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I don't know exactly, it just from to texts I read which seems to implie different things:
"Harry Glos, who died in 1994, had announced that one girl was molested; but Richard Wessel Sr., who as an administrative assistant to Sheriff Lohman saw the autopsy slides, told me years later there was evidence that both sisters had been. He speculated that Coroner McCarron had religious reasons for stating otherwise."
"Harry Glos, who died in 1994, had released information that one of the girls had been sexually active but later reports from those who have seen the autopsy slides say there is evidence that both of them may have been."
English is not my first language, but in French it woud mean very different things, so I was wondering what it could implie... And I can't find where exactly, but someone said there was no clear sign of sexual violence (ie they were not virgin, but maybe they were not raped before the murder).
Thanks to the efforts of the Facebook group, many people have come forward who either knew the girls or were with them the night they disappeared.
What I don't think is clear though is the fact that there were no signs of homicide on the bodies. It is entirely possible they died of exposure as the original coroner's report indicated. What is also not clear is the fact that the bodies did not reach the decomposition stage...in other words they had the appearance of someone who might have died within three days or so of being found. Looking at historic weather patterns for the time, shows that there were several days above freezing for the period they were gone, so it is very unlikely that they laid next to the road for three weeks..
There was trauma but nothing severe enough so as to cause death.
There was also a gag order that was sent to news outlets to only print the positive aspects of the case and no negatives.
The pathologists might have been pressured to cover up the sexual activity of the girls.
The Coroner claimed that the girls died the night they disappeared
but that is based on the alleged finding of banana fibers in one of the girls digestive tract. It is more likely that they were held captive until 3-4 days prior to their discovery or they were kept in a large freezer for that period as the bodies were frozen solid when they were discovered.
Also, the three day period prior to their discovery showed temps reaching into the fifties.
The bodies were moved after being placed at the German Church Rd. location. This may have been done by Investigator Harry Gloss as an accommodation to news photographers.
There are many other facts that have come to light recently but I am not at liberty to go in depth due to the fact that many of the people involved are still alive.
Gunther Toody suggested: As for the dumping ground, Willow Springs at that time was a very corrupt municipality loaded with mob activity. Consequently, I might look into the father's activities and whether he ran afoul of the mob in some way.
My observations: Joseph Grimes, Sr was a truck driver--could have had some mob involvement? Coroner McCarron owned a trucking company--was he mobbed up?
Has anyone read Raymond Johnson's Chicago History: The Stranger Side
Johnson suggests Charles Melquist killed the Grimes sisters and Bonnie Scott.
Johnson also interviewed a school friend of Barbara-- she says the three girls accepted a man's offer of a ride home from the theater and she got nervous and jumped out when the driver slowed down. The sisters remained in the car. Credible?
VikingBookLady
maybe they were kept in an industrial freezer for a while?
Do we know what size that sweater is? It looks very small to me like maybe something an 8 y/o would wear.
It's big enough for a teen or smallish woman to wear, I think.
Surely the sweater's size is recorded somewhere. I see a label inside the collar even though that wouldn't be the only way to determine its size. The Grimes Sisters clothing sizes must also be on record somewhere also, that is, if the police did a proper job.
Thanks to the efforts of the Facebook group, many people have come forward who either knew the girls or were with them the night they disappeared.
What I don't think is clear though is the fact that there were no signs of homicide on the bodies. It is entirely possible they died of exposure as the original coroner's report indicated. What is also not clear is the fact that the bodies did not reach the decomposition stage...in other words they had the appearance of someone who might have died within three days or so of being found. Looking at historic weather patterns for the time, shows that there were several days above freezing for the period they were gone, so it is very unlikely that they laid next to the road for three weeks..
There was trauma but nothing severe enough so as to cause death.
There was also a gag order that was sent to news outlets to only print the positive aspects of the case and no negatives.
The pathologists might have been pressured to cover up the sexual activity of the girls.
The Coroner claimed that the girls died the night they disappeared
but that is based on the alleged finding of banana fibers in one of the girls digestive tract. It is more likely that they were held captive until 3-4 days prior to their discovery or they were kept in a large freezer for that period as the bodies were frozen solid when they were discovered.
Also, the three day period prior to their discovery showed temps reaching into the fifties.
The bodies were moved after being placed at the German Church Rd. location. This may have been done by Investigator Harry Gloss as an accommodation to news photographers.
There are many other facts that have come to light recently but I am not at liberty to go in depth due to the fact that many of the people involved are still alive.