If Terri is guilty...why isn't she cracking?

[Emma Peel]

She is alleged to have asked someone to kill her husband. And whatever happened, the person she is alleged to have asked did not feel that the incident was important enough to immediately report it to the police.

The latter is a major point for the defense, IMHO.

Most important--alleged.

see BBM above -

I missed that fact, which would be, IMO, very important. Do we know that this was the MFH LS's opinion - via MSM or somehow? Did they really feel it wasn't important enough to immediately report, or did they just opt not to report it?

I keep thinking the LS was flushed out and forced to come forward because of bank and cellphone records ... and that something in there is important enough for a GJ to consider ... JMO on that, of course...

 

[JBean]

A guilty or an innocent person would be stupid to "crack" and would get a lawyer and keep quiet until the State makes a charge against her. There are far too many people willing to consider her a psychopath or a narcissist or any other pejorative statement. There is nothing Terri Horman can say to the public to change the course this case has taken. It's time for the State to prove its case and let the chips fall where they may.

I concur debs. let's not forget that the ability to remain silent and not make any kind of incriminating statement is, in large part, designed to protect the innocent.
If I realized i were the target of an investigation, innocent or guilty, I would defintiely remain silent and no inference should be drawn from my choice to do so.
Of all the issues, questions, and behaviors surrounding TH, the one thing that does not influence my perception is her silence.

 

[LadyL]

because she has no conscience IMO MOO JMO

 

[Kat010]

see BBM above -

I missed that fact, which would be, IMO, very important. Do we know that this was the MFH LS's opinion - via MSM or somehow? Did they really feel it wasn't important enough to immediately report, or did they just opt not to report it?

I keep thinking the LS was flushed out and forced to come forward because of bank and cellphone records ... and that something in there is important enough for a GJ to consider ... JMO on that, of course...

Good points, Emma, and you're right. I was making the assumption that whatever happened did not alarm the LS enough to send him to the police at that time.

Now, why it didn't alarm him enough--who knows? Maybe he hates police and it would take something huge for him to go to police. Dunno.

But the fact remains--a fact the defense will seize upon--that he didn't report the incident to the police. Which is curious to me, but maybe not to everyone. Obviously not everyone reports everything strange!

 

[Chablis]

She is alleged to have asked someone to kill her husband. And whatever happened, the person she is alleged to have asked did not feel that the incident was important enough to immediately report it to the police.

The latter is a major point for the defense, IMHO.

Most important--alleged.

What I do know if a Judge granted a restraining order on her and she cant see her daughter, these judgments are not made lightly.

Also, its not a crime to be SOLICITED for murder, just because the person did not report it right away means nothing, we dont know if she was having a sexual relationship with them, and they were married, we really dont know the dynamics of why the person didn't go to the cops, maybe they hoped she was just joking, I dont know. But I am more than sure the cops didn't believe this person blindly. I am sure there were phone records between the two, I am sure there was something to indicate Terri knew him/or her, and Kaine didn't even know there was a landscaper! Terri probably was passing off their work as hers, I mean, its obvious she was a ticking time bomb.

Having a little guy come up missing sometimes makes people do the right thing, eventually. Terri knew she was being investigated when the guy went to her home and asked about the MFH, she played it just right, what a little actress she is, calling the cops because this guy was asking for money! She knew exactly how to play it, she had to have known that was going to come up and bite her in the rear.

She's slick, but shes not that slick, its all catching up with her.

jmo

 

[cypress]

IIRC.. I do believe some professionals who have been interviewed on several shows I have watched have referred to her as having an antisocial personality disorder with narcissistic sociopathic tendencies....Criteria I have read also point to that being the case..JMHOOTS

Several verified professionals on this site said they would never attempt to diagnose anyone without meeting them, spending time with them, and a battery of tests through which they might better understand the individual.

I would like to know if anyone on the news who has diagnosed Terri has ever met with or spoken to her, if they have spent time with her, and if she has submitted to any tests.

 

[JBean]

remember we have posters that are verified as professionals in the mental health or psychology fields.
If a post here is made by someone that is not a verified professional, you can rest assured it is just an opinion and should be given as much weight as you deem appropriate. With that said, I don't think any of our professionals would make a "diagnosis", but they may have more qualified input and you may choose to give their opinion more weight.

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[cypress]

What I do know if a Judge granted a restraining order on her and she cant see her daughter, these judgments are not made lightly.

