If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[DeDee]

I had never heard that before! How odd, beaver hair. I wonder if they could have been mistaken and that the hairs were all dog hairs, perhaps from a pet at the place they were visiting earlier that evening. Or an old beaver fur coat or a taxidermy item at the place. Or from a fur hat or similar from their own house. I guess the paintbrush was ruled out as the source of the hairs. But maybe another one that was disposed of.

Should the evidence of Beaver Hairs on JB's hand be considered as someone being mistaken because it is odd evidence?
s-evidence-fibers.htm

If something seems strange and out of place in a child's murder, it cannot be ignored, can it? Shouldn't it be explored?

Within 7 short years...

In 1989, Ramsey formed the Advanced Product Group, one of three companies that merged to become Access Graphics. He became president and chief executive officer of Access Graphics, a computer services company that became a subsidiary of Lockheed Martin in 1991.[6]

In 1996, Access Graphics grossed over $1 billion, and Ramsey was named "Entrepreneur of the Year" by the Boulder Chamber of Commerce.[7]

The islands of the Beaver Islands archipelago include, in approximate order of size from largest to smallest:

Beaver Island

• Garden Island
• High Island
• South Fox Island
• Hog Island
• North Fox Island
• Gull Island
• Whiskey Island
• Ojibwa Island
• Trout Island
• Grape Island
• Hat Island
• Shoe Island
• Pismire Island

 

[Andreee]

Should the evidence of Beaver Hairs on JB's hand be considered as someone being mistaken because it is odd evidence?
s-evidence-fibers.htm

If something seems strange and out of place in a child's murder, it cannot be ignored, can it? Shouldn't it be explored?

Within 7 short years...

Of course!

 

[Tangy]

I feel like the ransom note is the ONLY thing the parents did. What has always made me feel BR did it is that, what was done to her is so chaotic and seems more in line with a kid experimenting than parents being in shock and covering it up by doing crazy things to her.
The fact they didn't search that entire house is what has always put me off an intruder theory. If I found a note, you bet I would be searching every inch to be sure I am not being messed with. I would also at the same time be paranoid that they may still be there so I would be on the phone with someone at the same time just in case.

 

[SweetDreamsAreMadeOfCheez]

I feel like the ransom note is the ONLY thing the parents did. What has always made me feel BR did it is that, what was done to her is so chaotic and seems more in line with a kid experimenting than parents being in shock and covering it up by doing crazy things to her.
The fact they didn't search that entire house is what has always put me off an intruder theory. If I found a note, you bet I would be searching every inch to be sure I am not being messed with. I would also at the same time be paranoid that they may still be there so I would be on the phone with someone at the same time just in case.

I bounce between the three of them being the murderer as I read the different threads on here and the points of view of the evidence they are scrutinizing. I often wonder if it was BR, has he hurt others under the radar since? Does his father still cover for him? Just things I ponder based on my opinions.

 

[Gigiky]

I think I read somewhere that there is still DNA that could be tested. Why would not they just test it already. SMH!

 

[Meara]

I think I read somewhere that there is still DNA that could be tested. Why would not they just test it already. SMH!

I don't know what BPD's position is right now, but for a long time they reserved the remaining DNA until testing technology evolved further. They don't have a lot of the DNA left, and testing uses up quite a bit.

 

[Gunther Toody]

I don't know what BPD's position is right now, but for a long time they reserved the remaining DNA until testing technology evolved further. They don't have a lot of the DNA left, and testing uses up quite a bit.

DNA amplification would allow for testing if they wanted to.

DNA amplification is a process that increases the number of copies of a specific DNA region. This can be useful when there is little DNA to work with, as it allows researchers to obtain more of the target DNA for analysis or further experiments.

One common method for DNA amplification is the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR is a technique that uses a DNA polymerase enzyme to synthesize new strands of DNA based on a template. By repeating this process multiple times, the amount of the target DNA can be exponentially increased.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

DNA amplification would allow for testing if they wanted to.

DNA amplification is a process that increases the number of copies of a specific DNA region. This can be useful when there is little DNA to work with, as it allows researchers to obtain more of the target DNA for analysis or further experiments.

One common method for DNA amplification is the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR is a technique that uses a DNA polymerase enzyme to synthesize new strands of DNA based on a template. By repeating this process multiple times, the amount of the target DNA can be exponentially increased.

If the DNA is a mixture of several person's DNA would this not require even more than usual if even possible to come up with a single identity or say 4 or 6 people. If the amounts are so miniscule, even if possible, I'm not sure we would learn anything that could prosecute anyone.

