Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

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Gardener1850 said:
I caught that too. At first I wondered if the prosecutor meant it was planned before Chad's wife Tammy died and perhaps he misspoke when he said "her husband". But if he meant Charles then that makes sense as well. :eek:

1. We know from the December 6 warrants served at JJ's school that police are investigating a Conspiracy to Commit Homicide in the First Degree that occurred July 11, 2019 (The day Charles was murdered).

2. Lori got caught looking at Wedding dresses and wedding rings 2 weeks before Charles died Charles (This isn't in the timeline but is from a GH video- see #24 and #25 from diggndeeperstill's summary).

3. Lori went to Kauai when she disappeared in Jan 2019-- We think she was avoiding Charles serving divorce papers but that could have been a trip to pre-plan her wedding to Chad and look for long-term rentals.

4. Lori somehow had a Hawaii driver's license in the name of Lori Ryan. We know this wasn't the name and drivers license she used when she lived on the island with Charles from 2016-2018 because she got a ticket for using her phone while driving. The ticket was in the name Lori Vallow. What if she somehow applied for and got the Lori Ryan ID during her Feb 2019 trip?

5. There's a PO Box address in Lori's name in Sugar City, ID despite Lori never having lived there. She did claim she was going to Boise for a conference in Feb 2019 and service processors tried to serve her there for with the divorce and order of protection papers but couldn't find her. But Sugar City is closer to Chad's home and not close to Boise. Chad did speak at an event in Boise Feb 16, 2019. Lori could have had any mail that might be incriminating (wedding planning, new Hawaii drivers license, etc) sent to the Idaho PO box and had Chad pick it up for her and/or retrieved it while visiting Chad in Idaho (Alex is also on that same PO Box).

6. Chad told a prospective landlady in early November that Lori was a resident of Kauai. We also know she used the Lori Ryan HI license with a local address at a hotel. Locals told us that residents get discounts on resorts. How did she establish that residency? I think it's possible she applied for a new driver's license in Feb 2019.

7. The big question mark for us is who else is involved in the conspiracy to murder Charles? I think we are looking at another arrest in the near future for that and other crimes.

MOO.
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3,4,5 so important. IF evidence of actually booking a wedding was pre- CV or pre- TD, can that evidence be used as premeditation? As I have mentioned before, I thought we had heard one tidbit (i am just not sure if it was here, or another site) that there was an earlier attempt to off Charles (?car accident?), and this plan that had to be used was speeded up. Do we tie a possible conspiracy to WHY a cop cleaned up a crime scene?? That one has hovered in my gut............... f-o-r-e-v-e-r.
 
Picklepuck said:
Sadly, I can't link since it is a screenshot of someone (posted on reddit) who lives on the island and she received a call from someone stating that she left the island with Idaho escort. That's why I wanted to see if anyone posted something from a reputable MSM source. Guess we will have to wait for Justin Lum or Nate Easton to report, as they have been the 2 that are on top of this case. MOO
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Ok we will just have to be watching those reporters' tweets.
 
utahobserver said:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=181959373059971
Colby reported in this interview with Justin Lum that all payments from Tylee's Venmo account were coming from Lori. Lori used Tylee's Venmo account because she was not tech savvy. That being said, that Lori had Tylee's bank card and it was allegedly used since Tylee disappeared and they cannot show evidence that this transactions helped to support Tylee is very interesting. They know what Lori used the bank card for and it wasn't for the kids...
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We’ve all talked about this before and the fact that it’s possible that account was always in Tylee’s name. She wasn’t even legally supposed to have a Venmo until 18. Also we’ve talked about how Lori had sent CR money from her own Venmo account during the same time. So his tech savvy explanation might be true but does not stand to be the reason to me.

Hippoinatutu said:
Can someone help me out with CR statements please.

Why does he have a facetime with the kids on the day he also says he saw them at his work to say goodbye. Both are quoted for 30th August?

Or have I mixed something up here...
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No, I think you got that is right as well. I thought possibly Dr. Phil just miss spoke because he inserted the words I think for him. I do know that CR prior said that they had come by to say bye to him and I believe that he said they had come by his work to tell him bye.
tresir2012 said:
Could they be that stupid?
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mykal.larson said:
So what move was pre planned? The move to Idaho or the move to Hawaii? She wasn't living in Idaho when CV was killed so which move are they referring to specifically? My understanding from watching the hearing (only once, admittedly) is that the move the prosecutor was referring to was Hawaii because she "fled" day after LE showed up at her doorstep.
- So the move to HI was planned before CV's death on top of the move to ID?
- Was the Idaho move pre planned or quickly decided after CV's murder?
- Were they both supposed to move to Hawaii separately and those plans changed as opportunities to kill CV and TD changed?
- How far in advance were these moves planned?
- Where would Lori have moved first had the landlord not kicked her out? Idaho or Hawaii?

