GUILTY IL - Trenton Cornell-Duranleau, 26, stabbed to death, Chicago, 27 Jul 2017 *graphic* *Arrests*

[HastingsChi]

The shock/humiliation of being denied clearance seems to me potentially a trigger for some extreme behaviour.

Seriously?

Then why involve Warren?

The sketchy manner in which Warren pops up in Chicago (his family in the UK had reported him missing), leads one to believe that he was going to the States for a purpose that he kept secret from those closest to him but there was an opportunity for him to fulfill a deviant desire with someone he met online (Latham) who shared the same deviant desire.

The fact that they were able to go undetected for 8 days is an indication that they did not leave an electronic trail and had a lot of cash on hand to make the 2,500 mile trip undetected. Premeditation.

 

[Teche]

I wonder if the security clearance issue had to do with his social media accounts.

Wow. I wonder what the reason for the denial was.

 

[CARIIS]

Agreed.

The fact that Lathem's a specialist in pathogenic bacteria, and specifically in how the Black Death plague causes disease in human beings leads one to believe that if he simply wanted to kill someone he probably could have done so in a stealth manner and his involvement might not have been detected.

If the report of the genital mutilation is accurate, this leads me to believe that we will see an argument/defense that it was a consensual killing [extreme deviant sexual connection to death or castration could be the common link that they claim the three shared]. Does that make it less of a murder? Absolutely not. However it muddies the waters in the public arena.

Let's hope that they do not go that route and attempt to implicate the victim in his own death.

i think at this point we might be off. Do we know for a fact which one was involved with Oxford anything goes?

Starting to wonder if it was hair guy- that changes everything

A doctorite who does not get into job in Paris does not suddenly become into S and M.

Hair guy was described by his last roommate as "fiery tempered"

I am wondering if we need to switch to hair was the connnectin for the S and M proclivities ?

That fits in a way with the biggest mistake of my life maybe hair encouraged to proff to give it a try and things went awful?

 

[HastingsChi]

i think at this point we might be off. Do we know for a fact which one was involved with Oxford anything goes?

Starting to wonder if it was hair guy- that changes everything

A doctorite who does not get into job in Paris does not suddenly become into S and M.

Hair guy was described by his last roommate as "fiery tempered"

I am wondering if we need to switch to hair was the connnectin for the S and M proclivities ?

That fits in a way with the biggest mistake of my life maybe hair encouraged to proff to give it a try and things went awful?

The reason I believe that Oxford and the Professor had a connection which resulted in Oxford's visit is because they traveled over 2,000 miles together.

I totally could be completely wrong but I tend to think that there had to be strong connection between these two to have each other's back the entire journey.

Question: Might Oxford and the Professor surrendering in different jurisdictions be a tactical move to force their cases to be filed separately and tried separately?

 

[Maroon10]

i think at this point we might be off. Do we know for a fact which one was involved with Oxford anything goes?

Starting to wonder if it was hair guy- that changes everything

A doctorite who does not get into job in Paris does not suddenly become into S and M.

Hair guy was described by his last roommate as "fiery tempered"

I am wondering if we need to switch to hair was the connnectin for the S and M proclivities ?

That fits in a way with the biggest mistake of my life maybe hair encouraged to proff to give it a try and things went awful?

Victim blaming?

 

[CARIIS]

The reason I believe that Oxford and the Professor had a connection which resulted in Oxford's visit is because they traveled over 2,000 miles together.

I totally could be completely wrong but I tend to think that there had to be strong connection between these two to have each other's back the entire journey.

Question: Might Oxford and the Professor surrendering in different jurisdictions be a tactical move to force their cases to be filed separately and tried separately?

Interesting I am thinking that the driving together was forced ( had a gun or something)

I would be very inclined to follow someones directives who I saw savage someone to death

Wondering if the library stop ( prof is bright ) library stop might have been to create a cover he is still alive or to alert auth but for whatever reason (Oxford got out of car -- and was in lib wathcing?)

The biggest mistake of my life is I think very profound

are we talking about oxford coming over to murder

are we talking about proff roomate talking him to try it S and M ?

