Originally Posted by julianne
Did the Ramsey's actually claim that JBR took the panties out of the package and put them on herself?? OR, did they state that they themselves didn't put them on her??
Read the August, 2000 transcript of the interview with Patsy...
21 Q. Okay. What we are trying to
22 understand is whether -- we are trying to
23 understand why she is wearing such a large
24 pair of underpants. We are hoping you can
25 help us if you have a recollection of it.
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1 A. I am sure that I put the package
2 of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened
3 them and put them on.
Originally Posted by julianne
The prior sexual abuse was also refuted by many experts, was it not?
Not refuted, no. Two experts were not certain or unclear which is hardly the same thing as refuted...
ST - pg 253*
"In mid-September, a panel of pediatric experts from around the country reached one of the major conclusions of the investigation - that JonBenet had suffered vaginal trauma prior to the day she was killed. There were no dissenting opinions among them on the issue, and they firmly rejected any possibility that the trauma to the hymen and chronic vaginal inflammation were caused by urination issues or masturbation.
We gathered affidavits stating in clear language that there were injuries
'consistent with prior trauma and sexual abuse'
'There was chronic abuse'. . .
'Past violation of the vagina'. . .
'Evidence of both acute and injury and chronic sexual abuse.'
In other words, the doctors were saying it had happened before. One expert summed it up well when he said the injuries were not consistent with sexual assault, but with a child who was being physically abused."
Experts' Opinions of Prior Abuse Was Present
PMPT - pg 437
- Dr. Cyril Wecht*
- Dr. David Jones
Professor of Preventative Medicine and Biometrics
University of CO Health Sciences Center
- Dr. James Monteleone
Professor of Pediatrics
St. Louis University School of Medicine
Director of Child Protection
Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital
- Dr. John McCann**
Clincial Professor of Medicine
Dept of Pediatrics
Univeristy of California at Davis
- Dr. Richard Krugman
Dean of Colorado University Health Sciences Center
- Dr. Werner Spitz
- Dr. Ronald Wright
Former Medical Examiner
Cook County Illinois
~Stated flatly that it was clear the girl's vagina had been penetrated. ... He too took issue with Krugman's interpretation: "Somebody's injured her vagina. And she's tied up. Doesn't that make it involuntary sexual battery?" Wright asked.~
*Cyril Wecht was indignant with and openly critical of Dr. Krugman's statements:
"How can anybody say, with the blood and the abrasions, that this was not suxual assault? What is he [Krugman] talking about?"
PMPT pg 361
**http://news.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mccann.html
Among his achievements in the field of child abuse, McCann established the standards for what is considered normal and abnormal in child and adolescent examinations. He also developed the "multi-method" examination approach that is now used throughout the western world. His research in the healing of anal and genital injuries in children also is used by examiners to determine evidence of child abuse. His study on postmortem perianal findings in children and adolescents is standard reference in the field, and he has jointly published a cd-rom atlas, called "The Anatomy of Child and Adolescent Sexual Abuse," that is used as a reference among examiners everywhere. Moreover, based on his research and reputation, McCann is invited to speak throughout the world, from India to Sweden to England before the British Royal Society of Medicine about the field of child abuse.
Abuse or Not Summary
Precise summary of physicians' opinions on if there was prior abuse.
Seven physicians on whether or not there was prior sexual abuse of JonBenet.
All seven experts agreed there was evidence of chronic sexual abuse, although one appeared to be undecided.
Five of the medical doctors believed that prior sexual abuse had occurred:
- Cyril Wecht
- David Jones
- James Monteleone
- John McCann
- Ronald Wright
Two of the medical doctors were unclear in their responses:
- Richard Krugman
- Werner Spitz
KRUGMAN
PMPT pb pg 467
"JonBenet was not a sexually abused child. I don't believe it's possible to tell whether any child is sexually abused on physical findings alone."
Krugman added that the presence of semen, evidence of a STD, or the child's medical history combined with the child's own testimony were the only ways to confirm sexual abuse.
What Krugman has described are general guidelines to identify sexual abuse in a child. Krugman has not denied physical evidence of past sexual abuse, and goes on to describe how to generally identify chronic sexual abuse in a child.
This statement caused Cyril Wecht to publicly criticize Krugman's report. Wecht said "What is Krugman talking about?"
SPITZ
PMPT pb pg 557 & 560
"The injury to JonBenet's vagina had happened either at or immediately prior to her death -- not earlier."
Spitz was referring to the
acute injury to the vagina; that which had occurred that night, not the chronic injury. He made that acute injury conclusion based on Meyer's description of the vaginal mucosa,
"Acute inflammatory infiltrate is not seen"
which means there were no white blood cells present at the site of injury, which means she died before the white blood cells could arrive at the site of the injury.
PMPT pb pg 560
Spitz commented on the chronic injuries to the vagina by stating
"There is no clear indication of prior penetration."
Notice that Spitz did not say there was no prior penetration. He said there was no
clear indication of prior penetration; he was cautious and undecided.
JTPF pg 17
Internationally known forensic psychiatrist Dr. Judianne Densen-Gerber studied the autopsy report and came to the conclusion that JBR's vaginal injuries, - new and healed - raised the chilling possibility that she had been the victim of sexual abuse in the past - in the weeks or even months prior to the murder.