Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #21

[Alohaj]

Duplicate, deleted

 

[RexburgSleuth]

It hangs in the beginning but skip ahead to Lori and it plays ok

There's this from the video. Subtle, Bailiff. Subtle.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

Hey sorry if this has been answered already but why did she have a new lawyer today?

This is her main lawyer in Hawaii. The man from the first appearance was a lawyer with the same firm under Mr. Craig De Costa. For some reason, I think De Costa couldn't make the first hearing.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

Can I get a side of fries with that?

We are known for potatoes here. I'd say absolutely!

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

Direct link to the post with the statement by Melani's attorney (criminal defense attorney not divorce/custody attorney).
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Sorry if this has already been said, but, WOW! That's a great bit of info into HER psychology! The last image with the texts is the perfect BURN, IMO. Only after she fails to have him killed does she decide "divorce is better".... (MOO)

I think she threw everything but the kitchen sink at this poor guy in that doc! We are supposed to believe he's mafia/child molester/gay/ dirty *advertiser censored* addict/ Drug user/murderer etc/etc/etc/. But only decides to confront him about his inappropriate *advertiser censored* magazines, and then takes off leaving behind her minor children. Give me a break!

The entire statement is riddled with vindictive rage, and defeats it's entire purpose... No rational judge is going to say, "Yes, lets hand the kids over to this perfectly sane, god fearing lady"..... actually it has confirmed my bias that these people are Criminally Insane and should not be walking the streets! Again, MOO.

 

[Gardener1850]

What if it's your own first hand encounter or experience with the person/people in question? I would assume that's ok and have certainly read several posts from people who encountered or thought they encountered Israel Keyes for example. Just curious, I don't know anyone associated with this case, but I would think people involved first hand would be invaluable in helping piece together this puzzle.

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One exception to the above on verification is if you are a local person to the case and want to share your general knowledge of the town/county/state, etc that does not require getting verified. Share away if you have general ideas on where the kids could be hidden in Yellowstone or Rexburg. Our members can also visit court hearings and report back on their observations and personal impressions. Sometimes hearings don't have any cameras allowed but do allow tweeting/texting and in those cases WS members will sometimes go to court and "live post" on a hearing without a lot of media coverage. So there are some things that can be posted here even if your not an insider or don't want to get verified.

MOO (Disclaimer: I'm not a moderator, just a member )

 

[tealrose]

There's this from the video. Subtle, Bailiff. Subtle.

... what about him pushing up his glasses am I missing?

 

[Drc40]

... what about him pushing up his glasses am I missing?

Maybe he’s making an “L” for loser?

 

[Gardener1850]

Hey fellow Rexburgers (lol, I kind of like that term). You know the sign on West Main, coming into town?

We need to get a banner under this saying: "Lori, where's yours?"

Does Idaho have billboards? Can someone please take one out with JJ and Tylee's missing posters on in? And maybe another one that just says "Lori, Where Are Your Kids?"

 

[afitzy]

Video interview from EIN:

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Again, catching up .

Hawaii only allows "no bail" for death penalty, life in prison and similarly serious cases (HRS 832-14, 15, 16) and the judge has great discretion. The attorneys debated in the hearing whether the Idaho felonies meet the standard of serious crimes in Hawaii. They agreed they translate roughly as class B felonies based on the potential prison time (10 years max in Hawaii). B felonies in Hawaii typically get a bail of about $10,000. This was all argued in the hearing.

Here is some information about bail in Hawaii:
https://acluhawaii.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/aclu-of-hawaii-bail-report.pdf

"Like the U.S. Constitution, the Hawai‘i Constitution prohibits “excessive bail” but does not guarantee an absolute right to bail in all cases. In this context, the Supreme Court of Hawai‘i has stated that “bail is not excessive merely because [an] arrestee is unable to pay it, ‘but he is entitled to an opportunity to make it in a reasonable amount.’” In Sakamoto v. Won Bae Chang, the Hawai‘i Supreme Court held that where the state failed to show a likelihood of conviction of murder in the first degree, where the trial court found the arrestee to be “not [a] man of means,” and where there was no evidence presented that indicated that the arrestee would not be present for future proceedings, a bail set at $300,000 violated the state constitutional provision prohibiting excessive bail. The Supreme Court ultimately reduced the bail to $100,000. The Supreme Court of Hawai‘i has also interpreted Article I Section 12 as protecting against unreasonable or arbitrary denial of bail. Judges cannot infer from the arrestee’s criminal indictment alone a need for bail in an unusually high amount, such as in Sakamoto, where bail was set at $300,000 because of the arrestee’s murder charge. Such acts are deemed arbitrary."

