Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #101

[sumzero]

My point about other cases where LE had a suspect all along, i.e the Redwine case, the family murders in Ohio, is that because they did have their suspects, they were not out there showing sketches two years later, calling for more tips, asking people to consider everyone etc...this LE is behaving exactly as though they have no idea who did these murders. Jmo

I hate to keep agreeing with you. But you're right. Read the transcript of the recent PC. Most of it makes no sense, IMO, if they already have a suspect. But it makes perfect sense if they have no idea who killed the girls. That DC emphasized "we're just getting started" and "we're not going to quit" is not only a message to BG but to the families, fellow LEOs, and the GP. In other words, they've had to rethink their strategy and, yes, go back to the drawing board. But that doesn't mean they're not determined to find the killer, however long it takes.

 

[MistyWaters]

They do, but amazingly, their capability is not even close to these new private companies.

Military satellites are huge, and don’t compare in regards to coverage.

They also tend to be oriented to capture major world trouble spots.

International Space Station
Spot The Station will give you a list of upcoming space station sighting opportunities for your location.
“Several times a week, Mission Control at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, TX, determines sighting opportunities for over 6,700 locations worldwide.”

 

[MistyWaters]

A very informative article -

Subscribe to read | Financial Times
Eyes in the sky: a revolution in satellite technology
“We are now monitoring the whole Earth on a daily basis. Satellites have enough resolution to observe every big tree in the world every day...”

 

[drama_farmer]

I have carried a gun for years and am very knowledgeable about them. I cannot see a gun under his jacket. At one point early on, I thought I did. But the trigger and what would be the handle looks all wrong. My LE people do not see it either. They say it looks too big and could possibly be multiple items. Maybe in a bag. Binoculars? I think his gun was on or inside his waist area. Again, these are only opinions.

My brain also turned those bunch of pixels into binoculars. I used to do quite a bit of "birding" and used several pairs of binoculars, depending on the situation. I guess it makes sense that my life experience helps to shape the way my brain processes unknown items in low res images. MOO

 

[margarita25]

I’m looking at a military holster which is different and might make sense about the angle...anyway I turned my phone upside down and was looking at BG upside down and realized I’d never done this before and that seems somewhat surprising at the moment.

 

[tresir2012]

I believe the exact quote from Carter during the presser was:
“But might appear younger than his (its ?) true age.”

Maybe I’m the only one, but after reading that several times, I thought to myself where do we hear this phrase so often (someone “appearing” younger than their true age?)

Online predators often portray themselves as younger than their “true age.”

I know. I know. Allegedly, LE and the family has made statements that an online predator targeting Libby and Abby has been ruled out.

But I still do wonder about Carter’s
“But might appear younger than his true age” comment. If they don’t know who BG is, then what would indicate that he appears younger than his true age? It’s a puzzle to me. But I’m probably reading into it, simply because I am lacking information that LE hopefully has. MOO

Edited to make myself sound less crazy than I appear.

"might appear younger than his true age"

Hmmm. Now I read that for the nth time it appears to me that you're right and they would have to know that "true age" to actually make that comment true, wouldn't they? They must indeed therefore know the suspect or at least know several "cousins" from a gene pool of suspects from the DNA IMO.

 

[margarita25]

<modsnip - removed a quote that has been deleted>

I used to go hiking up in the mountain trails until I saw a bush rustle and peered in and saw a man. This is not uncommon, homeless, etc.

The idea of BG being homeless has come up here and I used to consider this as a possibility until I’ve been spending a lot of time with the homeless recently and decided that BG looks too clean imo.

As far as working at the plant, he also does not appear to have animal blood on his jacket/pants that (I) we can see, so imo if he works at the plant it’s not in the slaughter capacity, or if he does his clothes have been changed, he wasn’t working that day, or it’s covered up by the jacket.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

Good Morning America is airing a segment with Alex Perez of ABC News interviewing Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter about this case on Wednesday (tomorrow) morning.

 

[Cutiekitty]

If I remember right, I’m pretty sure LE has said, and on some talk show, the families have said that the social media angle was thoroughly looked into and nothing was found. I imagine that included looking at the activity on the different accounts and also talking with the girls’ friends about what they saw or received.
That being said, LE didn’t tell us about the car at the old CPS building, so, who knows.

