Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #3

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A photo is not enough. With missing persons, child or adult, law enforcement MUST see them in person. That is the way it works.
My understanding is she has full custody, there isn't anybody who legally gets to see them. You don't need to show your kids to LE every time grandma says they haven't called
 
Devil's advocate: Suppose I have a young child. I also have relatives who I don't get along with because (whatever). I'm not abusing or neglecting my child in any way, but I don't allow my relatives to see the child because I don't get along with those relatives. The relatives decide to call the police and claim they're worried about my child, even though I'm innocent of any wrongdoing. If I refuse to let the police see the child, am I in fact committing a crime?

This whole situation is really disturbing, especially because of all the side details that have arisen about Lori and all the people around her and her family who have died. But if you look at it from a legal standpoint, apart from lying to the cops about where JJ was, have they actually done anything illegal that can be acted upon?

Then all they need to do is show up at a police station and say hey. That's all. If they aren't doing something wrong, why wouldn't they? Easy peasy.
 
Devil's advocate: Suppose I have a young child. I also have relatives who I don't get along with because (whatever). I'm not abusing or neglecting my child in any way, but I don't allow my relatives to see the child because I don't get along with those relatives. The relatives decide to call the police and claim they're worried about my child, even though I'm innocent of any wrongdoing. If I refuse to let the police see the child, am I in fact committing a crime?

This whole situation is really disturbing, especially because of all the side details that have arisen about Lori and all the people around her and her family who have died. But if you look at it from a legal standpoint, apart from lying to the cops about where JJ was, have they actually done anything illegal that can be acted upon?
Obviously not, at the moment, or there would be a warrant out on them right?

A few questions I wonder if anyone can answer, why were Lori, Tylee and JJ living in Rexberg in September and when did they all actually move there? When did they/Lori move in with Chad/Chad move in with them?
 
A photo is not enough. With missing persons, child or adult, law enforcement MUST see them in person. That is the way it works.
My understanding is she has full custody, there isn't anybody who legally gets to see them. You don't need to show your kids to LE every time grandma says they haven't called
Then all they need to do is show up at a police station and say hey. That's all. If they aren't doing something wrong, why wouldn't they? Easy peasy.
I think the point here is they can't do either. which is horrible
 
My understanding is she has full custody, there isn't anybody who legally gets to see them. You don't need to show your kids to LE every time grandma says they haven't called

I think the point here is they can't do either. which is horrible


Yeah. There's that. :(
 
My understanding is she has full custody, there isn't anybody who legally gets to see them. You don't need to show your kids to LE every time grandma says they haven't called
Once they are listed as missing by law enforcement that all changes. If law enforcement was conducting a welfare check on Nov 26th then they did, in fact, have a lawful reason to see JJ. Once the warrant was executed the following day and it was determined that Chad and Lori were gone and the children were not with them everything changed. So, no, a photo is not enough in any circumstance once law enforcement has classified them as missing.

Law enforcement is required to take welfare checks seriously. If someone doesn't want Grandma calling for a welfare check it has to be handled through the courts. It happens much more often than you think, especially with spouses in contentious divorces or when one or the other spouse has a new person in their life.
 
My understanding is she has full custody, there isn't anybody who legally gets to see them. You don't need to show your kids to LE every time grandma says they haven't called
LE needs to submit a claim to SSA for a fraud investigation. Lori has publicly claimed at least one of her children is deceased, it is part the most recent police statement . If she can't prove to the OIG/SSA that the children are alive, she will lose what is most likely their only source of income. Probably the only thing that will matter to her. Moo.
 
No, nothing illegal really, but one photo of the kids with the lawyer and a sign saying the day's date, and then no running, no heat, no problems. (Until the autopsy report, which is what I think everything hinges on.) Not being able to take that photo is really scary to me.

Maybe a newspaper from that date. I can make a sign saying it is 1842.

Edit: Not saying this would have any standing legally, but it would at least convince some people the kids were alive.
 
Obviously not, at the moment, or there would be a warrant out on them right?

A few questions I wonder if anyone can answer, why were Lori, Tylee and JJ living in Rexberg in September and when did they all actually move there? When did they/Lori move in with Chad/Chad move in with them?
Excellent question. Chad obviously knew Lori in real life for awhile if she moved to Rexburg sometime between July and Sept. What other reason would Lori have moved there?

So many twists and turns...don't know specific dates of moves.
 
It scares me to think that any criminals could join WS, and do private chats away from LE radar. (reminds me of another case where perps communicated clear as day on a discussion/app which was private.. not traceable/easily found by LE... )

There have been a couple of responses to this indicating that WebSleuths (WS) was the website where Chad (0r other criminals) could be using private message boards or other back channels to communicate with one another under the radar.

While that's a possibility, it's not what the original poster was talking about. The poster specifically referred to a comment on the Rexburg, ID police department's Facebook page that Chad recently has been active, since after he and Lori fled, in the private discussion forums or message boards of AVOW – the culty, dues-required website on which he and his entourage exchange end times theories and prepping information, set up seminars for the like-minded, and so forth.

