Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #11 *GUILTY*

[kittythehare]

I believe he used most of the gas driving around searching for the courage to do, and the subject of, his dirty deed.

I was actually referring to these

https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-8.pdf
and this in particular
https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-7.pdf

https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-5.pdf

Are these seriously just about the initial attack prior to bringing her back to his apartment?

(above are photographs from inside of his car, after super cleanings)
https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-5.pdf

So what was all the cleaning about if he was just carrying her to the dumpster?

This is the problem.

 

[Stratescoop]

Here is a brief article about landfill body remains search science if anyone is interested:

Landfill expert weighs in on search for Woodland Park woman Kelsey Berreth

 

[kittythehare]

I went poking around, as I do, sad, I know...
These are the text messages between Christensen and TB on the day of the murder , not 'the'murder, funny how the mind tries not to persoalise it... on the day he allegedly murdered YingYing.
There are times associated with each text but not locations.
I should add these are not for the faint-hearted
https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 51-1.pdf

 

[kittythehare]

a bit on landfill searches

Buried secrets: Bodies lost in a landfill leave unanswered questions for everyone

 

[tresir2012]

Courtney Bunting

@cbuntingWCIA3
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Beckett: “There’s a strategic position here that the defense took advantage of to make sure this information was not presented at trial.”
@WCIA3
(one of the many they were allowed to take advantage of)






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I completely agree with this. They negotiated in bad faith, I believe, to prevent the location of the remains being discussed at trial.

 

[tresir2012]

//BREAKING/// Brendt Christensen informed his attorneys that after killing Zhang, he placed her body in three separate garbage bags. He then placed those bags in the dumpster outside his apartment


Christensen then took her clothing, cell phone, and items he had used to clean his apartment and dumped those in various dumpsters around the area


The private landfill where Zhang's remains may have been taken is near Danville, Illinois. It's about half a football field in width


Statement from Zhang's family attorney: "It is evident that any attempt to recover Yingying's remains would be complicated, would require government oversight and ... would have no certainty of success."


Statement continued: "To date, no search has been undertaken. But the Zhang family understands that the authorities are still considering an attempt to locate and recover Yingying's remains."


This info was provided under immunity in November 2018, meaning it could not have been used at Christensen's trial.


Prosecutors were barred from sharing this info with anyone, including Zhang's family, until after that trial concluded.

Half a football field in width doesn't seem that large to me. How many cubic feet? Has that been stated? I think they should look for the remains.

Ok 30 feet deep × half a football field.

 

[tresir2012]

I was actually referring to these

https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-8.pdf
and this in particular
https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-7.pdf

https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-5.pdf

Are these seriously just about the initial attack prior to bringing her back to his apartment?

(above are photographs from inside of his car, after super cleanings)
https://www.ilcd.uscourts.gov/sites/ilcd/files/Govt Ex 14-5.pdf

So what was all the cleaning about if he was just carrying her to the dumpster?

This is the problem.

Unfortunately some of these files won't load for me. Maybe they are too large for my device.

 

[tresir2012]

tatement from family's lawyers:
@WCIA3








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So although Defence attorneys told Prosecuting attorneys about this in Nov 2018, how long had they actually had that info regarding what he had done with the remains?

Also, why is there no CCTV of him driving around dumping her belongings in various dumpsters around town?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Also
Why was his car cleaned so extensively and repeatedly if all he did was take the trash out?
He certainly didn't use his car for that journey or journeys.
edit, journeys to alleged dumpster, alleged journey or journeys to apartment dumpster, on the Saturday, in the heat of June 10th... to await collection following 2 days simmering in plastic...
No way is she in that landfill

His car was cleaned thoroughly because we shed DNA, and any struggle with YY in the car (and there obviously had been one) could have resulted in blood, hair, and skin cells left behind. To me, it’s obvious why he would clean it thoroughly even if he didn’t transport her remains in the car.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I’m inclined to believe she’s in the landfill because he’s too lazy to have done anything else. I’m not sure how I feel about a landfill search at this point. It seems it’s often not successful, and after two years, I doubt it would be. I’ve seen searches like this come up empty after much less time. I feel like the chances of finding her are minuscule. I know it’s what the family needs, but I’m just not sure it’s possible to find her. Actually, what the family needs is for this to have never happened and for YY to be alive and well, but that isn’t possible to give them either, no matter how much our hearts break not to be able to do so.