I read that somewhere too. SC makes it it tough for LE to look into just by the way it functions. Maybe SC retains all user content for at least a couple of days. That would be an insane amount of info between pics, video and messages. SM makes the world a lot smaller and a little bit scarier IMO.

 

[pepper 34]

BG's left hand seems to me like it's lower and held behind him slightly. I also think it looks like he has a knife sheath attached to his belt or pants in that area? Anyone else seeing this?

I can't see anything with him doing that little jig there... all he needs is a wee bit of the music.

But, seriously, I have wondered for a long time what he's doing with that right hand. He is not just a guy with both hands in his pockets... he's doing or hiding something with the right hand, imo. I don't see a knife sheath but wouldn't doubt you if you can see one. There is something that reflects over in the area you describe. I just can't make it out.

 

[Boxer]

Quite possible. And of course it would depend on the firearm's size, its caliber, its safety features, and the comfort level of the suspect with that handgun. Heck, it could have even been an airsoft. If he repositioned it from a bag into his pocket he would have to maintain positive control of it somehow so his hand would have been firmly on that grip, finger away from the trigger to avoid a ND.

This also goes back to our discussion about him planning this (at least in his brain) before the murders. If a handgun was the suspect's control device I want to think he would have gone for a compact model (such as the Shield or even a 25 that fits comfortably in a backpocket) over, say, a Desert Eagle. I would also want to think that the position of a handgun in his pocket would be in the most opportune position (hand on grip, barrel slightly down) to avoid fumbling around trying to take it out when he was making his move. That would make it harder to print through a jacket though.

Many angles here for sure so this is all food for thought and MOO. I do agree that a weapon (handgun or blade) was used as a control device (but not necessarily as the murder weapon).

MOO he had two handguns. Maybe he was going to set out with one, then thought he better bring another. Don't have a opinion on whether premeditated. Seems opportunistic to me.

 

[TL4S]

"might appear younger than his true age"

Hmmm. Now I read that for the nth time it appears to me that you're right and they would have to know that "true age" to actually make that comment true, wouldn't they? They must indeed therefore know the suspect or at least know several "cousins" from a gene pool of suspects from the DNA IMO.

I wondered about that statement, too. Maybe the witness said they thought he was older than he looked or something?

 

[FinePrint]

Dbm

 

[raja]

I still go back to the PC when they said the first sketch was secondary. That sure doesn’t sound like dismissed to me. I know they came back and said to focus on the new sketch, YBG, but I think the old sketch still may have something to do with what happened. To match the new parameter of age it would seem that OBG may be the one that could look younger. It’s also confusing.

 

[margarita25]

We were talking about little Gabbi Doolan earlier who was raped and murdered and left in the creek in less than just 18 minutes. I’m looking back at an article and seeing how the perp was married and had 5 kids. His wife had been ill and he had been caring for her. I remember it being mentioned here many times that perhaps BG cares for someone (elderly?) in his family. I wonder if BG has kids of his own.

There was also allegedly blood on his pants from the sexual assault. So even if BFT or strangulation was the COD there still might possibly be blood if a sexual crime existed.

So his clothing after the crime is still a big question as it would maybe have blood on it or water/mud from the creek etc.

So did he wear these clothes out during his exit from the crime scene or did he change or strip a layer....did he have a bag, etc.

So many questions.

 

[raja]

Regarding the construction at the Packers plant could BG have some type of mask that they use in construction around his neck? Yes folks I am back at a respirator of some kind.

 

[FinePrint]

I can’t see the gun a lot are speaking of, however I do believe he had a gun and used it to control the situation.

Would not have had to been a huge Dirty Harry style gun. There are ample small carry guns available like a Smith bodyguard, fits right in front jeans pocket and hardly noticeable, if noticeable at all.

 

[TL4S]

Surely this has been mentioned over a thousand times, but if BG is indeed only 18 now, he would have been 16 at the time of the crimes. I don't think he's that young, but if so, he'd have had the day off of school, too. MOO

Edit: I've been made aware that the age range was changed to 20s to 30s. Ignore this post.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

On google earth, the old cps building is still there 07/2018. So if it got burned down before being bulldozed, it happened after that. What's the earliest date that we know it's gone?

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I think we should go with the ISP written clarification which was released after the 22nd April PC, where they listed the age range as 20s to late 30s.