Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #62

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I am really surprised Prior hasn't pushed for Chad to divorce Lori. How can the defense just say it's Alex all the way and Lori and Chad knew nothing? I don't think defense will so to blame Lori and Alex seems like he should divorce her..? Jmo moo moo ..we can figure out from this what Prior is doing. The Daybells what ever you what to call the 5 of them...Are as delusional as Chad and Lori and anyone in their little cult..If they think this will sway people's opinions..NOT..which one of them is the big large one who looks exactly like Chad? Because if it's Garth, there are some problems there..As seen on Reddit..Easily looked up by his brother in law. Jmo moo ..

I don't know which is Garth for certain, but I thought someone pegged him as the boy who was standing next to Chad at Tammy's gravesite, which would make him one of the two slighter boys.
 
No, anybody who has been raised in the Church, including Chad and Tammy's children, should be able to see that something is very seriously wrong here. Even Charles, who converted to the Church, clearly saw that something was really wrong with Lori's beliefs (which she picked up from Chad) and tried to get help. So why do Chad's children appear to be different?
SBM, BBM. My theory is that his children didn't know of the full extent of Chad's wayward beliefs and don't believe now that he authored the zombie doctrine. "He has been framed" works for them there, too.
But let's assume for a moment though that Chad is completely innocent of any direct involvement in the children's horrific deaths and burial (I know, a very difficult thing to do), then how did he not ask any questions about the children, and where they were, before they got married?
SBM, BBM. To me there's no way that he didn't know where they were the entire time. If he had no idea the children were buried in his back yard, he wouldn't sound like a zombie when Lori called him from jail on June 9. There would be no reason to worry if nothing was there. By then he knew that his life as a free man was over.
 
I'm sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you here.

I don't know the culture of the family, but we have one of Chad's brothers who says he's gone off the deep end. We have Tammy's family who don't support him. We have other extended family and friends, including a verified insider on these boards, who have actively supported the investigation against Chad in searching for the missing children. Other family members can clearly see that something is very wrong here. So why do his children seem different?

As far as religious beliefs go, I was born and raised in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I know a lot about it. And sure, there are teachings about honoring and obeying your parents, loving one another, forgiveness and repentance, faith, hope, and charity, etc. But there are also teachings about NOT murdering people, obeying, honoring, and sustaining the laws of the land, honesty and integrity, personal responsibility and accountability, chastity and fidelity to one's spouse, avoiding even the appearance of evil, keeping sacred covenants, taking care of and protecting one's family and children, loving one another, following the prophet and teachings of the Church, and on and on. Clearly Chad made some choices which are diametrically opposed to the teachings of the Church, and in fact has established his own peculiar brand of religion which has nothing to do with the Church he was raised in. Zombies, multiple mortal probations, extreme prepping for the end of the world, extra-dimensional portals, classifying different levels of light and dark spirits, etc., etc., are all as foreign to the teachings of the Church as anything I've ever heard and sound like they've come straight out of D&D manual or something (no offense to D&D or anything - I can enjoy and appreciate fantasy as much as the next person). No, anybody who has been raised in the Church, including Chad and Tammy's children, should be able to see that something is very seriously wrong here. Even Charles, who converted to the Church, clearly saw that something was really wrong with Lori's beliefs (which she picked up from Chad) and tried to get help. So why do Chad's children appear to be different?