I don’t know how they are keeping her mother alive, how they are keeping her from not giving in to despair. I worry that after this is over and they are home, whether YY is found or not, something will happen to the mother. Sometimes I think she could literally die of a broken heart.

 

[Webthrush]

I’m inclined to believe she’s in the landfill because he’s too lazy to have done anything else. I’m not sure how I feel about a landfill search at this point. It seems it’s often not successful, and after two years, I doubt it would be. I’ve seen searches like this come up empty after much less time. I feel like the chances of finding her are minuscule. I know it’s what the family needs, but I’m just not sure it’s possible to find her. Actually, what the family needs is for this to have never happened and for YY to be alive and well, but that isn’t possible to give them either, no matter how much our hearts break not to be able to do so.

I don’t know how they are keeping her mother alive, how they are keeping her from not giving in to despair. I worry that after this is over and they are home, whether YY is found or not, something will happen to the mother. Sometimes I think she could literally die of a broken heart.

If it turns out that there will be no landfill search, I wonder if they couldn’t take the Zhang family to the Danville site before they return to China, just to spend some quiet time there — it isn’t much (and I realize there are practical/health/safety issues involved; and there’s even the possibility YY isn’t truly there), but maybe it would give them some tiny bit of solace to feel they are near her.

 

[TEB]

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this afford GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities and their members with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I expended conscientious efforts to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

 

[tresir2012]

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this respect GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I exercised my voice to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

Welcome TEB. Please consider becoming a VI and further helping wherever you can. Your contribution was very much appreciated by all of us on here.

 

[Raptors001]

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this respect GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I exercised my voice to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

You are the real TEB ? If so, I have a lot of respect for you not just the bravery, but your ethical standards. I cannot find the proper words to describe for what you have done in the positive way.
Thanks

 

[trunkizback]

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this afford GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities and their members with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I expended conscientious efforts to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

Wow. Very well said. You have the respect of many of us on here. Myself included. Your bravery was admirable. He may have actually gotten away with this if not for you. Thank you and I hope you are able to put all this behind you.

 

[AnemoneBrown]

Thank you for your post. Now that the trial is over and have information on the unfortunate location of YYZ's remains. Do you care to clarify for us how much Michelle knew about all this? You risked everything to help this family and future victims and we thank you for that. Do you think Michelle aided Christensen in the planning , execution, or concealment of this terrible crime? Thanks again for your post.

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this afford GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities and their members with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I expended conscientious efforts to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

 

[kittythehare]

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this afford GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities and their members with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I expended conscientious efforts to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

WOW TB!
This is so beautiful, you being here, a hundred thousand welcomes to you and thank you from the bottom of my heart for being the inspiration you are!
Girl, you are a shining light!
Your life will go from greatness to greatness onwards and upwards...
You will help very many people, you already have.
I never thought I'd get an opportunity to congratulate you personally, I'm really glad to have that now.
Thank you , sincerely .

 

[tmar]

I just wanted to say a few words.

Thank you to everyone who kept this thread going for over two years. They have been a long two years for many people, but I wanted to affirm that watching people come together, across national and cultural and even political and ideological boundaries has been affirming despite there being no comfort or closure for those placed at the mercy of this crime.

Sometimes there will be cases where witnesses, informants, loved ones, or even victims themselves can only watch silently as social media and news stations play a game of telephone, trying to piece together that which is known publicly as best as they can with the information provided, or lack thereof.

I do not speak for investigators, law enforcement, or members prosecution. I also do not speak for the family, who should be the human focus, not the criminal seeking attention. I speak as a woman who has learned how to find meaning in life only after seeing the anguish left in the wake of death. I will never feel ordinary again because I have learned the deep-seated strength it takes to love with grace and measured humility from Ms. Zhang’s family, and I hope to honor her memory by continuing her legacy of being someone who wants to help.

Please exercise caution when considering words that come from the man who has been convicted. Please do not give him the satisfaction of having a name at the cost of a life that was never his to take. And please continue to treat all those involved with investigations with respect. They could be watching.

