Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #30

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Maybe we should help out the prosecution. We each start sending in pages of material that has little to no bearing on the case per say. Prosecution keeps all of this in a separate folder for their own records. We could make this a worldwide project.

We make sure to flood this with Thousands upon thousands of pages, videos, audio, and so forth. :cool:

When they release all of this info. to the defense, no one says they have to keep it organized. They just jumble it all up and send it as one large messy file.

I say we get about 5-600 Terabytes worth of data should do it. :D
That would be a lot of hard drives though. 1 terabyte will hold about
75 Million pages. So, that is only about 40 billion pages we need to send. LOL

Defense would be pulling out their hair. o_O

MOO
Lol @ how your mind works.
 
Here's the results of my "follow the money" activity for the period around February 2019 when Lori cleaned out the house and bank account. There are lots of questions and loose ends remaining. The material is relevant as it pertains to motive. I have omitted specific names and addresses which are not pertinent. If a mod wants further detail for any reason they can message me.

Business:

Charles and Lori controlled a business entity called "R.I.T.E. Planning Group." It had a (now defunct) website www.riteplanninggroup.com and email addresses. It evidently had a bank account separate from the couple's personal accounts. I can find no registrations for any LLC, LP, or business license for an entity of this name in Hawaii, California, Arizona or Texas. Ditto for business entities listing Charles Vallow as principal, or personal licenses, with one exception (see below).

Charles Vallow was engaged in the selling of annuities. Annuities are a complex and somewhat controversial financial instrument akin to life insurance. Charles was probably a "Managing General Agent" for the annuity company, which meant he ran a number of lower-level agents and was entitled to a cut of their commissions.

The company Charles sold for has an on-line commission FAQ that describes how commissions were spread over time: 3/4 immediately, 1/8 after a year, and the final 1/8 after two years. Commissions were large, and there is no mention of a salary or "draw" to level out the income of salespeople.

The only official license I have located for Charles Vallow is a California license to sell life insurance. The R.I.T.E. website states that they do business in California, and the mainland phone number on that site is registered to an Orange County provider. Charles's divorce petition states that Lori's action prevented payment owed to "contracted representatives in California," and that the Orange County Sheriff's Office was was involved. An email from one of these individuals was made public by MSM and the sender is based in Orange County. This leaves open the question of why Charles was taking business trips to Houston, where he apparently had no license to operate.

House:

The Chandler, AZ house was rented around mid-February 2017 for a listed cost of $4000 per month. It has 5 bedrooms and 5 baths around an indoor pool and is currently given a Zillow value of over $1 million.

It appears that it was rented furnished because there are no MSM reports of anybody arriving with a moving van. This is consistent with the family's lifestyle, which consisted of moving from rental property to rental property.

If the house was on a yearly lease, then the lease would be up in February 2019. This might explain why there have been no reports of the owner complaining about the house having been abruptly abandoned by its residents at that time. The upcoming expiration of the lease (if such is the case) and requirement to move could have been a source of stress on the family.

Cars:

Silver Ford F-150 Pickup, AZ license CPQUINT. I now believe that this was indeed the truck that Charles mentions in his divorce petition as having been taken from the airport by Lori, and was later commandeered rather than owned by Alex Cox. Charles bore more than a passing resemblance to the actor Robert Shaw, which would explain the plates. If this truck was instead really owned by Alex Cox then there is a second F-150 associated with the family that has not been mentioned anywhere I can find, and whose present location is unknown. The question can only be resolved by someone with access to AZ DMV records. The truck now appears to be in the possession of law enforcement.

Black Infiniti Qx70 SUV, license unknown. This appears to have been Lori's primary vehicle in Arizona. This is the vehicle that Lori said she was driving when interviewed by the Gilbert police on 31 January 2019. A lapel video just shows the rear of a black Infiniti SUV in the garage of the house where Charles was shot on 11 July 2019. Disposition of this vehicle is unknown. It is possible that the Infiniti was leased, and was turned in or repossessed.

Dark Green Jeep Wrangler, TX license LWD0997 (variously described as Dark Grey or Black). This vehicle has been described in various accounts as "Tylee's Jeep." If it was, it could not have been driven by her earlier than her 16th birthday on Sept. 24th, 2018. I have no explanation why the Jeep has Texas plates when Tylee was an Arizona resident at the time. This vehicle was identified as being involved in the shooting attempt on BB. It was later driven by someone to Rexburg and impounded by police there.

Overall Impression:

The remarkable thing about this family is their lack of visible assets. Nothing like home equity, mutual fund accounts, or income property seems to have surfaced in all this time. It is possible that they did live hand to mouth, or perhaps had assets that are yet undiscovered.