Another thing that bothers me is the fact that Lori did have children, and Chad knew it. How can Chad's children not look at this and ask questions? Sure, Lori may be a seducer, but did she seduce Chad enough to participate in the murder and/or burial of the children? If so, where's Chad's personal accountability in all of this? Thus far he hasn't ever shown or accepted any personal responsibility or accountability, and has only lawyered up and remained mum on the issue. But let's assume for a moment though that Chad is completely innocent of any direct involvement in the children's horrific deaths and burial (I know, a very difficult thing to do), then how did he not ask any questions about the children, and where they were, before they got married? I mean he did help move their belongings into a storage unit after all. And especially afterwards when the police came looking for the children? Why did he pretend to the police that he didn't know Lori very well, when they were husband and wife at that point? How about when it becomes national headlines that her children are missing - is that a good time to start asking, "hey honey, where exactly are your children and why are the police looking for them?" if he was completely innocent? Or how about when Lori is collecting social security and other payments on her children, when her children are clearly not in her care and custody? You'd think maybe then he'd have a sit down with her and maybe discuss the illegalities of that? Or how about when the police detain you while they serve a search warrant on your vehicle and property while you're on vacation in Hawaii, followed by Nate Eaton and a camera crew following you around asking where the children are? Might that be a good time to have a heart to heart with your significant other about where her children are? And when and how do you share the fact that you just got married to a new woman with children to your own family and children? Would Knott's Berry Farm at a family vacation be a good time? "Guess what children, you have a new mom and step brothers and a step sister! I don't know where they're at at the moment, but hey, congratulations!" Or do you conveniently leave those details out of it? Would a good time to talk to your new wife about her missing children be when she is arrested? "Hey honey, I've got us a lawyer, we're going to help you, but you need to let us know what is going so that we can get this taken care of." How about when you are back home living in Idaho with your children and grandchildren under the same roof, with anybody and everybody asking questions about the new wife and missing children? Maybe then would be a good time to find out once and for all what happened to her children so that you can live peaceably with your own family in the same household? Or perhaps after your own arrest and being charged with several felonies would be a good time to start asking questions of your new wife about why and how her children ended up dead and buried in your own backyard without your knowledge? I mean up to this point you've had a good 10+ months to be having these hard discussions with this woman. These are some of the questions I'd be asking my father if I were his children.

I'm sorry, but no matter how you look at it there is no way Chad is innocent in any of this. Even if he didn't commit any of the acts directly he's had plenty of time and opportunity to find out what was going on and do the right things to bring resolution to the case. The fact that he hasn't speaks volumes as to his culpability in the children's murders and trying to cover up the crimes. And the fact that he's been so loyal to Lori also speaks volumes of Tammy's situation as well... which would be deeply troubling to me if I were one of their children.

All MOO.

But I have to disagree with you. I do understand that one would be defensive about their sacred beliefs. But, to think that there is no connection within LDS doctrine and these two.... is just not true. I believe there is plenty of factual evidence that core beliefs in LDS HAVE really influenced so many of these people---not just our "murderers".

I feel certain the the majority of us here following this case, know these are two very guilty individuals, but I feel it is naive to not see the connections to their original faith.

This is why I soooo hope the prosecution charges in right from the start to address the "money" and the "greed"... and NOT with their religious fanaticism BECAUSE there are areas where what these two were doing were connected to the Church....prepping, "end of times", some of the people who were represented in the various past lives.

AND, now hearing about these Daybell kids, I could see where it will be brought in to confuse. I really can. Framed?? How?? From his beliefs, perhaps. I truly believe to be real sleuths in this case..we have to know more about the core beliefs.

The Huntsmans, preeminent LDS citizens, own the Salt Lake Tribune, and Deseret News is a business owned by the CHurch.... I think they are both excellent news outlets, and BOTH have covered this topic. This article in the SLT, says a lot about some of those connections.


The end is near? Why some Latter-day Saints (hey, it’s in their church’s name) and others think it is.
 
Haven't we been led to believe they have 1000s of phone records? I would think just about anything these kids would say would be dissed by any phone records.

I think these kids were just set up to muddle up the muddled mess even more...
 
Preview of the Wednesday's 48 Hours episode:

Sneak peek: The Secrets of Chad Daybell's Backyard

Chad's daughter EM: "My father needs someone to be a voice for him... To let people know what's real, what we know."

It seems like Chad's children live in an alternate reality. We have an answer to the question on how it was possible that Chad had nothing to do with the children being buried in his back yard.

EM: "He was framed."
I'm happy that the Daybell children are speaking up. I'd love to get their insights. They, perhaps more than anyone, are in an intimate position with Chad and have thought long and hard about what they know of him and trying to reconcile it with the accusations leveled against him. I truly hope they can provide another perspective.

However, I also feel that they may be desperately trying to defend the indefensible.