I kinda think the other S and M was the hairdresser

age wise it makes sense the younger is more Grindr than proff


He had a career, he was reasonable looking

one can certainly engage in S and M without ending up with a savage killing with some dude from across the Atlantic

might be drugs

out of control

but as time has passed less inclined to go for proff was active participant in stabbing his roommate in his apt

and the one who bought him over

Frankly the Oxford dude is homley just gross sorry I know diff strokes for diff folks but he is just gross

in pics that have surfaced he is greasy on his face that is gross

proff was obviously not psychotic

congruent with the video to family very confused educated man

someone called the desk - I think ( proff) to hope he was still alive and could be helped

Oxford dude is a clerk and bus driver flying across the ocean to have some whatever rough sex

I think hair and Oxford were doing the really dark fantasies online for whatever reason things got out of control with hair and Oxford and proff ended up with a dead roommate and a scary person in his high end apt and career

they both had friends where they both ended up maybe Oxford thought he get back to London

Proff was found by educated bright lawyer present people with the foresight to surrender

Gotta be careful here - the victim is the victim

at the same time I think proff might also end up being a victim of this tragedy

we will see

 

[CARIIS]

Victim blaming?

typing and later editing!

reread the post ! all saying is that we have assumed that proff was the one that bought him over

all i am saying is it might be hair guy that bought him over

is that victim blaming

dont think so a judgement mistake maybe ??

 

[HastingsChi]

Interesting I am thinking that the driving together was forced ( had a gun or something)

You continue to raise excellent points.

At some point over the 8 days the killer(s) had to sleep which, on the off-chance that one is a hostage, is a time to flee... But you're right with the evidence we know now your suggestion cannot be ruled out.

I would be very inclined to follow someones directives who I saw savage someone to death

Agreed.

Wondering if the library stop ( prof is bright ) library stop might have been to create a cover he is still alive or to alert auth but for whatever reason (Oxford got out of car -- and was in lib wathcing?)

The library donation becomes even more bizarre considering that Latham and Warren were found in California.
Since the library is "on the way" rather than being a diversion to throw law enforcement off their trail [For example, if they made the donation to a Michigan library that would indicate they were travelling East when in reality they were turning around and going West but trying to give the illusion that they were headed to the East Coast]

The biggest mistake of my life is I think very profound

There is also the possibility that this is spun 'The biggest mistake of my life was letting Trenton Cornell-Dureanleau move in/into my life' The context of this statement will be inter

are we talking about oxford coming over to murder

Murder -- again, think of that case in Germany with the incredibly troubling details that I linked to last week...

age wise it makes sense the younger is more Grindr than proff

This would actually be inaccurate. One will find that folks the professors age group and the victim's age group probably have similar representation on that app and similar apps. At least that's what I've noticed.

He had a career, he was reasonable looking

Which is one of the reasons that I think that this is likely a mutual deviancy between Latham and Warren that they "needed" to live out

one can certainly engage in S and M without ending up with a savage killing with some dude from across the Atlantic

Absolutely.

might be drugs

Latham has many 'looks' and the eyes in the Mohawk photo scream drugs to me but it's hard to base anything on one photo.
out of control

but as time has passed less inclined to go for proff was active participant in stabbing his roommate in his apt

Why? And, as it was a one bedroom unit it's more likely it was his boyfriend than 'roommate'

and the one who bought him over

We don't know who paid for Oxford's flight and who made the arrangements with him.

Frankly the Oxford dude is homley just gross sorry I know diff strokes for diff folks but he is just gross

He has terrible teeth and is reviving an old stereotype about British teeth... I find him repulsive as well.

in pics that have surfaced he is greasy on his face that is gross

Yes he is horrific

proff was obviously not psychotic

I think that has not been determined yet. My money is on Latham being a psycho and probably Warren too.

congruent with the video to family very confused educated man

Jeffrey Dahmer and his family were close.
John Wayne Gacy's mother lived with him at one point during the murders.
Ted Bundy's mother was his greatest defender.

 

[Maroon10]

typing and later editing!

reread the post ! all saying is that we have assumed that proff was the one that bought him over

all i am saying is it might be hair guy that bought him over

is that victim blaming

dont think so a judgement mistake maybe ??

I read it as you saying Trent (hair dresser) is fire-tempered and maybe he suggested S/M and that brought this about.

If thats not what you meant, I apologize, I understood it wrong.

 

[CARIIS]

I read it as you saying Trent (hair dresser) is fire-tempered and maybe he suggested S/M and that brought this about.

If thats not what you meant, I apologize, I understood it wrong.

It occurred to me that we are assuming that prof and Ocford were into s and m but it might have been hair

 

[Maroon10]

It occurred to me that we are assuming that prof and Ocford were into s and m but it might have been hair

But is it relevant?

 

[CARIIS]

You continue to raise excellent points.

At some point over the 8 days the killer(s) had to sleep which, on the off-chance that one is a hostage, is a time to flee... But you're right with the evidence we know now your suggestion cannot be ruled out.



Agreed.