Being on a "private" part of a website they've already used, and where they've made friends and gathered a following, seems far more plausible to me than the idea that they'd choose WS' private messaging feature as a platform for fine-tuning their plans. It could be a truly useful tip to the Rexburg PD, or to the FBI, so I do hope the person(s) responsible for the Rexburg PD social media presence takes note of the FB comment. It also would be helpful if someone familiar with AVOW, whether a LE person or simply a solid citizen, could do a little digging and see what they find, turning over any interesting information they uncover to the police. (Yet I suspect it also could be quite dangerous. :eek: )

MOO.
 
My thought is that he doesn't want to tell anyone what the regular payments from Tylee were about so if he avoids saying when he last spoke to her, then he's hoping no one will question those payments. I find it kind of weird a little sister is making regular payments to her older brother - if they were both adult, maybe I could see her trying to help him out, but she was a minor - I find that whole thing odd. Also, in Venmo, you can keep your payments private, why did they leave those payment public when they were so busy hiding everything else?? JMO
First of all why are you saying they were hiding everything else? We don't know that at all. Second, maybe there is an insurance from their dead father and they split it or maybe this is a secret way of communicating she is safe, if the church or her mother is not allowing other SM. She could just make a small transfer or maybe it is a regular amount. Is it an indication she is Ok? I really hope so.
AJMO
 
Excellent question. Chad obviously knew Lori in real life for awhile if she moved to Rexburg sometime between July and Sept. What other reason would Lori have moved there?

So many twists and turns...don't know specific dates of moves.

Assuming that Lori moved to Rexburg so she and Chad could be together, which we're all assuming, but of course that makes Tammy's death and the subsequent alleged marriage that much more suspicious.

I think we know for sure Chad and Lori knew each other well before because they had been on multiple podcasts together and I think Lori attended end time prepper conferences where Chad spoke (maybe Lori spoke too, but I don't think so).
 
Thanks to those who pointed me to the media thread. It brought me up to speed quickly.

This case has "made for tv movie" written all over it.
Absolutely. It would be the kind of TV movie that I’d turn off for being too far-fetched, unless I knew that it was based on real events.

You couldn’t make this stuff up.
 
There have been a couple of responses to this indicating that WebSleuths (WS) was the website where Chad (0r other criminals) could be using private message boards or other back channels to communicate with one another under the radar.

While that's a possibility, it's not what the original poster was talking about. The poster specifically referred to a comment on the Rexburg, ID police department's Facebook page that Chad recently has been active, since after he and Lori fled, in the private discussion forums or message boards of AVOW – the culty, dues-required website on which he and his entourage exchange end times theories and prepping information, set up seminars for the like-minded, and so forth.

Being on a "private" part of a website they've already used, and where they've made friends and gathered a following, seems far more plausible to me than the idea that they'd choose WS' private messaging feature as a platform for fine-tuning their plans. It could be a truly useful tip to the Rexburg PD, or to the FBI, so I do hope the person(s) responsible for the Rexburg PD social media presence takes note of the FB comment. It also would be helpful if someone familiar with AVOW, whether a LE person or simply a solid citizen, could do a little digging and see what they find, turning over any interesting information they uncover to the police. (Yet I suspect it also could be quite dangerous. :eek: )

MOO.

It is also possible to comment on YouTube videos so it can be done that way too I guess. But "could" is the operative word here. It would be untraceable unless LE knows the user name and IP addresses. There is also a possibility of communicating in draft emails if both have access. As long as emails are never sent, you just access the email account and look in the draft folder.
AJMO
 
First of all why are you saying they were hiding everything else? We don't know that at all. Second, maybe there is an insurance from their dead father and they split it or maybe this is a secret way of communicating she is safe, if the church or her mother is not allowing other SM. She could just make a small transfer or maybe it is a regular amount. Is it an indication she is Ok? I really hope so.
AJMO

They are hiding what has actually to the children - THEY being Lori and Chad. That's what I meant. I'm just noting that maybe the Venmo payments should be looked into since it seems to be a way she was communicating with her brother.
 
Could Charles' sister (Joshua's aunt or grandmother..I get her relationship confused) file a missing person's report for Joshua? It just seems like someone can do something...or anyone can make their kid disappear without consequences.
She is both aunt and grandmother of Joshua. She is Joshua's biological grandmother. But because her brother Charles adopted Joshua, she is also Joshua's aunt.
 
First of all why are you saying they were hiding everything else? We don't know that at all. Second, maybe there is an insurance from their dead father and they split it or maybe this is a secret way of communicating she is safe, if the church or her mother is not allowing other SM. She could just make a small transfer or maybe it is a regular amount. Is it an indication she is Ok? I really hope so.
AJMO

Technically, we have no idea who made those payments. It could have been Lori. JMO
 
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