Great work! CV had quite a huge nut to crack. Its possible on the Jeep that CV bought it in TX, but didnt register it in AZ. CV is paying for 3 vehicles, and $4k /mo rent and LVD embezzles the business funds. Unless CV was evading taxes too, he sure had quite an income. Its possible he did break the law and did business where he wasnt licensed. For this crew It seems money burned right through their fingers... but if they did hide assets: maybe bags of cash, gold coins, other peoples names, aliases, etc. Not paying taxes, stiffing creditors, grifting, drifting, murders, life insurance, divorce loot, etc where did it all go?

Your Quint discovery is remarkable. I have to go with that. But what is the CP part of CPQUINT? Is CV's middle initial "P"? I suppose that was an icebreaker that made it easier to sell annuities.

Was the business entity disclosed? Sole proprietorship, LLC, subchapter S or C Corp?

I think the "CP" was just "license plate talk" for "Captain." I never found anything about the business entity and I searched every combination I could think of. I don't think anything formal existed.
There are a few issues wrong with this theory.
There are two Ford F-150 trucks, both silver color. One owned by Charles, the other owned by Alex.
Charles had a 2016 F-150 in the Platinum package. See the embroidery behind JJ in this photo:
23197930-7869201-image-a-44_1578580613387.jpg


Alex had a 2017 F-150 in the STX package. See FBI photos of his truck (photo taken in impound by LE -- see person in protective suit in reflection on door):
Alex-truck-passenger-side-1200x900.jpg


Alex's truck has AZ plates because he lived there.
20200305-155448-Missing-3.jpg


Lots of ideas of significance of CPQUINT, but no reason it could be in relation to Charles. It wasn't his truck.

Dark Green Jeep Wrangler, TX license LWD0997 (is actually dark grey, the only MSM person known to have said green was Robertson PI, who also called it a Jeep Cherokee) had Texas plates (white plate with Texas silhouette between letter groups) rather than AZ plates because they belong to Charles who lived in TX, while Lori had just a month prior moved to AZ in the home Charles rented for her and the kids. Tylee mentioned to LE on bodycam footage that she drove all the way from TX on her own. I assume she drove her Jeep, and Lori drove the Infiniti.

Black Infiniti Qx70 SUV? Actually QX80 (also TX plate) MOO: Lori sold it to have funds to move and purchase a cheaper Nissan Rogue (first instance of her owning this vehicle is just before move to Idaho). She had no job, "five kids and no money" as she complained to Kay about the life insurance payout. She needed an income quickly!
 
There are a few issues wrong with this theory.
There are two Ford F-150 trucks, both silver color. One owned by Charles, the other owned by Alex.
Charles had a 2016 F-150 in the Platinum package. See the embroidery behind JJ in this photo:
23197930-7869201-image-a-44_1578580613387.jpg


Alex had a 2017 F-150 in the STX package. See FBI photos of his truck (photo taken in impound by LE -- see person in protective suit in reflection on door):
Alex-truck-passenger-side-1200x900.jpg


Alex's truck has AZ plates because he lived there.
20200305-155448-Missing-3.jpg


Lots of ideas of significance of CPQUINT, but no reason it could be in relation to Charles. It wasn't his truck.

Dark Green Jeep Wrangler, TX license LWD0997 (is actually dark grey, the only MSM person known to have said green was Robertson PI, who also called it a Jeep Cherokee) had Texas plates (white plate with Texas silhouette between letter groups) rather than AZ plates because they belong to Charles who lived in TX, while Lori had just a month prior moved to AZ in the home Charles rented for her and the kids. Tylee mentioned to LE on bodycam footage that she drove all the way from TX on her own. I assume she drove her Jeep, and Lori drove the Infiniti.

Black Infiniti Qx70 SUV? Actually QX80 (also TX plate) MOO: Lori sold it to have funds to move and purchase a cheaper Nissan Rogue (first instance of her owning this vehicle is just before move to Idaho). She had no job, "five kids and no money" as she complained to Kay about the life insurance payout. She needed an income quickly!

Thank you for the correction on the trucks, I am (obviously) not an F-150 expert. Now I am puzzled about several things that perhaps you'd help us on:

Lori told the Gilbert police she drove an Infiniti during the 31 January 2019 interview with the Gilbert police. This was before the family's temporary reunion in Houston. Why then would the Infiniti have Texas plates? In the screen grab I have of the 11 July lapel camera vid, the plate, while illegible and partially blocked by the crime scene tape, appears to be white letters on a dark background instead of black on white.

What do you think then happened to Charles's F-150 between February and July 2019? In particular, why do you think he was driving a rental Kia instead of his F-150 when he came to the Chandler house on 11 July?

