Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #53

[Forever Young]

Kind of proves the point she thought JJ was with Kay. Jmo

But by the time the police got a hold of her, MG had already been informed by Chad that Kay did not have JJ, according to her own testimony.

 

[indicolite22]

Kind of proves the point she thought JJ was with Kay. Jmo

Yes, before she was asked to lie. She was told a different story afterwards.

 

[GiGi4277]

Have the children's bodies been released to family members yet? I'm assuming "no" because I haven't seen any updates. If that's the case, the ME has had their remains for 3 months now.

From what I have read, no.

 

[CSIDreamer]

From what I have read, no.

I hope and pray they do the right thing and bury these children together when their remains are released. I'm sure they will. Jmo

 

[Monger]

Scott Reisch believes that Chad's attorney needs to come up with a much better justification for separate trials than the present one (too much publicity).

Scott explains Idaho criminal rule 14 (Relief from prejudicial joinder). Nowhere in it media attention is quoted as a possible basis for no joinder. He says he'd be surprised if the cases weren't joined for trial.

I’m dying to see MM’s objection to joinder, once he files it. Very curious if he will tip his hand and say LVD will be pointing fingers at CD or if it’s like JP’s objection which tends to indicate they *might* be holding strong and not ready to blame each other quite yet. MOO

 

[Lyrarya]

Scott Reisch believes that Chad's attorney needs to come up with a much better justification for separate trials than the present one (too much publicity).

Scott explains Idaho criminal rule 14 (Relief from prejudicial joinder). Nowhere in it media attention is quoted as a possible basis for no joinder. He says he'd be surprised if the cases weren't joined for trial.

I wonder if we all will get to hear it argued out with the judge or not.

 

[mickey2942]

Not qualified to diagnose, but Cluster B personality disorders remain constant and are very hard to treat, according to what I've read. Cluster B disorders tend to only get worse with age.

Schizophrenia can be treated with medication. Both conditions have been speculated on in regard to what might be wrong with Lori, and though it is rare, she could actually have both conditions.

Lori is too functional for schizophrenia. As far as I am concerned, she planned to kill her children, so she could live on their Social Security, other funds. It was planned, calculated, premeditated and deliberate.

I think that it had been hurried up though, it seems like maybe Tylee was ready to bolt, with JJ. And she was killed before they had actually planned her death.

I think that Lori lived in some fantasy, where no one would ever know or bother her about the children. She almost got away with it. I believe that if CD and LVD had left the country, for a place with no extradition, she wouldn't be in jail now.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Kind of proves the point she thought JJ was with Kay. Jmo

But obviously, with testimony, she did not think anything of the sort in the prelim. She was discussing on the phone call with Lori played in court that "is Kay trying to kidnap them" etc. Moo.

When is the point in time you are referring to that she thought JJ was with Kay? It certainly was not on that phone call.


MOO

What is your timeline that she thought JJ was with Kay ... as it surrounds that phone call played in court?

ETA: thanks for below....

When MG visited Lori on September 19-23, they discussed Lori's intent to give JJ to Kay (or some other JJ's close relative). Not long after Lori told MG that JJ was now with Kay. After the welfare check on November 26 Lori called MG to lie for her that JJ was with her. That's when MG learned that JJ was not with Kay. Lori told her that JJ and Lori were in danger and he was in hiding. On the same day MG lied for her to police. Afterwards MG spoke to Lori at least two more times (according to available interviews and/or court documents) before recording the call with Lori and Chad on December 8. On that call MG asks Lori directly: "Remember when we were talking that JJ was going to Kay's house and he went there and now he's not there. I was wondering what happened?" IMO MG was trying to get Lori to repeat/confirm on the recording what she told her early on (that JJ was with Kay), what she told her after the welfare check (that he was in hiding but safe), and explain the reason for the change. I don't see any contradictions on MG's part stemming from that phone call.

 

[CSIDreamer]

But obviously, with testimony, she did not think anything of the sort in the prelim. She was discussing on the phone call with Lori played in court that "is Kay trying to kidnap them" etc. Moo.

When is the point in time you are referring to that she thought JJ was with Kay? It certainly was not on that phone call.


MOO

What is your timeline that she thought JJ was with Kay ... as it surrounds that phone call played in court?

The day Chad called her.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Not qualified to diagnose, but Cluster B personality disorders remain constant and are very hard to treat, according to what I've read. Cluster B disorders tend to only get worse with age.

Schizophrenia can be treated with medication. Both conditions have been speculated on in regard to what might be wrong with Lori, and though it is rare, she could actually have both conditions.

hehehehe, I can just giggle at the thought that Prior would base his severance on the basis that Lori has Shizophrenia.

She would be coming through that portal with her nails and claws out for sure! MOO

 

[Forever Young]

New Scott Reisch timeline:

 

[Sheila Terranova]

New Scott Reisch timeline:

That photo of her smiling, flirting and dancing after murdering her own daughter and her adopted son in ice cold blood, ...just horror. Very insulting to schizophrenics to categorize her as one, imho. Their madness is innocent of self -serving cunning. Sociopath, on the other hand, lacking conscience, empathy or remorse, seems more like her.

 

[BeachSky]

Lori is too functional for schizophrenia. As far as I am concerned, she planned to kill her children, so she could live on their Social Security, other funds. It was planned, calculated, premeditated and deliberate.

I think that it had been hurried up though, it seems like maybe Tylee was ready to bolt, with JJ. And she was killed before they had actually planned her death.