This case is more complex and, with missing children, more challenging for LE looking for relevant information regarding physical location of the missing children. MOO

BBM

In summary, even $300,000 has been deemed by the Hawaii Supreme Court to be excessive even for a murder charge in Hawaii.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Lori Vallow waives extradition to Idaho, bond remains at $5 million

In this article you will find various court documents.

Lori-Vallow-court-docs.pdf

Hope these links from MSM work.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

This case is more complex and, with missing children, more challenging for LE looking for relevant information regarding physical location of the missing children. MOO

 

[fred&edna]

found this under “ Visiting a prisoner in Hawaii“
Not sure why they address this regarding inmate attire but they do:
“

• All inmates must wear shoes, or sandals. Bare feet are not allowed. “

If you're pretty sure inmates in Hawaii are allowed to wear their own shoes, why aren't they allowed to wear their own clothes? Why wouldnt Chad just get her a jumpsuit if he got her those ugly shoes?? I doubt the facility provides the orange jumpsuit without the standard-issue shoes. JMO

 

[Alohaj]

If you're pretty sure inmates in Hawaii are allowed to wear their own shoes, why aren't they allowed to wear their own clothes? Why wouldnt Chad just get her a jumpsuit if he got her those ugly shoes?? I doubt the facility provides the orange jumpsuit without the standard-issue shoes. JMO

She’s not a sentenced prisoner, she’s in a jail.

 

[Christ is Truth]

Posted earlier but with no explanation, sorry. Chad had a one hour visit with Lori at the jail yesterday. Here is a statement from HI Department of Public Safety on the matter.

They reported it as a “separate visit”. Perhaps conjugal?

 

[KonaHonu]

IRT absconding, I’m referring to them leaving ID for HI after lying to police, and a lesser extent failing to appear on that subpoena. I suppose that played into the high bail. IRT Mexico, you can buy tickets, you just need a passport to use them at the airport. I’m not taking Lori’s word that she doesn’t have one. I thought I read here they bought tix, but I don’t know for sure.

I think the Mexico rumor was something someone said on one of the many tweets, podcasts, and so forth. I don't think it was ever substantiated. And if it were true I am certain the prosecutor would have informed the judge about that at today's hearing. The evidence he presented to substantiate her being a flight risk (something done in 2009/2011 that is not even admissible in Hawaii) is a stretch while have bought tickets to Mexico would be a slam dunk.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

My apologies but I have clicked on blue hi lights but can’t find any attached letter - am I doing it wrong? Any advice greatly appreciated thank you

MOO, if you could read the purported letter, from MB to BB, your professional judgement might be clouded. In the absence of knowing the content of the letter, what are your thoughts on the case?

 

[Drc40]

Regarding the bail amount. I know it’s satisfying for most of us to see it upheld but the post about bail amounts noting Hawaiian Supreme Court decisions gives judges guidance. In this case though, it’s not like LVD committed a couple of Class B felonies last week and just got arrested. It’s the totality of evidence and previous actions on her part that likely constituted the Idaho judge to set that bail and convinced the judge in Hawaii to confirm/set it. She sure was quick to bring out the waiver when bail was not reduced. Makes you go hmmm

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

My apologies but I have clicked on blue hi lights but can’t find any attached letter - am I doing it wrong? Any advice greatly appreciated thank you

MOO, if you could read the purported letter, from MB to BB, your professional judgement might be clouded. In the absence of knowing the content of the letter, what are your thoughts on the case?

I think the Mexico rumor was something someone said on one of the many tweets, podcasts, and so forth. I don't think it was ever substantiated. And if it were true I am certain the prosecutor would have informed the judge about that at today's hearing. The evidence he presented to substantiate her being a flight risk (something done in 2009/2011 that is not even admissible in Hawaii) is a stretch while have bought tickets to Mexico would be a slam dunk.

Surprising comment, it was verified through MSM and others (probably LE) that CD and LV had travel plans to Mexico. MOO