And finally, why Houston for the reunion after Lori and Tylee returned from Hawaii? What was the draw there?

Not disputing, just stuck for answers.
 
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Thank you for the correction on the trucks, I am (obviously) not an F-150 expert. Now I am puzzled about several things that perhaps you'd help us on:

Lori told the Gilbert police she drove an Infiniti during the 31 January 2019 interview with the Gilbert police. This was before the family's temporary reunion in Houston. Why then would the Infiniti have Texas plates? In the screen grab I have of the 11 July lapel camera vid, the plate, while illegible and partially blocked by the crime scene tape, appears to be white letters on a dark background instead of black on white.

What do you think then happened to Charles's F-150 between February and July 2019? In particular, why do you think he was driving a rental Kia instead of his F-150 when he came to the Chandler house on 11 July?

And finally, why Houston for the reunion after Lori and Tylee returned from Hawaii? What was the draw there?

Not disputing, just stuck for answers.


Regarding this: What do you think then happened to Charles's F-150 between February and July 2019? In particular, why do you think he was driving a rental Kia instead of his F-150 when he came to the Chandler house on 11 July? I might guess that he flew to Arizona and had to rent a car at the airport?
 
Thank you for the correction on the trucks, I am (obviously) not an F-150 expert. Now I am puzzled about several things that perhaps you'd help us on:

Lori told the Gilbert police she drove an Infiniti during the 31 January 2019 interview with the Gilbert police. This was before the family's temporary reunion in Houston. Why then would the Infiniti have Texas plates? In the screen grab I have of the 11 July lapel camera vid, the plate, while illegible and partially blocked by the crime scene tape, appears to be white letters on a dark background instead of black on white.

What do you think then happened to Charles's F-150 between February and July 2019? In particular, why do you think he was driving a rental Kia instead of his F-150 when he came to the Chandler house on 11 July?

And finally, why Houston for the reunion after Lori and Tylee returned from Hawaii? What was the draw there?

Not disputing, just stuck for answers.

Houston...hmmmm. I wonder if Charles had been suggesting a return to Texas for their family for awhile? He would have been closer to his boys, and JJ would have been closer to Kay and Larry. And (at least until the pack of Cox family members that always migrated together moved to Houston) he would be further from them. (Thinking out loud, based on nothing....)

Just in general terms, you get no sense of permanence. Cars, homes, marriages, lives....everything = disposable.
 
NEVER SERVED: Prosecuting attorney Rob Wood says he found out about request for discovery from Lori Vallow’s attorney while reading news article (EIN) on 4/7. The request was filed on 4/2 by Mark Means but Wood claims it was never filed with his office emails and provides inboxes as exhibits in affidavit. Wood does not believe failure of serving request was intentional but simply an error. The notice of non-service says the State is not bound by the deadline of 14 days within 4/2 until proper service is provided.

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
 
There are a few issues wrong with this theory.
There are two Ford F-150 trucks, both silver color. One owned by Charles, the other owned by Alex.
Charles had a 2016 F-150 in the Platinum package. See the embroidery behind JJ in this photo:
23197930-7869201-image-a-44_1578580613387.jpg


Alex had a 2017 F-150 in the STX package. See FBI photos of his truck (photo taken in impound by LE -- see person in protective suit in reflection on door):
Alex-truck-passenger-side-1200x900.jpg


Alex's truck has AZ plates because he lived there.
20200305-155448-Missing-3.jpg


Lots of ideas of significance of CPQUINT, but no reason it could be in relation to Charles. It wasn't his truck.

Dark Green Jeep Wrangler, TX license LWD0997 (is actually dark grey, the only MSM person known to have said green was Robertson PI, who also called it a Jeep Cherokee) had Texas plates (white plate with Texas silhouette between letter groups) rather than AZ plates because they belong to Charles who lived in TX, while Lori had just a month prior moved to AZ in the home Charles rented for her and the kids. Tylee mentioned to LE on bodycam footage that she drove all the way from TX on her own. I assume she drove her Jeep, and Lori drove the Infiniti.

Black Infiniti Qx70 SUV? Actually QX80 (also TX plate) MOO: Lori sold it to have funds to move and purchase a cheaper Nissan Rogue (first instance of her owning this vehicle is just before move to Idaho). She had no job, "five kids and no money" as she complained to Kay about the life insurance payout. She needed an income quickly!
Wow, thanks for clearing that up. So I am back to CPQUINT being a Poker reference. My theory is that Ax fancied himself as a old time wild west rebel; Tax dodger, gunslinger/killer, poker player, tall tale BS artist, and frequenter of brothels. And while LVD may have temporarily have been cash poor, she certainly had one hell of an income before CV was murdered. What did she do with the $35K she ripped off? Who pays cash for an Infiniti? why? Are you sure it was owned without a lien?
 
