Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

[fuzzybutter]

Our discussion can generally be split into 2 parts, addressing the practical and logistical like: What did Lori and Chad do?; How did they do it?; How are they financing everything?; How involved are they the (at least 3) mysterious deaths?; Where are the kids? Alive or Dead?; Plus a million more questions.
And then there is the religious, spiritual, non-standard LDS beliefs, which I will be the first to admit, I am not well versed.

Thinking about what we have seen Chad and Lori do (and not do), it seems to me that the Doomsday, end of world in July thoughts are not uppermost in their mind or driving their activities. We know Lori loves Hawaii. She tried to get a 1 million dollar bankroll when they killed CV, but that didn't work out. She found somebody else. The bankroll was not as big, but she was able to go back to Hawaii. Did they spend long days preparing for the end of days? Were they recruiting special people to join them in the 144,000? Not really. They were living in a ritzy neighborhood, doing yoga, going to the beach and hanging out at pricey resorts. Lori is the queen of short term planning and doing whatever she wants. I think that if she had not been arrested they would still be living in Princeville, going to the beach, drinking smoothies and occasionally flying to Costco in Maui. I saw no preparation for the coming apocalypse.
Chad may be more into the end of days stuff, but I think Lori just uses it when it suits her purposes and then discards it when she can loll around Kauai. The kids are gone, but she is getting their SS and there is money in the bank. Nothing else to worry about.

 

[Colorado303]

If they purchased a home it would show up on the Fremont County assessor records, which can be searched here: Fremont County, Idaho, Terms and Conditions

Only Chad and Tammy's house is listed there.

Unless they purchased house as income property under an LLP/LLC name. Anyone can create an LLC or LLP online in minutes for about $100. And finding out who owns it is a lot harder than you’d think. At least in CO.

 

[indicolite22]

I thought Justin Lum posted about losing Lori and Chad's wedding photos in HI because the photographer got a BBD (Bigger Better Deal) from ABC, though?

Justin said at the time that local TV stations don't pay for photos.

 

[BigAl16]

So if LV gets divorced from CD, she becomes Lori the Unjust?

Or Lori the Just Not Now

 

[tresir2012]

Also from probate filing in Houston, something very interesting: The initial filing on 1/15/20 lists CV's heirs as JJ plus his two sons from first marriage. Lori Vallow is NOT listed as an heir. JJ's address is listed as 2659 E. Jade Place, Chandler, AZ, in care of Lori Vallow. In an amended filing on 2/12/20, Lori Vallow IS listed as an heir, at the following address: "4141 Queen Emma's Drive, Apt. 3, Princeville". And JJ is listed there as well, as "in c/o Lori Vallow." To my knowledge JJ never lived there.

That is interesting and I cannot work out why she is registered as an heir at that Princeville apartment just from 12th Feb 2020. What is significant about that date?
I don't recognise the names against that address in White Pages either.

ETA according to timeline that was the date of the 2 hour status conference in the Idaho guardianship issue.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

I am digging this reporter also, she is good,



Liliana soto
@LilianaSotoAZ
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5h

I witnessed the moment #LoriVallow arrived to jail in this vehicle. All happening while journalists were diverted to another side by a Public Information Officer...

 

[BigAl16]

Yea, all it takes to be a "prophet" is a bit of forethought, nothing prophetic about it.

Most of these predictions, are based on past events/history, science, and the likelihood of something happening in the near future.

For example: Predicting that the US will get involved in a conflict with the Middle East in the very near future.

Wow, I must be a prophet (Sarcasm).

The really sneaky "prophets, use a combination of multiple techniques, to help pull this off more consistently, and people buy it.

MOO

Make the timing and what you're saying vague enough and anyone can do it. I'll note that it is only the amateurs (aka, those who don't have big numbers in their following) who would give exact date or absolutes in their prophecies. If you make it vague and are good at gaslighting (you misunderstood, what it meant was ...) however, you too can be a prophet.

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

My opinion is that they have already spent around $2o0,000 to $300,000 from Tammy's life insurance and there is no secret house anywhere that they could have purchased.
Expenses after Tammy's death that we know about:

1. Tammy's Utah funeral and Rexburg, ID memorial service (which VI's said seemed rushed and skimped on as far as the personal touches, no funeral potatoes, etc).

2. Flights for Lori and Chad to Kauai, Hawaii to get married.

3. Beach wedding package complete with flower petals in a heart, ukulele, and about 666 photos of the happy couple.

4. Accommodations for the time they were there for their wedding and honeymoon (hotels or various rental homes).

5. Flights back to the mainland where they pretended to settle into newlywed life in the townhouse-Apt Lori rented (except for the part where Chad made it seem like he didn't know Lori very well and didn't have her phone number). Did Chad start paying Lori's apt rent and utilities yet? We don't know, so I'll leave that off the list.

