Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #23

[Anonymous91]

I

am still overwhelmed by these huge buildings. Is that all that actually goes on in all that architecture??

As far as I know, it is. I've heard urban legends, but think that there just a bunch of nonsense, and are just that.

Like the ghost stories kids tell each other about that one haunted house in town. It seems that every town has that "haunted house". MOO

 

[janx]

I feel like Charles was likely the person who kept JJ safe and met his needs (getting him the service dog etc) and once he was dead Lori no longer wanted a lifelong connection to that side of the family. Which JJ as CV's sisters grandson would have meant. Her actions, selling Dog/ pulling him out of his school/ telling the nanny that his meds make him sleepy and she will sometimes give them early to get a "break" . All point to her seeing him as a road block to her "fabulous life". Even before that when she took just Tylee to Hawaii, leaving JJ (with CV living in Tx) for around a month.

I also think that poor JJ really did love her and had bonded b/c the nanny said he was very upset when she left, and had a melt down about it at times. MOO

I really wonder what happened with Tylee, b/c that relationship at least outwardly seemed very close?!

His routine, which is so important for all kids but doubly so for autistic kids, was decimated. We can only hope that he is with someone who realizes the importance of that.

 

[Anonymous91]

Thanks for this @Sticksandspades. #3 especially struck a chord, as I have years of Nursing experience in Pediatric Psychiatry. Could not understand why anyone would want to withhold risperdal from a child who needs it. JMO #3 is a possible explanation. Also IMHO if you withheld risperdal and the child then began to exhibit the symptoms of his medical condition (doorbell cam of JJ cursing etc) you might be in a position to determine that the child is possessed by a demon, becoming a zombie, whatever instead of recognizing that you are failing to manage a medical condition and therefore the one to blame for the child's behavior.
This is heartbreaking

This definitely goes against what the official LDS church teaches.

Not sure where they got this idea from either. The only thing that comes to mind, is that in the early days of the church, early 19th century they attempted to live what is called "The United Order" (United Order).

To paraphrase it was: "Individuals shared property, goods, and profits, receiving these things according to their wants and needs"

Basically, it's similar to what home preppers are attempting to do. In ways, it is similar to how the Amish communities are.

This was abandonded though, primarily because they couldn't figure out how to make it work.

Obviously, this may fit into their overall cult thinking. End of days, extreme prepping, relying on natural cures, etc. Since even modern drugs are going to be in limited supply under Doomsday conditions. MOO

Side Note: I have found (For myself) that drinking 1-2 cans of Guava Juice (normally found in the hispanic section of most supermarkets), takes care of diarrhea. Not that this is related in any way. JMO

 

[Whaddayano]

Our religion teaches there will be a gathering of the lost tribes Israel at the last days and righteous will be called to help gather them in.

According to CV court documents LV has claimed just this.

im still listening to That Podcast and this is the thing keeps jumping out at me HeY yALL We R THe GaThERerSsSss -- in context, super creepy. i'm personally super triggered by all that because in my own experience with (FundyEV) all this kind of End Times talk has been heavily promoted for 40 years, and back when i was throoughly immersed, i would have felt really excited and validated and special to be considered a part of a Holy & G*d-Ordained Movement such as theirs! the more i dig into Lori's background (via personal stories on SM that cant be discussed here, unfortunately), the more i evolve away from my earlier views that she has always been a bad seed/sociopath. really starting to feel that she actually was not always this horrible person she's become on this *journey she's undertaken* (to paraphrase something from the podcast) but has always been a vulnerable and perhaps highly impressionable person with a deep rooted and unhealthy NEED to Matter, to Be Relevant, Important, Special, perhaps even Powerful. Something about Chad's books really spoke to her psyche. perhaps the original intent behind meeting the Author was innocent enough but when he evidently responded in kind (because similar dynamic on his own part?), combined with a surrounding extremist/fundamentalist religious subculture in which they were both immersed, well i can uncomfortably envision how a perfect storm of apocalyptic proportions seemingly blew up out of nowhere.