Houston...hmmmm. I wonder if Charles had been suggesting a return to Texas for their family for awhile? He would have been closer to his boys, and JJ would have been closer to Kay and Larry. And (at least until the pack of Cox family members that always migrated together moved to Houston) he would be further from them. (Thinking out loud, based on nothing....)

Just in general terms, you get no sense of permanence. Cars, homes, marriages, lives....everything = disposable.
How and why was AZ even in the picture? Because Ax AND MBP Lived there? Those who shall not be sleuthed lived there?
TX does not have a state income tax. So I'm puzzled why CV would have a company in CA where there are definitely state taxes, when he was living in TX anyway.
 
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Regarding this: What do you think then happened to Charles's F-150 between February and July 2019? In particular, why do you think he was driving a rental Kia instead of his F-150 when he came to the Chandler house on 11 July? I might guess that he flew to Arizona and had to rent a car at the airport?

According to the timeline he had been in the (rented from friend) Chandler house since late June with Lori and the children. He left the house sometime prior to 10 July and moved into a hotel, then returned to the house in Kia the morning of the 11th to take JJ to school.
 
Wow, thanks for clearing that up. So I am back to CPQUINT being a Poker reference. My theory is that Ax fancied himself as a old time wild west rebel; Tax dodger, gunslinger/killer, poker player, tall tale BS artist, and frequenter of brothels. And while LVD may have temporarily have been cash poor, she certainly had one hell of an income before CV was murdered. What did she do with the $35K she ripped off? Who pays cash for an Infiniti? why? Are you sure it was owned without a lien?

I finally settled on the poker reference as well. Thought about "Jaws", thought about some sort of *advertiser censored* related site... but in the end just thought the poker reference to be most likely. After a while, it just feels like a pain to even care... he's gone and that plate matters nothing---but I gave it way too much attention. ha ha...
 
How and why was AZ even in the picture? Because Ax AND MBP Lived there? Those who shall not be sleuthed lived there?
TX does not have a state income tax. So I'm puzzled why CV would have a company in CA where there are definitely state taxes, when he was living in TX anyway.
I think he just had a rep in CA... lots of companies post more business locations to look bigger than they are. I saw Hawaii on one of those screen shots as well... yeah, he was there, ran some businesses into the ground...but "still sounds good" for business advertisement....
 
How and why was AZ even in the picture? Because Ax AND MBP Lived there? Those who shall not be sleuthed lived there?
TX does not have a state income tax. So I'm puzzled why CV would have a company in CA where there are definitely state taxes, when he was living in TX anyway.

I've never figured out the Arizona move, they didn't even do that legally. At that time, Tylee was legally entitled to have access to her father in Texas. Joe gave up and moved to Phoenix to continue his fight for custody of Tylee there. (And it happened again with the move to Hawaii.)
 
There are a few issues wrong with this theory.
There are two Ford F-150 trucks, both silver color. One owned by Charles, the other owned by Alex.
Charles had a 2016 F-150 in the Platinum package. See the embroidery behind JJ in this photo:
23197930-7869201-image-a-44_1578580613387.jpg


Alex had a 2017 F-150 in the STX package. See FBI photos of his truck (photo taken in impound by LE -- see person in protective suit in reflection on door):
Alex-truck-passenger-side-1200x900.jpg


Alex's truck has AZ plates because he lived there.
20200305-155448-Missing-3.jpg


Lots of ideas of significance of CPQUINT, but no reason it could be in relation to Charles. It wasn't his truck.

Dark Green Jeep Wrangler, TX license LWD0997 (is actually dark grey, the only MSM person known to have said green was Robertson PI, who also called it a Jeep Cherokee) had Texas plates (white plate with Texas silhouette between letter groups) rather than AZ plates because they belong to Charles who lived in TX, while Lori had just a month prior moved to AZ in the home Charles rented for her and the kids. Tylee mentioned to LE on bodycam footage that she drove all the way from TX on her own. I assume she drove her Jeep, and Lori drove the Infiniti.

Black Infiniti Qx70 SUV? Actually QX80 (also TX plate) MOO: Lori sold it to have funds to move and purchase a cheaper Nissan Rogue (first instance of her owning this vehicle is just before move to Idaho). She had no job, "five kids and no money" as she complained to Kay about the life insurance payout. She needed an income quickly!
Yes, I googled cpquint and got az plate for a 2017 Ford f150, it wont give you owners name without paying
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3C_wdQKyhc-jt73yL-TUjp
 
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