The library donation becomes even more bizarre considering that Latham and Warren were found in California.
Since the library is "on the way" rather than being a diversion to throw law enforcement off their trail [For example, if they made the donation to a Michigan library that would indicate they were travelling East when in reality they were turning around and going West but trying to give the illusion that they were headed to the East Coast]


There is also the possibility that this is spun 'The biggest mistake of my life was letting Trenton Cornell-Dureanleau move in/into my life' The context of this statement will be inter


Murder -- again, think of that case in Germany with the incredibly troubling details that I linked to last week...


This would actually be inaccurate. One will find that folks the professors age group and the victim's age group probably have similar representation on that app and similar apps. At least that's what I've noticed.


Which is one of the reasons that I think that this is likely a mutual deviancy between Latham and Warren that they "needed" to live out


Absolutely.


Latham has many 'looks' and the eyes in the Mohawk photo scream drugs to me but it's hard to base anything on one photo.
out of control


Why? And, as it was a one bedroom unit it's more likely it was his boyfriend than 'roommate'


We don't know who paid for Oxford's flight and who made the arrangements with him.


He has terrible teeth and is reviving an old stereotype about British teeth... I find him repulsive as well.


Yes he is horrific


I think that has not been determined yet. My money is on Latham being a psycho and probably Warren too.


Jeffrey Dahmer and his family were close.
John Wayne Gacy's mother lived with him at one point during the murders.
Ted Bundy's mother was his greatest defender.

Back at ya! Your responses result in thinking from different angles which is awesome.

This is just confusing

 

[kemo]

A lot of conjecture but we haven't much in the way of information.

We know Warren left for the US without telling anyone and really worried his family but people do take little "vacations" from their lives. Not that unusual. I am interested if he made arrangements with his employer to take time off. If was just a no show at work, it would suggest he wasn't concerned with losing his job and he very likely not planning on coming back.

I have never heard of an adult male taking another hostage for over a week and traveling across the country. The captor has to sleep, they have to eat, go to the bathroom, get gas etc. One could have gotten away quick enough and run; not to mention presenting his side of the story first. Instead, he sends some kind of confession to his friends and family and sticks with the other guy until they turn themselves in together. They obviously consider themselves both culpable in whatever happened. Now that Lathem has high power representation and Warren has a public defender, that may change.

 

[CARIIS]

But is it relevant?

In terms of what happened possibly

fear
out of hand
someone forced to do something
a scenario

etc etc

yeh I think roles are going to have some relevance

 

[HastingsChi]

Back at ya! Your responses result in thinking from different angles which is awesome.

This is just confusing

Here's why I'm now certain neither Latham or Warren was holding the other hostage:

Only one of them went into the library with $1,000 cash to drop off the donation.

I think Latham went into the library because the person who accepted the donation did not mention the donor having a British accent or terrible teeth..

If you're being forced and find yourself in the library alone with $1,000 you have lots of options. If you're being held against your will and your captor leaves you in the car while he goes into the library you also have many options.

Conclusion: No one was being held against their will. They conspired to get away.

 

[CARIIS]

Here's why I'm now certain neither Latham or Warren was holding the other hostage:

Only one of them went into the library with $1,000 cash to drop off the donation.

I think Latham went into the library because the person who accepted the donation did not mention the donor having a British accent or terrible teeth..

If you're being forced and find yourself in the library alone with $1,000 you have lots of options. If you're being held against your will and your captor leaves you in the car while he goes into the library you also have many options.

Conclusion: No one was being held against their will. They conspired to get away.

I just am stuck with a respected academic planning a murder. He has a life. A career etc.

I think he was freaking out confused dazed maybe on some substance just did not know what to do.

Drugs and out of control . The mutulation of genitals is inline with Oxfords no limits.

Possibly part of the game was to stab someone but not murder them and Oxfrod went nuts.

I would like to know if hair was already in the apt before Oxford arrived , or walked in to a savage s and M ant thought his friend was being hurt and tried to help.

It almost feels as if murder was def part Oxfords plan (flying across the world would increase likelihood of getting away with it)

I agree tho some the pics of proff are pretty scary ---goot some chills on a couple of them.

We sure are not getting anything new -- I think one of the most haunting and confsuing angles of it (maybe wrong) was that both particpated in the killing

If that were never out there it would like Oxford came across the pond as they say to kill someone.

There were reports (again not sure if accurate) that hair wanted to get out of whatever the arrangement was .

It is just so hard to imagine proff wanting to kill him for that.