all that said, i am still deeply troubled by how contagious this environment seems to be... we have Melani, we have Alex (who someone observed did not seem particularly religious?), we have assorted other key players in That Community of end-times apologists and self-described *prophets*, we have exceedingly odd behavior from assorted extended family members (much of which we cant openly discuss in this forum but is being talked about in Reddit and FB groups for example)...
i keep coming back to the same underlying Question: HOW BIG IS THIS THING? i know perhaps this is not the forum for such conjecture, at least at this time... but, as someone who has personally embraced and later rejected some very cultish beliefs in my life... i feel in my gut this is a very important thought to hold onto. this particular string of suspicious deaths and disappearances may conceivably be only the oozing pimple on top of a festering boil. G*d forbid and i so hope i am wrong wrong wrong

anyone else on WS w background involvement in a cult or cultish branch of a church, PLEASE weigh in on these thoughts...

 

[Whaddayano]

Nit picking, but ...

That would have been the 70s and 80s and realistically (given that she's have turned 6(?) in 1980 more like the 80s and 90s. I think your point is valid, but also suspect that Rialto (far NE of greater Los Angelos area near Riverside and San Bernadino) had plenty of chances to get in trouble. I'm not real familiar with the area, but had a friend who lived in that area around when Lori was born and it was a combination of surburban and rural with fruit orchards scattered amongst the subdivisions. My point is it was a far cry from San Francisco in the 60s.

yeah, that was kinda part of the Foothills area, sprawling, semi-developed, not that much to do for kids coming of age in the 80s except hang out, do house parties, cruise... head up to Hollywierd for some clubbing, if you were of a mind. i grew up in a more developed region other side of the hills, but occasionally ended up out there with friends who had friends in the area. imma get in trouble for saying this maybe, but Rialto was considered a step up from another town a lot of kids, er, *affectionately* referred to as "fontucky"

 

[findher8]

More history than that. "retired"---?? I just don't think we can talk about him...but I think most of know we want to.

oops! I am sorry! I got carried away and now I can't delete it

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sorry for late reply... Making dinner and will be off soon...

I know her timeline, but do we think that Tylee ever actually "Moved to Idaho"? IIRC none of the locals remember seeing her, and the Nanny said that there were only 2 bedrooms one was JJ's the other Lori's, and there was nothing, no clothes etc of Tylee's there. Lori claimed that Tylee had her own apartment in Rexburg, but may come over to do laundry once in awhile.... Also that Tylee was at BYU. I'm not convinced Tylee ever lived in Idaho at all.

I definitely can see this.... she might have been told "she could live with Alex" in AZ....and just came up to ID with him....but I think she was part of the "move in day". And the 8th.

 

[Gardener1850]

Here is a question that has been gnawing at me lately. The lawyer called her Miss/Ms. Vallow. When I checked the offender records to see if she was still incarcerated in Hawaii, she is listed under LV. Which would have to be under her legal name? Did she keep her last name - WHY? Did they actually legally get married? I don’t think anyone has seen a marriage certificate yet?

Unless things have changed in recent years, your name doesn't automatically change when you get legally married in the US. You have to submit paperwork to Social Security and apply for new IDs with your married name, etc. You may use your married name in social settings but it won't be legally changed without paperwork. It can take weeks or months to get it done (depending on how quickly you get the paperwork sent in and follow up with every place that needs certified copies of your marriage license). Also, it's not required that anyone change their name when they get married. I've also been thinking that Lori might not have had time to change her name or perhaps didn't want to change it immediately.

They married in Hawaii and stayed there a few weeks, then they went back to Idaho, then ran from LE immediately after the welfare check and went to California with Chad's kids for Thanksgiving, then they flew from Los Angeles back to Kauai, Hawaii (there might have also been a trip to AZ in there that we don't know about yet, but I'm only guessing on that). I don't think she had time to go to the SSA office or the DMV. Or Lori might not have wanted to legally change to Daybell for a number of reasons. Perhaps she still has accounts under her Vallow name that were joint with Charles that she won't get to keep once she makes the financial institution aware of Charles' death and/or her remarriage. For example, I'm guessing the credit card used to reserve the Rexburg storage unit could have been one in both her and Charles Vallow's name. That credit card would have been based on CV's credit mainly because Lori has very little job history. That card may have finally gotten canceled or maxed out in January 2020. And we know she was ordering things on Charles' Amazon account after she had married Chad. I have a theory that she kept a Lori Ryan ID current in Hawaii, in order to make accessing Tylee's money easier. And she may have planned to keep her Lori Vallow ID from AZ as long as it benefited her as well.