I think that Lori lived in some fantasy, where no one would ever know or bother her about the children. She almost got away with it. I believe that if CD and LVD had left the country, for a place with no extradition, she wouldn't be in jail now.

This! I agree!
Follow the money.

 

[887sMtreme]

hehehehe, I can just giggle at the thought that Prior would base his severance on the basis that Lori has Shizophrenia.

She would be coming through that portal with her nails and claws out for sure! MOO

BBM But not because she has schizophrenia — just because she is Lori.
(One of my best friends has schizophrenia, diagnosed at age 15. She was a transatlantic flight attendant for 25 years in spite of it. She’s one of the sweetest, funniest people I know, and bright. I know you didn’t mean to to dis anybody but Lori with your comment! Just making a point in case someone raises the same possibility but without your good judgment behind it.)

 

[Colorado303]

Some of you seem to have a lot more knowledge of psychological disorders, cults, etc than I do. So I am wondering if you have any thoughts on the following: Is it possible, do you think, that Lori may one day return to normal, realise what she has done, and be stricken with grief and remorse?

Based on her history of moves, lawsuits, dead husbands, lies and short-term ride or die BFFs I believe this IS and has been Lori’s normal. But I fully expect her to fake the reaction you describe.

It’s a mistake to ever believe anything that comes out of that woman’s mouth. Then, now or ever.

jmo

 

[Colorado303]

Not qualified to diagnose, but Cluster B personality disorders remain constant and are very hard to treat, according to what I've read. Cluster B disorders tend to only get worse with age.

Schizophrenia can be treated with medication. Both conditions have been speculated on in regard to what might be wrong with Lori, and though it is rare, she could actually have both conditions.

Can people w/schizophrenic delusions turn them off whenever it suits them? I don’t think so.

 

[acutename]

Can people w/schizophrenic delusions turn them off whenever it suits them? I don’t think so.

we really know very little about LVD as far as her health- only that CV tried to have her evaluated/committed and that nothing came of it at that time.

 

[indicolite22]

we really know very little about LVD as far as her health- only that CV tried to have her evaluated/committed and that nothing came of it at that time.

At the end of January Lori told MG that she was evaluated at a clinic and that she passed with flying colors. There were also comments regarding Lori's mental state made by an expert during Lori's custody battle for Tylee, indicating that she had a history of weird claims.

 

[Kemug]

Thanks for your answers to my question re Lori's mental condition (if any), and if she may possibly return to normal and be filled with grief and remorse. I found Colorado303's reply the most convincing - ie that what we know of and have seen of Lori is her normal. And that she may well fake a "recovery", grief and remorse to help her cause. I hadn't thought of that, but of course it's really likely. And now I am prepared!

 

[acutename]

Lori is too functional for schizophrenia. As far as I am concerned, she planned to kill her children, so she could live on their Social Security, other funds. It was planned, calculated, premeditated and deliberate.

I think that it had been hurried up though, it seems like maybe Tylee was ready to bolt, with JJ. And she was killed before they had actually planned her death.

I think that Lori lived in some fantasy, where no one would ever know or bother her about the children. She almost got away with it. I believe that if CD and LVD had left the country, for a place with no extradition, she wouldn't be in jail now.

I am not sure how easy it would have been to get the SS benefits in another country. Maybe easier than I imagine. It does seem that it would be normal for TR's benefits to be
issued to her parent or guardian while a minor- the program is designed that way:

Are Social Security Survivor Benefits for Children Considered Taxable Income?
Social Security Benefits for Children
Social security benefits are paid to children if they have a deceased parent and are under 18 years old, or 19 years old if they’re enrolled full-time in elementary or secondary school. Other children, such as stepchildren, grandchildren, or adopted children, may also qualify for benefits. Children can receive benefits at any age if they were disabled before 22 years old and remain disabled. Children can receive up to 75% of the deceased parent’s benefit.

Social security benefits for children are never treated as taxable income for the parent or guardian.

Parents Receiving Checks on Behalf of Children
Most checks for Social Security survivor benefits are made out to an adult, such as a parent, on the child's behalf.

news reports said that LDV was using TR's "bank card"

New info revealed in Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan disappearance
www.12news.com › article › news › crime › lori-vallo...
Feb 21, 2020 - 12 News has obtained the probable cause statement for Lori Vallow, the Idaho mother ... Tylee's bank card was used after she went missing ... That same day, a search warrant on Vallow's and Daybell's condo in Kaua'i found ...

not sure if she had a separate account into which her benefits had been deposited before or if there was some special arrangement in this case.

I am not sure how much planning was done for these crimes and the move to Hawaii. CD still had his house and business in ID; they were not sold for cash. I guess there is premeditation for murder, and then there is "planning" in some more long term way. The way these two ran off to Hawaii and were spending money made me think that maybe TD managed the money in the D household and now these two were just on a spree. IMO. It is also a weird contradiction that LVD or CD was telling people that LVD was an "empty nester," and telling other people that she was was hiding the children from family members who wanted to take them. They would have to assume that none of these people would ever meet each other- I think that telling MG that KW both had the children and that she wanted to kidnap them was the beginning of the end of this fantasy IMO. it is more evidence that the children at some point just became a cash stream to LVD, and that they did cease to be people to her. IMO. FWIW, in pictures, they seem to be clean, clothed and well fed which might have made her seem to be a caring parent to an observer.