IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[Walker007]

You know I know it's difficult for some to ascertain how it could be possible to not have some idea of the suspects. But looking on various Facebook pages, in particular the Fox Lake PD page. They have a photo of a bank robbery suspect, his movements etc etc.. Back from Feb in which they posted on their Facebook page again in August as a reminder per further comments. This one doesn't seem as difficult to solve but remains, unsolved. With this case, we have no description. Imagine the vast difference in trying to solve a case in the instance there are offenders but not visual on them. It can happen.

https://www.facebook.com/Fox-Lake-Police-Department-446448302201436/timeline/

Anyway, thought was worth sharing considering some of the locations, and had to have some idea of the direction of travel by way of cameras. If anyone wanted to look at the maps of these locations.

**FOX LAKE PD NEEDS YOUR ASSISTANCE**
On 02/24/15 @ 13:46hrs the attached pictured suspect entered the PNC Bank, 66 E Grand Ave, Fox Lake and told the teller to put money in his bag or he will shank her. The suspect used a soft zip up lunch pail to put the money in. Suspect fled on foot across the street to the parking lot of the Dollar General. The suspect then fled through the parking lot of Lakeland Plaza to Rollins Rd, where he traveled east. The vehicle turned onto Sayton Road, the traveled south on Rt 12. The suspect vehicle then turned right and traveled west on Big Hollow Rd from the intersection of Rt 12/ Big Hollow Rd (Rt 134). Suspect was described as a male white, late 30's, 5'10", 135-140lbs, possible brown eyes, with a very thin build. Suspect at the time wore blue surgical gloves, a white painters dust mask, and a blue hooded sweatshirt. The vehicle is a red late model van, possibly a Ford or Chevy. The vehicle was observed to have a ladder rack on top and no side windows. Please contact

 

[Solitaryone]

If this was a suicide, it seems to me that Lt.CG's radio call regarding the three "suspects" actually messed up a staged homicide, imo. I think if Lt.CG hadn't made the radio call it would be a little easier for me to be open to this being homicide, though I would still have serious doubts. I just can't get past the fact that the three males have been located and cleared, and to date there has been nothing else made public as to any evidence anyone was at the scene when Lt.CG was shot. If this turns out to be suicide, I think it is ironic that the radio call will be one of the main facts that dispute the theory that this was a homicide.

 

[Cubby]

If this was a suicide, it seems to me that Lt.CG's radio call regarding the three "suspects" actually messed up a staged homicide, imo. I think if Lt.CG hadn't made the radio call it would be a little easier for me to be open to this being homicide, though I would still have serious doubts. I just can't get past the fact that the three males have been located and cleared, and to date there has been nothing else made public as to any evidence anyone was at the scene when Lt.CG was shot. If this turns out to be suicide, I think it is ironic that the radio call will be one of the main facts that dispute the theory that this was a homicide.

The only evidence they have pointing to a homicide IS the radio call. Minus the radio call, I don't see a homicide investigation at all.

 

[Solitaryone]

The only evidence they have pointing to a homicide IS the radio call. Minus the radio call, I don't see a homicide investigation at all.

I agree. Someone brought up the possibilty that there could be a Coroner's Inquest. Do you think that's the direction this case is headed?

 

[Cubby]

I agree. Someone brought up the possibilty that there could be a Coroner's Inquest. Do you think that's the direction this case is headed?

IDK. I can see this going in all kinds of directions, most which will leave some people unhappy with the outcome. They might let it sit and collect dust for decades, who knows......

 

[cady]

If this was a suicide, it seems to me that Lt.CG's radio call regarding the three "suspects" actually messed up a staged homicide, imo. I think if Lt.CG hadn't made the radio call it would be a little easier for me to be open to this being homicide, though I would still have serious doubts. I just can't get past the fact that the three males have been located and cleared, and to date there has been nothing else made public as to any evidence anyone was at the scene when Lt.CG was shot. If this turns out to be suicide, I think it is ironic that the radio call will be one of the main facts that dispute the theory that this was a homicide.

It's been said many times before, but it is sickening to me that if his description of the 3 people was part of a homicide staging, he knew perfectly well that any 3 of that murky description would be in great jeopardy when the manhunt began for cop murderers. It's a good thing that 3 matching his description were ONLY seen later on various videos. If they had been spotted in person, they may not have lived long enough to state their alibis and produce receipts to prove them.....JMO

 

[katydid23]

I still don't understand why everyone assumes that he was referring to 'those' three random people walking down the street. How do we know those were the three that he referred to, or that he ever even saw them that morning. He gave NO description whatsoever. Are those really the only people that fit that 'non-description?' Do whites and blacks not mix in Fox Lake so they were the only group walking together in town that morning?

 

[cady]

I still don't understand why everyone assumes that he was referring to 'those' three random people walking down the street. How do we know those were the three that he referred to, or that he ever even saw them that morning. He gave NO description whatsoever. Are those really the only people that fit that 'non-description?' Do whites and blacks not mix in Fox Lake so they were the only group walking together in town that morning?

I, for one, don't assume that he saw any group of 3 as described. I don't think that he did. There,to date, is no evidence of them, or anyone else, for that matter...except that after everyone started searching their surveillance videos, it turned out that there was 1 group of 3 (2 white, 1 black males) seen together. We have no idea if they happened to have EVER been near the crime scene in their travels. JMO

 

[cady]

Initially, when we were speculating about 3 being high school kids, it seemed to be a good possibility, given the place and time but I'm presuming that the HS kids have all been accounted for, by now. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I posted this awhile back.
Date of hire was April 22, 1985
http://www.state.il.us/ilrb/subsections/pdfs/arbitrationawards/fox lake & fop - s-ma-98-122.pdf

Thank you for this.
Just shows the MSM had been all over the map regarding dates and time of service.