MOO.

 

[OGDiva]

Oh! Oh! There was one GREAT quote from Lori though....
" We are here to tell the Truth. The good, the bad, and the ugly."
Lori Vallow

Perfect close by the prosecution at her trial- MOO

 

[Sticksandspades]

That's a good article. She actually ended up not wanting media to contact her anymore.

"Rowe, who is now declining interviews, told Fox News Radio in January that she decided to speak up about her visions to “

“We need each other as we unify in righteousness and continue to build a righteous army,” she said. “When we need to defend the (U.S.) Constitution, we will be ready.”

That terminology “wake more of us up” is quite similar to what was said by MG in the Sound Cloud podcast It’s Time to Warrior Up. There MG says awake and beginning to be awake....don’t recall exactly.

 

[Nurse Gen]

This definitely goes against what the official LDS church teaches.

Not sure where they got this idea from either. The only thing that comes to mind, is that in the early days of the church, early 19th century they attempted to live what is called "The United Order" (United Order).

To paraphrase it was: "Individuals shared property, goods, and profits, receiving these things according to their wants and needs"

Basically, it's similar to what home preppers are attempting to do. In ways, it is similar to how the Amish communities are.

This was abandonded though, primarily because they couldn't figure out how to make it work.

Obviously, this may fit into their overall cult thinking. End of days, extreme prepping, relying on natural cures, etc. Since even modern drugs are going to be in limited supply under Doomsday conditions. MOO

Side Note: I have found (For myself) that drinking 1-2 cans of Guava Juice (normally found in the hispanic section of most supermarkets), takes care of diarrhea. Not that this is related in any way. JMO

Thanks @Anonymous91 IMO it does seem like thinking that's associated with cults, not religious denomination. These people are really off the rails IMO

 

[Anonymous91]

from all i've seen her old friends (before the madness set in) have said-- (which mostly still cannot be discussed here, until it shows up in MSM) --it does seem like this is more likely the case. fwiw, same dynamic seems likely for chad. moo, hardcore meltdown mode seems to have occurred largely after the two got together, moo

Yea when CD and LVD got together, it's the same reaction you get when you mix ammonia and bleach together (Please no one try that - Seriously) MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Sorry for late reply... Making dinner and will be off soon...

I know her timeline, but do we think that Tylee ever actually "Moved to Idaho"? IIRC none of the locals remember seeing her, and the Nanny said that there were only 2 bedrooms one was JJ's the other Lori's, and there was nothing, no clothes etc of Tylee's there. Lori claimed that Tylee had her own apartment in Rexburg, but may come over to do laundry once in awhile.... Also that Tylee was at BYU. I'm not convinced Tylee ever lived in Idaho at all.

There's at least one photo of her at that Rexburg apartment with JJ. So, yes.

 

[canyonoflight]

10.5 hr day at work. Any breaking news?

 

[CSIDreamer]

10.5 hr day at work. Any breaking news?

Chad is in Rexburg now.

Justin Lum has some digital trail stuff for the news tonight.

Jmo

 

[Sticksandspades]

Oh! Oh! There was one GREAT quote from Lori though....
" We are here to tell the Truth. The good, the bad, and the ugly."
Lori Vallow

YES! That’s the one I think would be best on a Billboard

 

[Anonymous91]

Unfortunately, not seriously enough. He shouldn't have gone to pick up JJ alone. I guess he didn't expect to find Alex there. I am not trying to blame the victim, I just wish things turned out differently for Charles.

Probably would have, if he had just got his phone. I think he would have used it to call 911, even if the phone remained in his pocket. JMO

One of the only reasons that Jodi Arias got caught, is that the video camera had accidentally turned on and caught incriminating photos that sealed her fate.