I would assume imprisoning someone for raping and murdering his child wouldn't be taken lightly and wouldn't happen in error, either, and yet I'm fairly certain Riley Fox's father has a different perspective than most of us. Or Riley Fox's mother, whose daughter was raped and murdered, and whose marriage to her high school sweetheart fell apart because LE had tunnel vision and missed what, in retrospect, was painfully obvious.

 

[sofia76]

If she keeps her mouth shut she may get away with this. First thing any good defense lawyer will tell you is CLOSE YOUR MOUTH. Don't say anything. The police are trying to build a case without a body and probably with mostly circumstantial evidence (read: Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony). It is not easy. I'm hoping this case will be resolved the way Heather Mallory's disappearance was resolved.

 

[SacreBleu]

Because, regardless of whether she is innocent or guilty of being responsibile for Kyron's disappearance, Terri is completely convinced that she is completely justified in her actions.

 

[Emma Peel]

I concur debs. let's not forget that the ability to remain silent and not make any kind of incriminating statement is, in large part, designed to protect the innocent.
If I realized i were the target of an investigation, innocent or guilty, I would defintiely remain silent and no inference should be drawn from my choice to do so.
Of all the issues, questions, and behaviors surrounding TH, the one thing that does not influence my perception is her silence.

Y'all are talking great sense of course.

But how does Terri help Kyron in this situation by remaining silent? (ah. the conundrum.)

Or, put another way - would you choose exercise your right remain silent if you were the innocent target of an investigation regarding the disappearance of the child to whom you were a primary caregiver? (That's a rhetorical question.)

IMO - Terri is being judged in exercising her right to remain silent, and to retain counsel even - said conundrum being unique to missing children's (and sometimes missing significants) cases...

It's further confused by the fact that Terri's not really remained "silent" and she has cooperated ... but apparently not quite to the complete satisfaction of LE.

It's an old story, isn't it. A sad, old story. I'm so sad for Kyron.

 

[JBean]

If she keeps her mouth shut she may get away with this. First thing any good defense lawyer will tell you is CLOSE YOUR MOUTH. Don't say anything. The police are trying to build a case without a body and probably with mostly circumstantial evidence (read: Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony). It is not easy. I'm hoping this case will be resolved the way Heather Mallory's disappearance was resolved.

It almost has to be all circumstantial evidence because there is no direct evidence to date. If there were eyewitness testimony or a tape of her comitting a crime, she would be arrested.
Remember direct evidence can prove the crime without any kind of speculation or assumption, ie I saw TH kill or kidnap Kyron. If we had a tape of or a witness to the crime, I promise you she would be in jail.

If LE is close to finding some direct evidence by way of an eyewitness or tape, they do not have the evidence yet, imo.

ETA: just to clarify: there is absolutely nothing wrong with a circumstantial case. A good many cases are proven by way of circumstantial evidence and that is a respectable standard.

 

[wenwe4]

At this point, what benefit would it be to TH to "crack" and tell something tangible about Kyron? If she is involved then I see 2 options: 1) Kyron is alive and somewhere else being hidden and she knows where his is or 2) Kyron is deceased and she knows info about his demise and where his remains could be found. Either sceanario puts her behind bars for many years and right now she hasn't seen the inside of the jail - let alone a cell.

 

[cluciano63]

If she has nothing more to offer as far as helping Kyron, i.e. if she has told all she knows, there is no reason for her to speak at all. No one will believe anything she says, short of a "confession." In time, we may know if she is a chronic liar, a sociopath, a murderer, etc...but we don't know that now, at least I don't.

I just hope we do know someday and yet am prepared for the scenario that we may never know. There is no guarantee that this case will be solved, that Kyron will ever be found or that anyone will ever be charged. We hope that all of the above will happen, but it doesn't always work out that way.

 

[JBean]

Y'all are talking great sense of course.

But how does Terri help Kyron in this situation by remaining silent? (ah. the conundrum.)

Or, put another way - would you choose exercise your right remain silent if you were the innocent target of an investigation regarding the disappearance of the child to whom you were a primary caregiver? (That's a rhetorical question.)

IMO - Terri is being judged in exercising her right to remain silent, and to retain counsel even - said conundrum being unique to missing children's (and sometimes missing significants) cases...

It's further confused by the fact that Terri's not really remained "silent" and she has cooperated ... but apparently not quite to the complete satisfaction of LE.

It's an old story, isn't it. A sad, old story. I'm so sad for Kyron.

HI Emma. It is not a conundrum,imo.