Who 'framed' Chad? Was it Lori? If so he's had plenty of time and opportunity to distance himself from her, especially after her arrest. Thus far he hasn't. Was it Alex? Alex died in December, and along with that any influence Alex may have had over Chad? Someone else? Who else could have been in a position to murder these poor children and frame Chad for it? And what about Tammy? Who caused her death? Who compelled Chad to raise her life insurance policy shortly before her death? And Chad's a big guy, who could have hog-tied him, flew him out to Hawaii, and then forced him and Lori to get married on the beach? Who was out there with a gun to his head forcing him not to talk to the police or news media at any point of the investigation? Who's forcing Melani Gibb and others to give testimony, under oath, of evidence which is damning to Chad? Maybe Melani is the culprit who so masterfully 'framed' their father?

So they're claiming their dad is the victim in all of this? What about the real victims - two lovely and innocent children, and two former spouses, who all lost their lives to the greed, lust, and selfishness of Chad and Lori? What about the other unmentioned victims such as grandparents, parents, siblings, children (including the Daybell children), aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, friends, followers, and so many more, who have been left in the wake of destruction left by Chad and Lori's actions? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying what they're selling right now. The only person who 'framed' Chad is Chad Guy Daybell.

And he can be a voice for himself, to defend himself in all of this. And he doesn't need anyone else to "let the people know what's real," he can do it himself. But he hasn't yet. Why? Because he knows he doesn't have a defense.

JMO.
 
I'm curious what potential good could come from this interview if you're in the CD camp?
Remember how Lori's mother stated before her and SS' interview that "they had a goal"? The goal remains the same here: to change the public opinion about your loved one that (in your view) has been unjustly vilified. IMO, it's an attempt at influencing the jury pool.
 
I believe that CD's children are going with "Innocent until proven guilty". And, I am okay with this.

Chad Daybell has been "Accused", he is not yet convicted. And, even if he is convicted, I wouldn't put any blame on his children for supporting their father.
 
SBM, BBM. My theory is that his children didn't know of the full extent of Chad's wayward beliefs and don't believe now that he authored the zombie doctrine. "He has been framed" works for them there, too.

SBM, BBM. To me there's no way that he didn't know where they were the entire time. If he had no idea the children were buried in his back yard, he wouldn't sound like a zombie when Lori called him from jail on June 9. There would be no reason to worry if nothing was there. By then he knew that his life as a free man was over.
Absolutely agree with you.

I was trying to take the perspective of being Chad or one of Chad's children though. If I was trying to defend him and say he knew nothing about the children up until their bodies were found, then that begs the question of why didn't he know anything about her children, or where they were, or why were the police harassing them about it? It seems unbelievably irresponsible and inept of him (or anyone for that matter) to dive headfirst into a marriage relationship not knowing anything about the person or their children.

That's one of the reasons why I absolutely do believe he knew about the children, what exactly happened to them, and where they were. You can hear it in his voice in that phone call. He was a broken man. He knew they were about to find the bodies and his whole world was crashing down around him. And he knew he was being recorded and was trying to figure out a way to let Lori know about the situation without giving it away that he was guilty in the process.

What makes the whole situation worse for me and tragic is that he is stringing this whole thing along and not accepting accountability for his actions. He's further victimizing his own children by allowing them to believe (if not directly telling them) that he's innocent by not coming out and telling the truth about what happened and his role in everything. It's selfish, shameful, and continues to create victims in this tragic saga.
 
@Onsdag Chad Daybell has lived his entire life as a narcissistic sociopath. He thinks that he is too "special" for the rest of the world. A review of his marriage to TD, and reading TD's obituary, shows a woman who worked 2 and 3 jobs to support CD, while he had time to write, and travel to "prepper" meetings.

I have no doubt that he views everyone through a lens of "What can this person do for me?". Including his own children.
 
I was trying to take the perspective of being Chad or one of Chad's children though. If I was trying to defend him and say he knew nothing about the children up until their bodies were found, then that begs the question of why didn't he know anything about her children, or where they were, or why were the police harassing them about it? It seems unbelievably irresponsible and inept of him (or anyone for that matter) to dive headfirst into a marriage relationship not knowing anything about the person or their children.
SBM. He ran with the "evil grandma" theory. His children believed it and so did the AVOW owner for a while. He could claim that Lori took her children into hiding and he didn't know where. The problem is, he told his relatives that Lori had no minor children. That closed the door to reuniting with them and introducing them later.
 