The actions of one man will never reflect any communities that are scapegoated for criminal behavior. I would ask that anyone reading this afford GRSM (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority) communities and their members with respect. There is much outrage in these communities about the behavior of a criminal incorrectly claiming to be part of any such honor bound cultural community. I would ask the same respect be extended to those who cope with substance abuse and mental health issues. There are many who cope with these difficulties without committing crimes.

I did my best on the stand to not draw attention to myself, but to be a voice for what I experienced as objectively as possible. I was only there to be a face for the information I was provided by the man convicted of the crime. In the process, however, I expended conscientious efforts to not promote the scape-goat mentalities that have harmed many throughout history.

I have given all I can to this case.

All of you have my deepest gratitude for having the tenacity to keep these threads going and for the respect you have shown.

Life is too short to be ordinary. Please live YingYing Zhang’s wisdom in your own lives to honor her.

TEB

Welcome TEB.
Your first post, in this horrid case.
Your lovely words are powerful.

 

[TEB]

The ones who lost the most, YingYing Zhang, her family, and her loved ones and friends have set an example to be respected and considered. Their strength of character and composure as well as their bravery in continuing to commit to their love for a gifted young woman at all costs speaks for itself. But anyone touched by this case has experienced loss, including people who are likely to be stigmatized by the actions of an individual they may know personally. Even after the arrest of the man eventually convicted, I was publicly scrutinized online. Though I remained silent of my own volition, I was watching and taking note with the hope that one day, I could speak out to encourage people to not make assumptions about those associated with criminals. I have no case-related information to provide that is not public knowledge, but I do plead that people consider the impact their words may have on those who found themselves entangled with a criminal. I assure you, it is not something I would wish upon anyone.

I understand hunger for more information, for pieces to fit together, for things to make sense. But with hunger comes responsibility to choose actions and words that reflect something more than instinct. Our human ability to choose to act and speak in a way that is contrary to our primal instincts is part of our humanity that is too precious to lose. I hope these words do not seem harsh or judge mental.

The kind welcome and words of affirmation are greatly appreciated, more than words can adequately express. Please forgive me if there are questions I cannot answer or if I don’t post frequently. I did not post for recognition, though you have my heartfelt thanks for it should you choose to offer it. Instead, I posted to express my own gratitude and, hopefully, to make a meaningful contribution.

 

[AnemoneBrown]

Thank you for your thoughtful and kind response to my question. I fully respect and understand your choice not to divulge any more information. Thank you for being so gentle in your response. In my defense, I did not ask out of a base or vulgar need for gossip. The United States justice system cares about those who aid and abet in the commission of a crime and after the fact. It is natural for any American to want to know the full scope of involvement in a terrible crime like this.

As a matter of record during the trial it was stated as fact that Michelle was asked to call you to keep you quiet, so it is not beyond the realm of both logic and justice (not idle tittle-tattle) to inquire about how much Michelle did to aid and abet the murderer.

I thank you again for your kind and tactful reply.

The ones who lost the most, YingYing Zhang, her family, and her loved ones and friends have set an example to be respected and considered. Their strength of character and composure as well as their bravery in continuing to commit to their love for a gifted young woman at all costs speaks for itself. But anyone touched by this case has experienced loss, including people who are likely to be stigmatized by the actions of an individual they may know personally. Even after the arrest of the man eventually convicted, I was publicly scrutinized online. Though I remained silent of my own volition, I was watching and taking note with the hope that one day, I could speak out to encourage people to not make assumptions about those associated with criminals. I have no case-related information to provide that is not public knowledge, but I do plead that people consider the impact their words may have on those who found themselves entangled with a criminal. I assure you, it is not something I would wish upon anyone.

I understand hunger for more information, for pieces to fit together, for things to make sense. But with hunger comes responsibility to choose actions and words that reflect something more than instinct. Our human ability to choose to act and speak in a way that is contrary to our primal instincts is part of our humanity that is too precious to lose. I hope these words do not seem harsh or judge mental.

The kind welcome and words of affirmation are greatly appreciated, more than words can adequately express. Please forgive me if there are questions I cannot answer or if I don’t post frequently. I did not post for recognition, though you have my heartfelt thanks for it should you choose to offer it. Instead, I posted to express my own gratitude and, hopefully, to make a meaningful contribution.