6. Flights out of Idaho after the welfare check on JJ (we don't know where they flew to initially but they both ended up in Los Angeles Airport).

7. A family vacation for all of Chad's kids living in the US to Knotts Berry Farm in California over Thanksgiving (conveniently right after the welfare check).

8. Shipping costs for whatever was in the boxes they sent over to Kauai that arrived ahead of them at the condo.

9. Flights for Lori and Chad back to Kauai from LAX airport on Dec 1st.

10. New clothing in Kauai because they were in such a hurry to make this alleged "pre-planned move" they didn't take much other than some of Lori's clothing. Chad was seen almost exclusively in Kauai themed clothing.

11. Accommodations in Kauai the second time including both their condo rental estimated at $4000 to $6000 per month for at least 3 months rent ( Dec, Jan, Feb).

12. Resort rates for when they decided to hotel hop (even with a local discount they are looking at a couple hundred per night minimum).

13. Rental car costs for both their times on the island and maybe even for the time in California over Thanksgiving. Plus fuel for the cars.

14. Food and beverage costs for all of December, all of January and most of February (Lori was arrested Feb 2oth). They didn't have access to a pepper's stash, so they would have had to hit up Walmart and Costco. And who knows how often they treated themselves to eating out.

15. Rental furniture for their rented condo while they were in Kauai. Rent-a-Center truck was seen taking away the furniture after Chad gave notice he was moving out.

16. Chad's flight back to Idaho after Lori signed a waiver of extradtion, along with a rental car he drove from SLC to Rexburg.

17. New devices (phones, laptop, etc) after the police seized their devices as evidence in the Jan warrant.

18. A last minute trip to Maui on Presidents Day weekend, a time when Maui is considered among the most expensive US place to vacation for that holiday.

19. Attorney fees for Chad and Lori both, first for a lawyer to make a statement after the Dec 20th Rexburg PD Press release on the missing children, then to retain the Kauai Defense Attorney in late January after the court order and warrants were served and more recently so Lori can hire her own 3 attorneys to fight the Idaho charges.

And this is just what I came up with off the top on my head. I'm sure I'm missing some things. And there may be expenses we don't know about yet. Maybe someone who is good at estimating costs can figure out how much all the above list would cost?

MOO.

I agree. Lori seems to like to spend money. She doesn't seem to be grounded in reality. Maybe she thought CD was far wealthier than he actually is. CD may have met LV at some meetings, pretending to be a "big shot" writer, publisher. By the time LV came to Idaho, after the shock of losing her "fortune" with the death of CV, she had a plan, CD would be "rich" when Tammy died.

I believe that Lori thought that no one would miss Tylee or JJ, and she would be perfectly fine in Hawaii. Kay Woodcock definitely ruined that "plan".

 

[investigatefred]

That is interesting and I cannot work out why she is registered as an heir at that Princeville apartment just from 12th Feb 2020. What is significant about that date?
I don't recognise the names against that address in White Pages either.

I am not an attorney, but typically when someone dies and their estate goes to probate, SOMEONE has to file an affidavit of heirs. Perhaps at the initial filing, they did not have Lori's info, therefore it was amended in February when they did. I believe you generally must provide names AND addresses of all immediate heirs... At least in VA you do.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

I am digging this reporter also, she is good,



Liliana soto
@LilianaSotoAZ
·
5h

I witnessed the moment #LoriVallow arrived to jail in this vehicle. All happening while journalists were diverted to another side by a Public Information Officer...

Liliana soto
@LilianaSotoAZ

In my years as a reporter I’ve never seeing something like this...#LoriVallow did not arrive in a white van through sally port like authorities made you & us believe...Why lying? To the press to the public? What else have they lied about?

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Usual apologies about not being able to keep up with this thread so maybe this was discussed.

Shortly before the last thread was closed yesterday, Sticksandspades posted the statute for Abandonment or Nonsupport.

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

Snipped section 2 out for focus, BBM:
(2) Willfully omits, without lawful excuse, to furnish necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical attendance for his or her child or children, or ward or wards; provided however, that the practice of a parent or guardian who chooses for his child treatment by prayer or spiritual means alone shall not for that reason alone be construed to be a violation of the duty of care to such child;

I'm not a lawyer but I interpret this to mean LVD's defense could be that she prayed for the children so she didn't violate the law. I realllly hope I am wrong about this and one of the attorneys, or someone who plays an attorney on WS, can correct me.

If not this, what legs does the defense have to stand on?

I would think they could use it as a defense for not seeking/providing medical services like prescriptions or therapies (the medical attendance wording of the statute), but not for the food, clothing, shelter part of the statute. It is worded strangely, but I dont think any judge would interpret or uphold it to mean differently. Moo.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I agree. Lori seems to like to spend money. She doesn't seem to be grounded in reality. Maybe she thought CD was far wealthier than he actually is. CD may have met LV at some meetings, pretending to be a "big shot" writer, publisher. By the time LV came to Idaho, after the shock of losing her "fortune" with the death of CV, she had a plan, CD would be "rich" when Tammy died.

