arizonamomoffour
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This gets more strange, but, perhaps the children are alive and kept with another family so the "leaders" can honeymoon? (I'm hoping)
This gets more strange, but, perhaps the children are alive and kept with another family so the "leaders" can honeymoon? (I'm hoping)
Same thoughtMakes me wonder if someone's
being homeschooled?
Makes me wonder if someone's
being homeschooled?
I hope it turns out to be a communications conduit. If it is my inclination is that it is a link in the chain to where the kids are.
I hope you're right! (I keep sayin this a lot)
1 - We clearly know each other.
2 - Even as my best friend for a number of years, I can’t see any other option but your last one. The strange things he said to me and I watched him do at the funeral and burial, and his immediate behavior the following day at and after the memorial service, and then everything else he did that has since come out just don’t make any logical connection to your first two possibilities. It is heartbreaking, and I hope I am wrong.
Makes me wonder if someone's
being homeschooled?
The SS payments can be cut off due to no evidence the kids are alive and in Lori's care.
Interesting about the logins. In the age of data science, it's amazing what can be and is easily tracked in an app like a school portal. I don't know this specific software, but, generally you can see user activity based on login, so I don't think it'd be from a "remember me" type of deal...these were intentional logins. User actions and automated actions generally have different behavior signatures, which is how an IT professional or a firewall can discern the intent of the traffic.
Without knowing the full scope of what data is collected...I suspect that for the school to be confident that this was a login by LV, they use something called passive authentication. PA happens in the background without the user ever knowing, and generally consists of matching the device you used to sign up, or that is generally associated with your account, with the device currently attempting login. A lot of places use this tech - credit bureaus, Facebook, credit card companies, etc. In addition to the device fingerprint, there are other checks happening, such as IP trace (known bad actor IP ranges), among other information. It happens in seconds.
As an IT professional, what this situation tells me is that their credential provisioning/deprovisioning process is broken, considering JJ was removed from the school in September and it's now February, and her access was just cut. The access should have been cut upon their exit from the school, but generally, there are periodic access audits to avoid such a thing, especially when it comes to seeing sensitive information about children.
However...this is also a good thing for LE. Each login will have an IP (and a trove of other data) associated with it, even if the pair is smart enough to use a VPN service to hide their true location. In my security days, I used the VPN service IP range to track a ring of fraudsters...it gave me one way to narrow down my field from millions of accounts to thousands...and then in that batch, I found other things that all matched and eventually narrowed my field to around 100. One thing about people - they are creatures of habit and will do things the same way, even if they're trying not to. Something about their habits will come through. In the case of the fraudster ring, the accounts were all set up similarly..same style of name, email, passwords...zebras don't change their stripes.
I don't say any of this to scare anybody, but more to offer insight. LE knows a lot more than they're releasing. They had to have probable cause to get a warrant for electronics, and I suspect their probable cause is coming from data analysis.
All my own opinion, of course.
We can't pinpoint her exact location on exact days in Jan/Feb 2019 yet
Do we know this is true?
What if I had a kid, enrolled her in a prestigious music academy in Europe, then a bunch of relatives I was ticked off at and people online watching headlines said I killed them and complained to the police...police in some podunk town in Idaho demand I show the kids. I say "F-Off, I don't need your stinkin government intrusion. You're not the boss of me!"
Then a judge from the same podunk town issues an order based on nothing but hearsay from relatives and me exercising my right to not submit to a search without a warrant and the coincidence that I had a planned move the following day. "F-off again. I like this game. I've got officials working hard to come after me for something I know they will eventually lose. I'll get to watch them all get fired for squandering taxpayer dollars."
Then when they show up with an arrest warrant from another state I tell them kids are in Europe, safe and sound. These Idaho cops and judges are morons! Are you going to let them stomp on my rights? It will cost me $20,000 to bring the kids back and show you because we fly first class. And it will set them back in school. Your honor, Hawaii needs to pay for me to bring the kids to you, first class. Because you have no authority to order me to spend that kind of money for a frivolous Idaho warrant. Judge says "no" or wastes more taxpayer dollars. Judge asks why I made things so difficult. "Because I can." I smile...
Yeah, I know it does not exactly work that way but the point is, the Idaho judge's orders are questionable at best. Someone said that Idaho has jurisdiction if they were last seen in Idaho. But if someone saw them in Montana, say on the 25th of September, jurisdiction gone and we are back to square one. The witness has no obligation to come forward either. But proceedings are shut down as soon as that weak little fact is false. So prosecution wastes thousands of Idaho taxpayer dollars on a futile quest. Lori can stop that but she has no obligation to do so.
And back to SS...there are periodic reviews from what I understand. But they happen after multiple years, not a few months. And given that the Idaho judge's order was made out of ignorance (meaning lack of knowledge, not that he is an idiot) I doubt it is enough to warrant federal fraud charges or denial of an entitlement. If literal physical custody were required then every kid in a residential private school would lead to parental fraud.