I'm sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you here.

I don't know the culture of the family, but we have one of Chad's brothers who says he's gone off the deep end. We have Tammy's family who don't support him. We have other extended family and friends, including a verified insider on these boards, who have actively supported the investigation against Chad in searching for the missing children. Other family members can clearly see that something is very wrong here. So why do his children seem different?

As far as religious beliefs go, I was born and raised in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I know a lot about it. And sure, there are teachings about honoring and obeying your parents, loving one another, forgiveness and repentance, faith, hope, and charity, etc. But there are also teachings about NOT murdering people, obeying, honoring, and sustaining the laws of the land, honesty and integrity, personal responsibility and accountability, chastity and fidelity to one's spouse, avoiding even the appearance of evil, keeping sacred covenants, taking care of and protecting one's family and children, loving one another, following the prophet and teachings of the Church, and on and on. Clearly Chad made some choices which are diametrically opposed to the teachings of the Church, and in fact has established his own peculiar brand of religion which has nothing to do with the Church he was raised in. Zombies, multiple mortal probations, extreme prepping for the end of the world, extra-dimensional portals, classifying different levels of light and dark spirits, etc., etc., are all as foreign to the teachings of the Church as anything I've ever heard and sound like they've come straight out of D&D manual or something (no offense to D&D or anything - I can enjoy and appreciate fantasy as much as the next person). No, anybody who has been raised in the Church, including Chad and Tammy's children, should be able to see that something is very seriously wrong here. Even Charles, who converted to the Church, clearly saw that something was really wrong with Lori's beliefs (which she picked up from Chad) and tried to get help. So why do Chad's children appear to be different?



Another thing that bothers me is the fact that Lori did have children, and Chad knew it. How can Chad's children not look at this and ask questions? Sure, Lori may be a seducer, but did she seduce Chad enough to participate in the murder and/or burial of the children? If so, where's Chad's personal accountability in all of this? Thus far he hasn't ever shown or accepted any personal responsibility or accountability, and has only lawyered up and remained mum on the issue. But let's assume for a moment though that Chad is completely innocent of any direct involvement in the children's horrific deaths and burial (I know, a very difficult thing to do), then how did he not ask any questions about the children, and where they were, before they got married? I mean he did help move their belongings into a storage unit after all. And especially afterwards when the police came looking for the children? Why did he pretend to the police that he didn't know Lori very well, when they were husband and wife at that point? How about when it becomes national headlines that her children are missing - is that a good time to start asking, "hey honey, where exactly are your children and why are the police looking for them?" if he was completely innocent? Or how about when Lori is collecting social security and other payments on her children, when her children are clearly not in her care and custody? You'd think maybe then he'd have a sit down with her and maybe discuss the illegalities of that? Or how about when the police detain you while they serve a search warrant on your vehicle and property while you're on vacation in Hawaii, followed by Nate Eaton and a camera crew following you around asking where the children are? Might that be a good time to have a heart to heart with your significant other about where her children are? And when and how do you share the fact that you just got married to a new woman with children to your own family and children? Would Knott's Berry Farm at a family vacation be a good time? "Guess what children, you have a new mom and step brothers and a step sister! I don't know where they're at at the moment, but hey, congratulations!" Or do you conveniently leave those details out of it? Would a good time to talk to your new wife about her missing children be when she is arrested? "Hey honey, I've got us a lawyer, we're going to help you, but you need to let us know what is going so that we can get this taken care of." How about when you are back home living in Idaho with your children and grandchildren under the same roof, with anybody and everybody asking questions about the new wife and missing children? Maybe then would be a good time to find out once and for all what happened to her children so that you can live peaceably with your own family in the same household? Or perhaps after your own arrest and being charged with several felonies would be a good time to start asking questions of your new wife about why and how her children ended up dead and buried in your own backyard without your knowledge? I mean up to this point you've had a good 10+ months to be having these hard discussions with this woman. These are some of the questions I'd be asking my father if I were his children.