 

[Gunther Toody]

If the DNA is a mixture of several person's DNA would this not require even more than usual if even possible to come up with a single identity or say 4 or 6 people. If the amounts are so miniscule, even if possible, I'm not sure we would learn anything that could prosecute anyone.

Likely not. All it may accomplish is to identify people who came in contact with the victim.

 

[SweetDreamsAreMadeOfCheez]

IMO there will never be a trial for this case because of the crime scene contamination. JR moving her body, friends and the R's being allowed to roam around the house, the large number of cops moving in and out. And all of this is if an IDI. The suspect would have the perfect defense in the crime scene being contaminated. The only chance for a trial would be a cascade of circumstantial evidence. And if RDI, it makes it even more difficult prosecute because what is evidence and what isn't? I thought I heard they ran DNA again in 2021. At least I thought I heard that in a podcast that JR was interviewed in.

 

[Meara]

DNA amplification would allow for testing if they wanted to.

DNA amplification is a process that increases the number of copies of a specific DNA region. This can be useful when there is little DNA to work with, as it allows researchers to obtain more of the target DNA for analysis or further experiments.

One common method for DNA amplification is the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR is a technique that uses a DNA polymerase enzyme to synthesize new strands of DNA based on a template. By repeating this process multiple times, the amount of the target DNA can be exponentially increased.

Thank you for filling in that information, GT.

How do things stand right now? Is JR saying the remaining DNA can be amplified and tested, but BPD are refusing to go forward with that, or not refusing but dragging their heels? Or, is he saying that,either way, the pressure is on, and he expects to succeed in having new DNA testing done? Please remind me; I've lost track. Normally, I feel responsible for "doing my own homework," but I've had a lot going on just lately.

 

[Gunther Toody]

Thank you for filling in that information, GT.

How do things stand right now? Is JR saying the remaining DNA can be amplified and tested, but BPD are refusing to go forward with that, or not refusing but dragging their heels? Or, is he saying that,either way, the pressure is on, and he expects to succeed in having new DNA testing done? Please remind me; I've lost track. Normally, I feel responsible for "doing my own homework," but I've had a lot going on just lately.

I think that the only way amplified or other DNA would be beneficial is if it were located where it should not be...like inside of JB underwear or internally inside her.

I am sure these were tested, but what were the findings?

 

[CloudedTruth]

DNA amplification would allow for testing if they wanted to.

DNA amplification is a process that increases the number of copies of a specific DNA region. This can be useful when there is little DNA to work with, as it allows researchers to obtain more of the target DNA for analysis or further experiments.

One common method for DNA amplification is the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR is a technique that uses a DNA polymerase enzyme to synthesize new strands of DNA based on a template. By repeating this process multiple times, the amount of the target DNA can be exponentially increased.

It’s my understanding that amplification is still not yet being widely used for various reasons, although testing has proven it to be a reliable method of how to work with minimal DNA material, especially with touch DNA. There seems to be a reluctance, particularly in the US to validate amplification (guidelines need to be changed/updated), as it would eliminate the quantification step that most labs currently use and is a regulatory mandate. So it isn’t as simple as they could do it if they wanted to, current regulations in place do not allow for the quantification step (which PCA amplification does not use as part of the process) to be bypassed. And the quantification process uses up more of the already minimal DNA samples that are left.

 

[kaykay543]

IMO DNA will never solve this case and the R's know it.

Answer me this. If you went through this and your daughter died; would you ever forget to turn your security alarm on again for your house? I wouldn't. Yet once again in 2001 JR forgot to set the security alarm and his Atlanta house was broken into. Through a basment door no less. And the "intruder" was never found. Of course only JR was home at the time. IMO things that never happened. JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case: The Denver Post.

 

[CloudedTruth]

IMO DNA will never solve this case and the R's know it.

Answer me this. If you went through this and your daughter died; would you ever forget to turn your security alarm on again for your house? I wouldn't. Yet once again in 2001 JR forgot to set the security alarm and his Atlanta house was broken into. Through a basment door no less. And the "intruder" was never found. Of course only JR was home at the time. IMO things that never happened. JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case: The Denver Post.

Completely agree.

For me a big red flag about the alarm system at the Boulder house was the claim JR made that he felt they were being watched by someone in the months that preceded the murder of JBR. You have a working alarm system, and you supposedly have a broken window in the basement that was never repaired. But you think you're being watched which puts your family at possible risk. And you have means to protect your family literally at your fingertips. Does that make any sense?

The R's told police they had not used the alarm system for years. The reason for turning it off was because at the time they were originally using it, the house was under construction and workers were going in and out all the time. So it became inconvenient. This of course makes some sense, but it does not explain why you wouldn't turn it on for overnight. Also, at one point when she was 2-3 years old and around the same timeframe, JBR accidentally set it off when she was trying to open the garage door. This resulted in emergency services sending vehicles and personnel to the house.

