Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #158

[photographer4]

I wonder what one might expect to be signs of a fight or struggle without seeing the perpetrator as well? Even if he used a knife I can’t imagine anyone compliantly allowing themselves to be stabbed to death and not fight against the attacker. The flight or fight response is an automatic psychological reaction so if flight is not possible fight is the only alternative. JMO

If they really didn’t fight - why not? We’re they drugged into compliance?

 

[Hatch]

SBBM
What I wonder is, why did no one recognize him at CVS for nearly 6 years?

If he was a backup pharmacy tech, he most likely wore a white smock like some phar techs do, changed his hair and was just go ole friendly RA! Hiding in plain sight! As stated in a presser.

 

[Hatch]

deleted due to good ole dessert Texas Internet service, it either never posts or goes crazy and multiplies.

 

[Gemmie]

If they really didn’t fight - why not? We’re they drugged into compliance?

Or had a gun pointed at them that scared them ****less. It might have been the deer in the headlights kind of thing. Just standing there unable to move.

 

[Hatch]

deleted was a triple post

 

[Boxer]

This nicely distills the case for me. The state will need to prove BG is RA and that he threatened them with a gun to get them to go down the hill.

MOO

Actually no gun is needed, just intimidating them into moving is enough.
Using a gun ups the consequences.

 

[MistyWaters]

If they really didn’t fight - why not? We’re they drugged into compliance?

Don’t know but it would seem just as unlikely that a victim would willingly allow themselves to be drugged by a perp with a gun.

 

[Hatch]

Actually no gun is needed, just intimidating them into moving is enough.
Using a gun ups the consequences.

MOO I would not walk that trail without a concealed weapon, even before the murders.

 

[MistyWaters]

Or had a gun pointed at them that scared them ****less. It might have been the deer in the headlights kind of thing. Just standing there unable to move.

If RA was alone, I’d think it’d be quite difficult to point a gun at the same time as committing murder by some other means. But without knowing the actual cause of death, we really don’t know much. Personally I prefer to avoid speculating about the cause of death because it often drifts into morbid and gruesome territory, with respect for family members who might read here. I just hope it was over with quickly.

 

[Ssschu]

Just to shake things up:

- Carhartt sold at least two million jackets per year since 1992 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carhartt);
- Men in the US bought $8bn worth of jeans in 2016 alone (Men's denim market in the United States 2021 | Statista), around 450mn pairs;
- The Sig Sauer P227 is the standard issue sidearm for all Indiana State officers - very close model to the P226 and meaning many people would have had one on them at the crime scene (Sig Sauer P227 Named Duty Weapon for Indiana State Police).

No conclusions drawn, just adding that in.

RA's defense team really appreciates the help.

 

[EOA]

I think people are misunderstanding the PCA in that RA didn't describe what he was wearing until he was interviewed again on Oct 13th, 2022: Second Paragraph on page 5 of 8 of the PCA:

He told investigators he was wearing blue jeans and a blue or black Carhart jacket with a hood. He advised he may have been wearing some type of head covering as well.

Remember it was an unusually warm day that Feb 13th. Why would he even be wearing a face or head covering? Because he was trying to conceal his identity. The same with walking with his head down as he passed the juvenile witnesses.

MOO

Sorry if replied elsewhere already - but it was not an unusually warm day on Feb 13th. It was sunny which may have made it feel warmer, and slightly above average for Delphi historically on 2/13. High temp was 43, low was 25. It was around 40 in the late afternoon - BG was dressed appropriately for the weather and a hat of some sort wouldn't have seemed out of place to anyone there.

 

[Ssschu]

DBM, double post

 

[Hatch]

If they really didn’t fight - why not? We’re they drugged into compliance?

If they had pharmaceutical drugs that showed up on the autopsy , that would have been a red flag to look for someone that worked and had access to specialty drugs. It Would have to be a fast acting drug. IMO he would not of gotten the thrill of the kill if they were drugged. Until we know the results of their toxicology reports , drugs could be a possibility at this point.

 

[EOA]

I think people are misunderstanding the PCA in that RA didn't describe what he was wearing until he was interviewed again on Oct 13th, 2022: Second Paragraph on page 5 of 8 of the PCA:

He told investigators he was wearing blue jeans and a blue or black Carhart jacket with a hood. He advised he may have been wearing some type of head covering as well.

Remember it was an unusually warm day that Feb 13th. Why would he even be wearing a face or head covering? Because he was trying to conceal his identity. The same with walking with his head down as he passed the juvenile witnesses.

MOO

Sorry if replied elsewhere already - but it was not an unusually warm day on Feb 13th. It was sunny which may have made it feel warmer, and slightly above average for Delphi historically on 2/13. High temp was 43, low was 25. It was around 40 in the late afternoon - BG was dressed appropriately for the weather and a hat of some sort wouldn't have seemed out of place to anyone there.