At the end of the day at this point I think we are stuck with drugs that laced with something , or they took too much

 

[CARIIS]

A lot of conjecture but we haven't much in the way of information.

We know Warren left for the US without telling anyone and really worried his family but people do take little "vacations" from their lives. Not that unusual. I am interested if he made arrangements with his employer to take time off. If was just a no show at work, it would suggest he wasn't concerned with losing his job and he very likely not planning on coming back.

I have never heard of an adult male taking another hostage for over a week and traveling across the country. The captor has to sleep, they have to eat, go to the bathroom, get gas etc. One could have gotten away quick enough and run; not to mention presenting his side of the story first. Instead, he sends some kind of confession to his friends and family and sticks with the other guy until they turn themselves in together. They obviously consider themselves both culpable in whatever happened. Now that Lathem has high power representation and Warren has a public defender, that may change.

Have wondered if Oxford handcuffed him inside the car or at stops

where did they stay along the way -- car only?

 

[CARIIS]

Talk click bait give me a break. -- but nunace based on what reporter observed :

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/10/jailhouse-interview-wyndham-lathem/

They did confirm I just saw this that they both particpated in the killing.

And for some reason it just hit me Oxford has propably been staying there for three days.

I don't know why that just seemed new - for some reason I thought he got off the plane went right to the apt killed and then fled.

The reporters description of him calm and relaexed -- certainly could move us into a antisocial personality or something in that arena - her description of his affect is more than interesting.

That is another thing we have not bought into our discussion is mental illiness - it seems as if the S and M angle has been someone distrating .

Stabbed 50 times- which seems to take us to very personal.

I suppose maybe hair threatened Proff that he had a recording of him engaging in peculiar sexual acts and wanted money or he would release it .

His demeanor as the reporter described is chilling

I know nothing about encryption but have wondered if the library stop was to get access to that and the donation was just a impulsive kind of thing.

The way it has been reported was it was an in and out but we really do not know.

Just passing along to make sure we have it . Call to front desk was at 830 PM on Friday. Dead 12-15 hours.

[FONT=&quot]showed Lathem and Warren leaving the building shortly after 5 a.m. — fifteen hours earlier — when they believe the crime occurred.

[/FONT]what were they doing between leaving and getting to the libary only 85 miles away??

I assume this is the exact quote from the call:
[FONT=&quot]“There may have been a crime committed in Room 1004,’’ the voice said, according to police sources quoted by the Chicago Tribune. “You need to check it out.’’

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The reports of the strange library donation and the video sent to friends show a willingness to admit that something terrible occurred.

[/FONT][FONT=PT Serif, Times, sans-serif]Maybe an accident on both participants parts?

[/FONT]Then again 50 stabs kinda wipes that out huh?

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/10/flight-in-chicago-killing-was-there-remorse/

 

[CARIIS]

almost decapitated.One theory regarding the motive for the crime is that Cornell-Duranleau wanted to break up with Lathem — which could account for why the killing was so vicious and “so personal,” the source said.

“The police have not talked to the offenders yet.”

Cornell-Duranleau’s genitals were not mutilated, that source said.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/sneed-murder-by-overkill-river-north-victim-stabbed-50-times/

just adding new facts

The surrender followed negotiations with an attorney and talks with some of Latham’s friends, who include people from Lathem’s graduate and undergraduate days among others.

Lathem was the “primary target.”

arrested on a fugitive warrant at 7 p.m. Friday, booked into jail at 11:40 p.m.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-professor-faces-hearing-in-chicago-killing/2017/08/05/2873956c-79ff-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.ffa66afa4a51

 

[HastingsChi]

The Chicago Sun-Times gossip columnist Michael Sneed, who first reported the library donation, today writes:

Sneed is told 26-year-old murder victim Trenton H. James Cornell-Duranleau — found murdered on July 27 inside a River North apartment — was stabbed nearly 50 times and almost decapitated.

“It was a gruesome murder by overkill — a murder of extreme passion which accounts for blood being found and flung everywhere,” said a source familiar with the police investigation. “The young man obviously was not just stabbed in the back.”

The victim’s body was found in the apartment of Northwestern University professor Wyndham Lathem, 42, who was arrested last week in California after a cross-country manhunt.

...

Police have described Lathem and the murder victim as dating each other. One theory regarding the motive for the crime is that Cornell-Duranleau wanted to break up with Lathem — which could account for why the killing was so vicious and “so personal,” the source said.

...

Contrary to an initial statement from another police source, Cornell-Duranleau’s genitals were not mutilated, that source said.

Full Article: http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago...overkill-river-north-victim-stabbed-50-times/