I'm sorry, but no matter how you look at it there is no way Chad is innocent in any of this. Even if he didn't commit any of the acts directly he's had plenty of time and opportunity to find out what was going on and do the right things to bring resolution to the case. The fact that he hasn't speaks volumes as to his culpability in the children's murders and trying to cover up the crimes. And the fact that he's been so loyal to Lori also speaks volumes of Tammy's situation as well... which would be deeply troubling to me if I were one of their children.

All MOO.
Excellent post! And I'm not Mormon, but have friends and family who are and I agree- the Mormon church doesn't condone the cultish devotion of Chad's kids to him. That's on them.
 
I am really surprised Prior hasn't pushed for Chad to divorce Lori. How can the defense just say it's Alex all the way and Lori and Chad knew nothing? I don't think defense will so to blame Lori and Alex seems like he should divorce her..? Jmo moo moo ..we can figure out from this what Prior is doing. The Daybells what ever you what to call the 5 of them...Are as delusional as Chad and Lori and anyone in their little cult..If they think this will sway people's opinions..NOT..which one of them is the big large one who looks exactly like Chad? Because if it's Garth, there are some problems there..As seen on Reddit..Easily looked up by his brother in law. Jmo moo ..
I noticed that! One son looks identical to him, one daughter resembles Tammy, and the others just look like an odd conglomeration that don't really resemble either parent.
 
SBM. He ran with the "evil grandma" theory. His children believed it and so did the AVOW owner for a while. He could claim that Lori took her children into hiding and he didn't know where. The problem is, he told his relatives that Lori had no minor children. That closed the door to reuniting with them and introducing them later.
While looking for a house to rent in Hawaii he also told prospective home owners that they were "empty nesters." He knew very well Lori had had children but that they were now murdered and buried in his backyard. But of course that would look bad on an application, so I guess it was better to just say they didn't have any young children. His callousness and willingness to lie about their existence to anybody and everybody, and to turn people's anger towards the "evil grandmother" (who in truth is an angel and hero in this story) again points to his own guilt and remorseless.
 
A few more quotes from the interview:
For the First Time Together, the Children of Accused Child Murderer Chad Daybell Defend Their Father In “48 HOURS: The Secrets of Chad Daybell’s Backyard”

“Who framed your father?” Vigliotti asks.

“I think it’s pretty clear it was Lori and Alex,” EM says. “Alex came … and left for periods of time. … We don’t know … what exactly he was doing.”
...
“I don’t know why they would be there,” EM says. “But I do know that if he were to commit a crime, he wouldn’t be foolish enough to put the evidence in his own backyard.”


Chad's children think that shallow graves aren't his signature:

“He knew how to dig graves and – that just doesn’t sound believable to me,” says SD.
...
“He never said a thing to us about zombies,” GD says. “The first we ever heard of it was in a news report.”
 
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A few more quotes from the interview:
For the First Time Together, the Children of Accused Child Murderer Chad Daybell Defend Their Father In “48 HOURS: The Secrets of Chad Daybell’s Backyard”

“Who framed your father?” Vigliotti asks.

“I think it’s pretty clear it was Lori and Alex,” EM says. “Alex came … and left for periods of time. … We don’t know … what exactly he was doing.”
...
“I don’t know why they would be there,” EM says. “But I do know that if he were to commit a crime, he wouldn’t be foolish enough to put the evidence in his own backyard.”


Chad's children think that shallow graves aren't his signature:

“He knew how to dig graves and – that just doesn’t sound believable to me,” says SD.
...
“He never said a thing to us about zombies,” GD says. “The first we ever heard of it was in a news report.”
Even if it was Alex who dug the graves, at minimum Chad is an accesory to murder because there's no way that he didn't know that his backyard was used. Especially when he made the comment about the dead raccoon.
 
Even if it was Alex who dug the graves, at minimum Chad is an accesory to murder because there's no way that he didn't know that his backyard was used. Especially when he made the comment about the dead raccoon.
The second time Alex was there for less than 20 minutes. JJ's grave must have been pre-dug.
 
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