Seriously, If I had bodies on my hands, kids or otherwise, I'd be heading somewhere that does not have extradition with the US. There are many beautiful tropical islands they could easily get to that fit that description. I would not be checking into hotels in my own name in a US state.
The more I observe their behavior the more convinced I am that the kids are safe and they are taunting LE. I do think they had something to do with the deaths of their spouses but my theory on that is that they will get away with it because there is no solid evidence to convict. Everything will be pinned on AC acting alone and he can't defend himself.
Here is the part of the timeline that suggests to me he could have been in Hawaii when Lori and Tylee were there. It is my speculation only because they were at a Boise conference together then Lori is in Kauai for a month with Tylee.
Feb 2019 - CV learned Lori was going to Boise with a friend for a talk or conference; CV and his lawyers made attempts to serve Lori divorce papers and order of protection papers at the airport, a hotel, and a public event. All attempts to find Lori were unsuccessful (Fox 10 Phoenix; Post Register).
15-16 Feb 2019 – Chad attends a 2-day event in Boise and Middleton, ID. Chad Speaks at the event on Feb 16. The organizers of the event say this is the last time Chad spoke at one of their events (Event Flyer, PAP Media Statement).
Feb 2019 – CV hears that Lori is living with her brother Alex in San Tan Valley, AZ. CV then attempts to serve Lori with papers at AC’s house but that too was unsuccessful, despite the fact that both Lori & AC’s cars were in the driveway at AC’s home (Post Register).
Feb 2019 - Lori and Tylee checked into a Kauai resort after CV filed for divorce. They stayed for around a month, according to resort workers, and then returned to the mainland (EastIdahoNews).
We know of someone who cannot be named who works in that field associated closely with Lori not Chad.I'm wondering if there's anybody in TD's family circle who's into those herbal supplements, or who sells for a company like Nature's Sunshine etc., or otherwise involved in the health supplements lifestyle?
Sweet, AWESOME. Do you have any guess of what kinds of data they might be able to pull from Tylee's phone (found on LV in Hawaii) considering it might have been turned off for a few months..
Do we know this is true?
What if I had a kid, enrolled her in a prestigious music academy in Europe, then a bunch of relatives I was ticked off at and people online watching headlines said I killed them and complained to the police...police in some podunk town in Idaho demand I show the kids. I say "F-Off, I don't need your stinkin government intrusion. You're not the boss of me!"
Then a judge from the same podunk town issues an order based on nothing but hearsay from relatives and me exercising my right to not submit to a search without a warrant and the coincidence that I had a planned move the following day. "F-off again. I like this game. I've got officials working hard to come after me for something I know they will eventually lose. I'll get to watch them all get fired for squandering taxpayer dollars."
Then when they show up with an arrest warrant from another state I tell them kids are in Europe, safe and sound. These Idaho cops and judges are morons! Are you going to let them stomp on my rights? It will cost me $20,000 to bring the kids back and show you because we fly first class. And it will set them back in school. Your honor, Hawaii needs to pay for me to bring the kids to you, first class. Because you have no authority to order me to spend that kind of money for a frivolous Idaho warrant. Judge says "no" or wastes more taxpayer dollars. Judge asks why I made things so difficult. "Because I can." I smile...
Yeah, I know it does not exactly work that way but the point is, the Idaho judge's orders are questionable at best. Someone said that Idaho has jurisdiction if they were last seen in Idaho. But if someone saw them in Montana, say on the 25th of September, jurisdiction gone and we are back to square one. The witness has no obligation to come forward either. But proceedings are shut down as soon as that weak little fact is false. So prosecution wastes thousands of Idaho taxpayer dollars on a futile quest. Lori can stop that but she has no obligation to do so.
And back to SS...there are periodic reviews from what I understand. But they happen after multiple years, not a few months. And given that the Idaho judge's order was made out of ignorance (meaning lack of knowledge, not that he is an idiot) I doubt it is enough to warrant federal fraud charges or denial of an entitlement. If literal physical custody were required then every kid in a residential private school would lead to parental fraud.
Seriously, If I had bodies on my hands, kids or otherwise, I'd be heading somewhere that does not have extradition with the US. There are many beautiful tropical islands they could easily get to that fit that description. I would not be checking into hotels in my own name in a US state.
The more I observe their behavior the more convinced I am that the kids are safe and they are taunting LE. I do think they had something to do with the deaths of their spouses but my theory on that is that they will get away with it because there is no solid evidence to convict. Everything will be pinned on AC acting alone and he can't defend himself.
That's the regular NCL ship, Pride of America, that makes the same route every week. Guess a group of whackos will be aboard that week. Same as every other week.I am scratching my head over this. The cruise is already half full.
I do not know anyone from Tammy’s family circle to be involved in Nature’s Sunshine, nor any other health or lifestyle company, nor MLM of any type.I'm wondering if there's anybody in TD's family circle who's into those herbal supplements, or who sells for a company like Nature's Sunshine etc., or otherwise involved in the health supplements lifestyle?
And regardless of all that, the Ws have filed for custody. That's a whole different ballgame. That is one avenue where they could get in real big trouble if they don't produce those kids if/when the time comes.