By the time the murder occurred, JBR was 6 years old. Old enough to understand about the alarm and to be told not to touch it. Yet another story told by the R's that just doesn't add up to anyone with common sense.

 

[proust20]

DNA cannot solve the crime per se.

Not only was the house's security system not turned on, but the dog was staying at a neighbor's.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I had never heard that before! How odd, beaver hair. I wonder if they could have been mistaken and that the hairs were all dog hairs, perhaps from a pet at the place they were visiting earlier that evening. Or an old beaver fur coat or a taxidermy item at the place. Or from a fur hat or similar from their own house. I guess the paintbrush was ruled out as the source of the hairs. But maybe another one that was disposed of.

IIRC, PR had a pair of boots that were lined with fur, said to be beaver fur. I have read that she wore those boots to the Whites Christmas dinner that night. She also had a coat that was lined with Nutria fur. LE wanted to collect those items for testing, but the DA would not approve a warrant / subpoena in order to do so.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

IIRC, PR had a pair of boots that were lined with fur, said to be beaver fur. I have read that she wore those boots to the Whites Christmas dinner that night. She also had a coat that was lined with Nutria fur. LE wanted to collect those items for testing, but the DA would not approve a warrant / subpoena in order to do so.

As I recall watching her walk out her door on the 26th with bag on her arm … PR had on dark colored boots and a long fur coat.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

I believe there are some key points that should be touched on in this case. I often look at the estate sales in my area and there more times then not: golf clubs. This may seem beside the point but hear me out. In looking at the clubs it seems to me that is exactly what JB was struck with. The size and angle fits like a piece to a puzzle. JR requested PP retrieve a bag of golf clubs from the basement. Why would a father be concerned about going golfing when his daughter had just been murdered? I for one would not be concerned about Extracurricular activities.

Also, why did DP take a standby flight on the 24th? He had plenty of time to book his flight before hand. DP is where the “fat cats” club came from. He and Nedra babysat both kids. DP built the good ship lollipop float that JB rode on. He was also in attendance for the R’s Christmas party on the 23rd which the first 911 call was placed. I predict PR was sexually abused. According to NP all children are “a little abused”.

How did BR know exactly what happened to JB? The knife, the strangulation, the hit on the head to days after the murder. Long before the autopsy results were in?

ST asks:
How was the investigation botched from the beginning-and why did police so carelessly allow the crime scene to be tampered with?

Why were John and Patsy Ramsey protected from early questioning and any lie-detector tests, even though their stories and behavior were erratic, suspicious and inconsistent?

Why was crucial evidence ignored, why were certain key witnesses unquestioned by detectives, and why were the Ramseys privy to sensitive information about the case and even police reports?

I ask:
What happened to the phone records of the R’s? Why did the R’s have to change their stories so many times if they were innocent?

 

[SweetDreamsAreMadeOfCheez]

I believe there are some key points that should be touched on in this case. I often look at the estate sales in my area and there more times then not: golf clubs. This may seem beside the point but hear me out. In looking at the clubs it seems to me that is exactly what JB was struck with. The size and angle fits like a piece to a puzzle. JR requested PP retrieve a bag of golf clubs from the basement. Why would a father be concerned about going golfing when his daughter had just been murdered? I for one would not be concerned about Extracurricular activities.

Also, why did DP take a standby flight on the 24th? He had plenty of time to book his flight before hand. DP is where the “fat cats” club came from. He and Nedra babysat both kids. DP built the good ship lollipop float that JB rode on. He was also in attendance for the R’s Christmas party on the 23rd which the first 911 call was placed. I predict PR was sexually abused. According to NP all children are “a little abused”.

How did BR know exactly what happened to JB? The knife, the strangulation, the hit on the head to days after the murder. Long before the autopsy results were in?

ST asks:
How was the investigation botched from the beginning-and why did police so carelessly allow the crime scene to be tampered with?

Why were John and Patsy Ramsey protected from early questioning and any lie-detector tests, even though their stories and behavior were erratic, suspicious and inconsistent?

Why was crucial evidence ignored, why were certain key witnesses unquestioned by detectives, and why were the Ramseys privy to sensitive information about the case and even police reports?

I ask:
What happened to the phone records of the R’s? Why did the R’s have to change their stories so many times if they were innocent?

Along with all your questions, I wonder how accurate the handwriting comparisons were. If JR was able to get people with more influence and money than him to sway the police handling of the case. They could sway the people doing the handwriting comparisons too. My opinion is that he did just that. For everything that was ignored to be ignored because I don't think the R's had enough of their own money for what would be needed to make all this go away.