If she is innocent and has no information to reveal the whereabouts of Kyron, why would her silence impact the investigation? IOW, if she has already told them what she knows relating to Kyron and it is not helpful and she is innocent, then her silence is moot.

OTOH, if she is guilty, then she is certainly not interested in helping Kyron, so her silence and criminal behavior are only about her own self serving agenda anyway. So why would she say anything? she wouldn't and she would be foolish to do so unless she had a sudden attack of conscience and wanted to repent. or if they got down the road to a plea deal which would only be another self serving behavior.

In theory we are not to be judged by the jury for remaining silent because it is our right to do so.

 

[STEADFAST]

HI Emma. It is not a conundrum,imo.

If she is innocent and has no information to reveal the whereabouts of Kyron, why would her silence impact the investigation? IOW, if she has already told them what she knows relating to Kyron and it is not helpful and she is innocent, then her silence is moot.

OTOH, if she is guilty, then she is certainly not interested in helping Kyron, so her silence and criminal behavior are only about her own self serving agenda anyway. So why would she say anything? she wouldn't and she would be foolish to do so unless she had a sudden attack of conscience and wanted to repent. or if they got down the road to a plea deal which would only be another self serving behavior.

In theory we are not to be judged by the jury for remaining silent because it is our right to do so.

So there's the answer to the thread. Good post.

 

[Chablis]

Several verified professionals on this site said they would never attempt to diagnose anyone without meeting them, spending time with them, and a battery of tests through which they might better understand the individual.

I would like to know if anyone on the news who has diagnosed Terri has ever met with or spoken to her, if they have spent time with her, and if she has submitted to any tests.

It really doesn't matter. What we know about Terri, and about various other people who commit murder, there are some sort of familiar characteristics they all share. No one here is claiming to diagnose her, but I think ignoring the obvious is very dangerous.

 

[wondering1]

see BBM above -

I missed that fact, which would be, IMO, very important. Do we know that this was the MFH LS's opinion - via MSM or somehow? Did they really feel it wasn't important enough to immediately report, or did they just opt not to report it?

I keep thinking the LS was flushed out and forced to come forward because of bank and cellphone records ... and that something in there is important enough for a GJ to consider ... JMO on that, of course...

I agree. Especially since the similarities between the relationship TH had with both the LS and MC have been reported as having come from LE and have been submitted to the court by KH's attorney. I think this is more than just he said, she said. Maybe even more than that which can possibly be explained away as innocent in light of the context, which LE has and we don't. jmoo

 

[Emma Peel]

HI Emma. It is not a conundrum,imo.

If she is innocent and has no information to reveal the whereabouts of Kyron, why would her silence impact the investigation? IOW, if she has already told them what she knows relating to Kyron and it is not helpful and she is innocent, then her silence is moot.

OTOH, if she is guilty, then she is certainly not interested in helping Kyron, so her silence and criminal behavior are only about her own self serving agenda anyway. So why would she say anything? she wouldn't and she would be foolish to do so unless she had a sudden attack of conscience and wanted to repent. or if they got down the road to a plea deal which would only be another self serving behavior.

In theory we are not to be judged by the jury for remaining silent because it is our right to do so.

Oh I agree, it's not a conundrum for Terri, who knows what the heck is going on with regard to her reasons for opting for silence.

It's a conundrum for me. :blushing:

I'm not on the jury, not in LE, not even a resident of Oregon. I'm just on here WS. I have no idea what the heck is going on. So, I get to stew about her silence and let it frustrate me into having another brownie.

 

[bessie]

The police have put serious pressure on Terri, letting it be known that they think she is responsible for Kyron's disappearance. They've focused on her friends to influence her further & the press has demonised her. She has also lost her daughter, husband & home. There is a lack of evidence in this case & I was initially scepticle that she was involved. However, her behaviour since is starting to convince me. What I can't understand is why she hasn't cracked yet. She must be under enormous strain, I feel that it's just a matter of time before she breaks. After all she's not got much left to lose! Has she got more of a support system than we realise, I thought she hadn't got contact with Dede & other friends now...

She's got a lot left to lose: her freedom. Hope. If she admits harming Kyron, that goes away, along with whatever little support system she might have left. If she's innocent, then there is nothing to tell.

The third possibility is that she was participating in another activity unrelated to Kyron that she didn't want revealed, e.g., an affair. I considered that at first, but after all that has transpired, it appears highly unlikely, unless the other activity was equally nefarious and would result in similar consequences.