I believe that Lori thought that no one would miss Tylee or JJ, and she would be perfectly fine in Hawaii. Kay Woodcock definitely ruined that "plan".

I totally agree with you about no one missing Tylee or JJ. If all of the media hadn't picked this up she would still in Hawaii. She never planned on the media element. Thank god for the Woodcocks!

I wonder if she had any idea what a loser Chad was? She probably didn't care, he had some money.

 

[Sticksandspades]

IIRC, I don't think this was for a property per se, BUT was a business loan of some sort that Charles had with them. Therefore, they filed against his estate.

ETA:I forgot to include the quote, but this is in reply to @Sticksandspades above

Yes, page 6 shows a note for 200k, for a business. The folks that loaned CV the money are looking to recoup assets. CV assets are listed as $50 none of which is property.

 

[longtimereader]

Throwing out a little diff line og thought here. If Chad knew Lori longer than first thought due to his trips to AZ and meeting at conferences, it may be that he is more responsible than is thought. Possible that he was already active in their lives in 2018 when Joe died. (Matthew 5:22 - commit adultery if marry divorced woman motive for making her a widow.) He seems very calm and removed from the proceedings. Like he is watching the movie production of one of his books. He may afterall be the puppetmaster in her life? I can't imagine who else she would be dressing up for in court, living in such uncomfortable digs on purpose for, giving up her children and grandchild for? I wonder at her haughty behavior as a cover for shame. Shame in front of Colby her baby boy, shame in front of her former family-in-law, shame the world who all think she is horrible and unattractive when she worked so hard her entire life to have a squeaky clean image and be admired for beauty. Now she is dispised by everyone. If he is responsible, it would be in her best interest to rat him out and save herself. Just an angle that I would investigate if I were LE. I'm not.

 

[Teche]

He could very well. I’m from Acadiana and it’s a very common Cajun-French name.

I thought BB's family lived in Utah, but maybe ties to LA?

 

[JudesCrinkle]

I’ve looked and looked but haven’t found a chart or outline or listing of those who were in court yesterday. Has anyone found one? Thank you!!!

 

[indicolite22]

Jon Noetzel on Twitter

Let's not forget that Chad Daybell came in and left the courthouse through an entrance closed off to everyone else. No other family members or attorneys received that kind of treatment. Something stinks and again I call shenanigans.

 

[Jennihenny]

Our discussion can generally be split into 2 parts, addressing the practical and logistical like: What did Lori and Chad do?; How did they do it?; How are they financing everything?; How involved are they the (at least 3) mysterious deaths?; Where are the kids? Alive or Dead?; Plus a million more questions.
And then there is the religious, spiritual, non-standard LDS beliefs, which I will be the first to admit, I am not well versed.

Thinking about what we have seen Chad and Lori do (and not do), it seems to me that the Doomsday, end of world in July thoughts are not uppermost in their mind or driving their activities. We know Lori loves Hawaii. She tried to get a 1 million dollar bankroll when they killed CV, but that didn't work out. She found somebody else. The bankroll was not as big, but she was able to go back to Hawaii. Did they spend long days preparing for the end of days? Were they recruiting special people to join them in the 144,000? Not really. They were living in a ritzy neighborhood, doing yoga, going to the beach and hanging out at pricey resorts. Lori is the queen of short term planning and doing whatever she wants. I think that if she had not been arrested they would still be living in Princeville, going to the beach, drinking smoothies and occasionally flying to Costco in Maui. I saw no preparation for the coming apocalypse.
Chad may be more into the end of days stuff, but I think Lori just uses it when it suits her purposes and then discards it when she can loll around Kauai. The kids are gone, but she is getting their SS and there is money in the bank. Nothing else to worry about.

I still can’t wrap my head around LV collecting the SS benefits from both kids. Maybe that’s how she’s been able to get around besides TD’s life insurance? This case has a lot of twists and turns but I’m glad at least the judge didn’t go lower than 1 mil. She’s a danger to society and he knows it. Her defense had nothing on Wood. He was making really good points on how she didn’t need her bail dropped and how she has evaded LE. It’s not her first time anyways, she had already had a custody battle back in Texas. She has the power to stop all of this, so WHERE ARE THE KIDS LORI?!

 

[Minty Fresh]

There is likely a cornucopia of convicting crap available.

I'm nominating this for Quote of the Year.

 

[indicolite22]

Jon Noetzel on Twitter

When was the last time you saw a county inmate appear at an IA/bond hearing wearing a fresh coat of makeup? I don't believe I've ever seen that in my near 30 years in this business. Trial yes, IA never. Maybe that's standard procedure in Madison County.