Chad on December 8. On that call MG asks Lori directly: "Remember when we were talking that JJ was going to Kay's house and he went there and now he's not there. I was wondering what happened?" IMO MG was trying to get Lori to repeat/confirm on the recording what she told her early on (that JJ was with Kay), what she told her after the welfare check (that he was in hiding but safe), and explain the reason for the change. I don't see any contradictions on MG's part stemming from that phone call.