 

[Hatch]

Little man syndrome, bullying because he was a little man, maybe a little hen pecking throughout his years by women in his life could lead to a hatred towards most anyone listed above. Shade tree psychiatrist I am.

 

[Ssschu]

DBM, double post.

 

[Boxer]

If they really didn’t fight - why not? Were they drugged into compliance?

Scared to death.

 

[Boxer]

Sorry if replied elsewhere already - but it was not an unusually warm day on Feb 13th. It was sunny which may have made it feel warmer, and slightly above average for Delphi historically on 2/13. High temp was 43, low was 25. It was around 40 in the late afternoon - BG was dressed appropriately for the weather and a hat of some sort wouldn't have seemed out of place to anyone there.

Diagree. 40 is pretty balmy if you have been having cold weather.

 

[sunshineray]

Anyone else think KAK or someone via anthony_shots account was catfishing, communicating with LG on the day of her murder and telling another catfishing victim and LG friend they were suppose to meet up with LG that day but she never showed, LG wiping her phone, then KAK Googling how long DNA lasts etc..., keeping track of the murders while in Las Vegas, Googling that Marathon gas station right in RA's neck of the woods the day of the murders, changing the dates of FB posts so it seemed he was out of town when murders happened......all that was just coincidence? That should all go in the shredder concerning the Delphi case?

 

[NugHunter]

This may have been addressed, but when in the sequence of events did he see the three girls? When he was his way to the bridge/before he came across Libby and Abby? And did tbe mud/blood come from a fight/struggle with them in that they fought back or from staging the bodies?

From the time given by LE he was seen leaving and the 3 girls were on the way in .


It was stated in the PC he was observed to be muddy and bloody looking like he was In a fight.
Imo the reason that was how he was described this way is; who would describe a person as "someone who looked like they stabbed someone to death in a mud puddle" . He may have had a scratch or 2, bloody hands and muddy jeans / boots hence the description of muddy and bloody...

Just to shake things up:

- Carhartt sold at least two million jackets per year since 1992 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carhartt);
- Men in the US bought $8bn worth of jeans in 2016 alone (Men's denim market in the United States 2021 | Statista), around 450mn pairs;
- The Sig Sauer P227 is the standard issue sidearm for all Indiana State officers - very close model to the P226 and meaning many people would have had one on them at the crime scene (Sig Sauer P227 Named Duty Weapon for Indiana State Police).

No conclusions drawn, just adding that in.

Really no shake at all ..if anything more wasted time on defense theory's that dont match the evidence. Here is what a good lawyer would do with what you posted:

You mention Carhartt, Jeans, and Sig.

You the jury have been shown eye witness or Video or photo evidence which shows suspect who said "down the hill" wearing a carhart hoody jacket at 2:15pm. The defendent (points finger at RA) willing offered information he was on that bridge ,during that exact time ,wearing a carhartt hoody jacket..let me remind you members of the jury that this is the same jacket seized from (points at RA)defendants home 5 years later.

Jeans :Same as above just change the words "carhart hoody" to the words " blue jeans"


State Trooper Sig 227:
The crime scene was secured and only a handful of SP investigators were at the crime scene and maybe 2-3 from that agency were within the inner taped off crime scene location were the bodies and 40c bullit were found. After test results came back confirming the bullit had been cycled through (points at defendants) RAs gun and only his gun as the eject marks are similar to fingerprints and chances of matching 2 different guns would be in the billions we still went ahead and compared the marks to our own officers service weapons which did not result in match.

There are tens of thousands of these sig 26 and 27 owned by LE and private owners all over the US and the world...what are the chances we found 1 round at the scene,, that matches 100% like a fingerprint to (points at defendant) RAs weapon ..that he has stated nobody has ever had access too but him? He Also Stated he was in the immediate area of the crime scene at the time of the murders which has been confirmed by several other eye witnesses and also video.


RA like every US citizen derserves his day in court,His defense is required to do everything in thier legal capicity to get him off and if he doesnt make a plea deal after seeing all the evidence against him ..then he wll get his fair trail..the thing is.. this is 2022.. it's not easy to get away with any crime let alone murder...especially if you did it, Cameras,cell phone pings,dna,lie detectors,hair and fiber analysis,tire tracks,boot prints,socoal media etc etc will all be used against him. The days of uncheckable "maybe this happend..maybe it was this person" are a defense of the past. Either fight the science with science and let the chips fall or or plead out

Its possible when RA is confronted with the scientific evidence he will take a plea offer...IF one is offered. If not theres a small chance he still may plead guilty knowing its a slam dunk.