Not that his retirement eligibility has anything to do with the death benefits but it does show he had even more time to worry and contemplate what he was going to do. I believe the Antioch job was in May as well so he was giving his career choices a think and looking to leave Fox Lake PD even if he didn't have another job lined up.

 

[vestigare]

the property is and was gated and posted "no trespassing"

Thanks. I should have been more specific. I realize the manufacturing portion of this area is gated and signed.

What I was looking for info on is the areas that are residential zoned along rollind and 12. Are those posted with no trespassing signs since Filenko did there is bow hunting there.

 

[vestigare]

I still don't understand why everyone assumes that he was referring to 'those' three random people walking down the street. How do we know those were the three that he referred to, or that he ever even saw them that morning. He gave NO description whatsoever. Are those really the only people that fit that 'non-description?' Do whites and blacks not mix in Fox Lake so they were the only group walking together in town that morning?

I don't assume he was referring to those three later identified on video. I don't believe he ever saw them at all. I believe he completely fabricated the trio.

The fact these three were identified is a coincidence that thankfully didn't result in any of their deaths.

 

[cady]

Thanks. I should have been more specific. I realize the manufacturing portion of this area is gated and signed.

What I was looking for info on is the areas that are residential zoned along rollind and 12. Are those posted with no trespassing signs since Filenko did there is bow hunting there.

I think that was a fig newton of his imagination...he did confess that he is a city boy and would not be able to identify a deer trail if he saw one. Maybe he thinks that any spot of unused land is available for hunting. JMO

 

[vestigare]

"Village officials held a staff meeting to discuss potential problems on the property, including spray-painted graffiti and kids breaking into a building, about a month before Gliniewicz's death, said village spokesman Dave Bayless."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/news/ct-fox-lake-police-shooting-one-month-met-20151001-story.html

A Cop confronting anyone trespassing at the old cement plant site is completely understandable.Besides having lived in Fox Lake in the past and the information myself and other locals have posted here about Fox Lake's current reputation as a center for Heroin dealing,it's no secret that the abandoned cement plant was a known trouble spot.

This is from a story from a Fox Lake Resident's Blog.I posted this here recently a few pages back.For those who haven't yet seen it,I encourage you to read the entire blog post.

Excerpt:
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A Cop at a crossroads in his life and career,a location where anything's possible.No matter what took place that morning,the abandoned cement plant location was the perfect stage for events to unfold mysteriously.
- night train

that is all well and good but still doesn't answer what the task force believes these three were doing that they ran and then killed a cop.

 

[vestigare]

Thanks.
This confirms he was eligible for retirement at 75 percent pay several months prior to August 31st.
Can we put one false fact to rest now?
The CrimeWatch reporter must have gotten the date wrong.

Yes. And cubby explained it was incremental besides.

It is annoying how totally off base these journalists have been throughout this entire investigation.

 

[vestigare]

The workout place nearby had cameras outside that were working.
Whoever manages or owns the place, a woman, gave a live telephone interview that aired on TV the morning of September 1st. She said she had been viewing the footage from home as the system was set up so she could do so.

It's hard to believe none of the other places had surveillance.
People break in Veterinarian's buildings to steal drugs.
Plus, there may be animals inside.

Precision Chrome has all kinds of expensive stuff but the surveillance system doesn't work?
And, what about the Heliport under the same name?
No one has addressed that point and if it was used the morning
of Sept. 1st.

I would imagine if he regularly inspected this area he was aware of the lack of cctv.

 

[cady]

Just thought of something...not that it matters, now, but If LE checked out his routes and stops, etc. that morning, by GPS, they must know exactly what time he left home, where he went, and everything else GPS could produce right up to the place and time of his death. They DID say that they have a good idea of the route that the 3 guys took, based on video accounts. I wonder if they ever concluded that there was some place where CG could have been in the same vicinity as the 3 to have seen them...or not. JMO

 

[cady]

Yes. And cubby explained it was incremental besides.

It is annoying how totally off base these journalists have been throughout this entire investigation.

Could be their "sources" too. JMO

 

[vestigare]

Just thought of something...not that it matters, now, but If LE checked out his routes and stops, etc. that morning, by GPS, they must know exactly what time he left home, where he went, and everything else GPS could produce right up to the place and time of his death. They DID say that they have a good idea of the route that the 3 guys took, based on video accounts. I wonder if they ever concluded that there was some place where CG could have been in the same vicinity as the 3 to have seen them...or not. JMO

Something tells me they probably haven't even bothered to look. I also believe the FBI were crucial in proving they were not connected so who knows how much info the task force has on these guys. I get the impression the FBI was being really careful not to hand those guys over too quickly to the task force when they suspected they could not be related to this. Otherwise the FBI would have screen capped their faces and plastered them on tv.

But it certainly would be interesting to know if he saw these guys. I sure hope for his family's sake he didn't see any real people and decide to use them.

 

[cady]

Something tells me they probably haven't even bothered to look. I also believe the FBI were crucial in proving they were not connected so who knows how much info the task force has on these guys. I get the impression the FBI was being really careful not to hand those guys over too quickly to the task force when they suspected they could not be related to this. Otherwise the FBI would have screen capped their faces and plastered them on tv.

But it certainly would be interesting to know if he saw these guys. I sure hope for his family's sake he didn't see any real people and decide to use them.

"To protect and serve" JMO