 

[Gardener1850]

WHEN LORI MET CHAD: When exactly Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell met face to face is not confirmed. But tonight - we uncover digital footprints on the couple. Interaction and documents that go back more than a year ago. The information sent by Chad Daybell - hard to decipher. I’m live tonight at 9 & 10.

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Way to go Justin! He continues to dig up info. And it's as if he has been reading our posts here debating on when Lori and Chad met.

 

[LDS social scientist]

im still listening to That Podcast and this is the thing keeps jumping out at me HeY yALL We R THe GaThERerSsSss -- in context, super creepy. i'm personally super triggered by all that because in my own experience with (FundyEV) all this kind of End Times talk has been heavily promoted for 40 years, and back when i was throoughly immersed, i would have felt really excited and validated and special to be considered a part of a Holy & G*d-Ordained Movement such as theirs! the more i dig into Lori's background (via personal stories on SM that cant be discussed here, unfortunately), the more i evolve away from my earlier views that she has always been a bad seed/sociopath. really starting to feel that she actually was not always this horrible person she's become on this *journey she's undertaken* (to paraphrase something from the podcast) but has always been a vulnerable and perhaps highly impressionable person with a deep rooted and unhealthy NEED to Matter, to Be Relevant, Important, Special, perhaps even Powerful. Something about Chad's books really spoke to her psyche. perhaps the original intent behind meeting the Author was innocent enough but when he evidently responded in kind (because similar dynamic on his own part?), combined with a surrounding extremist/fundamentalist religious subculture in which they were both immersed, well i can uncomfortably envision how a perfect storm of apocalyptic proportions seemingly blew up out of nowhere.

all that said, i am still deeply troubled by how contagious this environment seems to be... we have Melani, we have Alex (who someone observed did not seem particularly religious?), we have assorted other key players in That Community of end-times apologists and self-described *prophets*, we have exceedingly odd behavior from assorted extended family members (much of which we cant openly discuss in this forum but is being talked about in Reddit and FB groups for example)...
i keep coming back to the same underlying Question: HOW BIG IS THIS THING? i know perhaps this is not the forum for such conjecture, at least at this time... but, as someone who has personally embraced and later rejected some very cultish beliefs in my life... i feel in my gut this is a very important thought to hold onto. this particular string of suspicious deaths and disappearances may conceivably be only the oozing pimple on top of a festering boil. G*d forbid and i so hope i am wrong wrong wrong

anyone else on WS w background involvement in a cult or cultish branch of a church, PLEASE weigh in on these thoughts...

I can't answer all your questions. I'm certainly not a specialist on cults. But the way you describe the evolving of this stuff in your first paragraph seems very plausible, from my viewpoint.

As for how big? That's certainly a hugely important question to me (though it could turn out to be less important for the missing-children case). I want to think it's pretty small, but I just don't know.

The question I'd add is how committed is this group? Again, I don't think we know, but I'm hoping that the number of absolutely committed (now in the face of bright light being directed toward the group) is small. From what I've heard, it hasn't yet fully coalesced into a well-defined and unified movement. But I could be wrong.

 

[Kudzu]

Don't get me started on the degrading music.

My first exposure to Metal was in Church. Our teacher played a song many will know:

AC/DC - Hells Bells

Then he spent the rest of the lesson teaching us that "metal" is the devil's music. The only thing I took away, is that I really liked that song, and I was hooked. LOL

So far, I have not sacrificed any goats, so I think I am safe. (Please read this as satire).

Fun Fact: The author for Twilight has stated that her novel was a modern retelling of "Romeo & Juliet". The irony of this, that she didn't realize, is that Shakespeare had wrote this as a tragic satire. He was actually poking fun at Romeo and Juliet's relationship.
Hopefully we don't see CD & LVD try to reenact this.

Apparently modern Pop music is fine, from what I have heard. Sadly, my sons attended a Stake Dance (for youth between ages 14-18), and the DJ played the entire track from Frozen. They never wanted to go to a church dance again.

It's possible that CD and LVD could be influenced by the music they were listening to. I will admit that it would be a very weak influence at best though. MOO

LOL! I’ve got Hells Bells playing in my head now, which is making me smile. (I’m guessing several of us do!)