SO MANY NEW QUESTIONS.
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Chad and Lori went to Hawaii at least twice - once to get married on the 5th Nov and again after they fled from the FBI on the 27th Nov and went to Hawaii for this most recent visit on the 1st Dec. I believe the wedding trip was pre planned and that may be the one the court is referring to. The 1st Dec visit to Hawaii was prompted by the welfare check on the 26th Nov IMO.
 
Tortoise said:
rsbm

Great summary. Did you mean Brandon here? I can't think of an obvious reason why someone else apart from Alex was involved re. Charles.
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No. I'm thinking of a certain Doomsday author who married Lori 2 weeks after his wife of nearly 30 years died under suspicious circumstances. I'm not sure how the attempt on Brandon's life fits into all this, other than it seems Lori was encouraging Melani follow in her footsteps.

ETA: To clarify, I was referencing the conspiracy to murder Charles investigation in my OP.

MOO.
 
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Two things I’m wondering about. Or thinking about.

1. I wonder if the whole cult is somehow financing the two of them. I wonder if there is some behind the scenes partnership or belief that they truly are the leaders of the end times and therefore money from the no named website and leader is funneled to them?

2. do we have the prior cases that were mentioned in court about her fleeing?
 
Gardener1850 said:
2. Lori got caught looking at Wedding dresses and wedding rings 2 weeks before Charles died Charles (This isn't in the timeline but is from a GH video- see #24 and #25 from diggndeeperstill's summary).=.
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Cut the remainder of the quote to get to this ^^

Any guesses who that family insider was that called Gray Hughes?? There is a lot of range to that information, a lot of which has since come to light. But that video was published about the time this became a national story 12/23/2019, before much of the information we know now was out there.

Gardener1850 said:
No. I'm thinking of a certain Doomsday author who married Lori 2 weeks after his wife of nearly 30 years died under suspicious circumstances. I'm not sure how the attempt on Brandon's life fits into all this, other than it seems Lori was encouraging Melani follow in her footsteps.

MOO.
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I think there has been discussion here before about the possibility that Lori was involved in Tammy's death, but this is a frightening new idea that I don't think I've seen raised here. :eek:
 
Picklepuck said:
I haven't gone through all of the new posts since last night, as I just woke up. Anyone post about LVD already on plane heading to Idaho? Apparently some time around 11pm-midnight?
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Justin Lum just posted that she's still in Hawaii and that it's unknown when she'll be extradited.

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
 
 
Heatherann Wagner KIFI/KIDK (@HeatherannNews) | Twitter
KIFI/KIDK Idaho

There’s been an abundance of online rumors surrounded the Vallow/Daybell case. Recently, there’s been posts about threats to those involved.I talked with the law firm that represents Lori in Idaho (to be decided moving forward). They said the statements online aren’t true.
 
nhmemorymaker said:
3,4,5 so important. IF evidence of actually booking a wedding was pre- CV or pre- TD, can that evidence be used as premeditation? As I have mentioned before, I thought we had heard one tidbit (i am just not sure if it was here, or another site) that there was an earlier attempt to off Charles (?car accident?), and this plan that had to be used was speeded up. Do we tie a possible conspiracy to WHY a cop cleaned up a crime scene?? That one has hovered in my gut............... f-o-r-e-v-e-r.
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BBM. I haven't read that anywhere, so must be a rumor or speculation. The closest we have heard is from Dateline we learned that while Lori was in Hawaii in Feb 2019 she told her friend April that she expected a call any day informing her Charles was dead. So it would not surprise me in the least if there was an attempt on Charles' life made that failed. But we have no evidence of that so far. Only that Charles was scared for his life, took out an order of protection, pulled JJ from school and moved to Texas by Mar 2019....

MOO.
 
diggndeeperstill said:
Two things I’m wondering about. Or thinking about.

1. I wonder if the whole cult is somehow financing the two of them. I wonder if there is some behind the scenes partnership or belief that they truly are the leaders of the end times and therefore money from the no named website and leader is funneled to them?

2. do we have the prior cases that were mentioned in court about her fleeing?
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I think it was referencing the custody battle with JR over Tylee. How she would up and move and avoid being served papers and in general ignore the court.
 
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