bombardier
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I want to add; some commentors on YT were saying to slow the video down so I did, and for full case transparency I want it known that when the officer started yelling and advancing w/ gun drawn, while she was crouched down, on video you can see her raising the pot and throwing it. The pot hits the side of the counter and water flows down towards the floor. The officer seems to start shooting after the pot has already been thrown but may have started while it was airborn.
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I think it may become a problem that she is not a """perfect""" victim here. She did throw something that could be a weapon, and self defense* is probably what the officer will go for in terms of the trial. BUT the officer clearly instigated the confrontation. They know she's mentally unwell, vulnerable, and paranoid, and he made the decision to scare her and draw his weapon. I wish she had not throw that pot, but I understand why, in that situation, she would have, given her current state and the fear. I 100% do not believe she would have thrown that pot if the officer had not instigated.
I am interested in how the trial will go. Have there been cases on the books before, like this, where cops instigated a negative interaction, the person acted out of fear, and then got hurt? It adds a cushioning layer between the cop and the person who was harmed, and I worry that the law can twist that.
*I think there is also a question about what level of threat needs to be present to justify deadly force. I think many of us do not believe that hot water thrown by someone very frail rises to that level. The DOJ keeps it vague in their description; it seems up to LE discretion if they feel that serious physical injury would be incurred.
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I think it may become a problem that she is not a """perfect""" victim here. She did throw something that could be a weapon, and self defense* is probably what the officer will go for in terms of the trial. BUT the officer clearly instigated the confrontation. They know she's mentally unwell, vulnerable, and paranoid, and he made the decision to scare her and draw his weapon. I wish she had not throw that pot, but I understand why, in that situation, she would have, given her current state and the fear. I 100% do not believe she would have thrown that pot if the officer had not instigated.
I am interested in how the trial will go. Have there been cases on the books before, like this, where cops instigated a negative interaction, the person acted out of fear, and then got hurt? It adds a cushioning layer between the cop and the person who was harmed, and I worry that the law can twist that.
*I think there is also a question about what level of threat needs to be present to justify deadly force. I think many of us do not believe that hot water thrown by someone very frail rises to that level. The DOJ keeps it vague in their description; it seems up to LE discretion if they feel that serious physical injury would be incurred.
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