Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[Deleted member 102539]

I remarked here earlier today about those shoes lol. They do appear small and brownish, which would indicate his feet are small.

My "small" is meant in width, not in length (but maybe in length also, Idk). In any case, the shoes were dark with special white or bright striping up front. IMO
Within this life of ours we won't find the model anymore, I think. Who says, that it would matter ...

 

[rainwaterstill]

That scenario fits in somewhat to how I feel how BG fits into the murders of Abby and Libby. I believe he's been to the MHB, possibly several or many times, before. How would he know the private properties along the north side of Deer Creek, and the trails on them? The timing, variables in his favor, etc., conspired to allow him a short period of time of freedom to carry out his deeds. To me, that indicates planning, although he may not fit the profile of an "organized killer", per se.

I've driven the roads right around there, there are no signs for the bridge. Someone who has been there, before, would know where it is located, how to get to it, where the trailhead(s) are located, where to park, etc. Like the killer you described, BG just knows that general area near the bridge. How, we don't know.

One thing that's bothered me since the beginning, and more so now that LE thinks it's a young killer, is did he have the day off from work? Was he on the road for work and carried out the killings? On the way home from work? Is he a shift worker? Lots of questions on my end re: how he carried this out on a Monday afternoon most working-age people would have been working.

I've read up a lot on the Artemio Sanchez/Bike Path Rapist case in Buffalo. He struck in the latter morning hours in all of his crimes or most of them, IIRC. He worked a third shift gig at a factory in Buffalo for many years, so he had a regular job, at the same place, his entire or almost entire work career. Some of the crimes happened barely out-of-view of the factory where he worked.

Interesting you brought up the crimes in Mass., MassGuy, it jogged my memory about other cases where perps had certain work schedules which enabled them to stalk and prowl for victims.

-FD

I bolded your sentence above in order to reply. There are several casinos in the South Bend/Mishawaka area . At least one of those casinos is open 24/7. It would be a short drive from the South Bend or Mishawaka area to Delphi-2-3 hours.

 

[Evinrude]

I can't see an ax at all, but I do know men (like my husband) who sometimes carry hatchets with them. But small ones, like 10 inches. Something like that I could concede to. It's lightweight but functional and you can hook it onto your belt. The ax, though, I just can't see. They're big and heavy and when you're going hunting for people it seems to me that you'd want to be as agile as possible.

Scythe

 

[MDATCA]

I can't see an ax at all, but I do know men (like my husband) who sometimes carry hatchets with them. But small ones, like 10 inches. Something like that I could concede to. It's lightweight but functional and you can hook it onto your belt. The ax, though, I just can't see. They're big and heavy and when you're going hunting for people it seems to me that you'd want to be as agile as possible.

I am not all that familiar with the names of the different headed blades tools but my husband said the big thing in the garage is an axe. The little one is a hatchet or he said i guess you could call it a hand axe. But what you are saying is what I think it could be.

 

[tresir2012]

It would make some sense if it was a hatchet because one of LE's ex POI's wielded a hatchet. Maybe that is what peaked their interest and was one of the similarities that interested them. MOO.

 

[mtnlites]

I am not all that familiar with the names of the different headed blades tools but my husband said the big thing in the garage is an axe. The little one is a hatchet or he said i guess you could call it a hand axe. But what you are saying is what I think it could be.

Yeah, it's the ax that I can't see. I know that BG is taller than me, but our axes come up to above my waist. You can't hang an ax from your tool belt or pocket. Good ones can weigh 10 pounds or more. It would be really awkward to walk across that bride with an ax, and also unnecessary. There are other, smaller, tools that would make more sense-like the hatchet. I almost always take my hatchet when I go hiking.

My husband designs and makes hatchets and knives as a hobby and he sells them at gun shows. At first it was just the handles until he was able to put a forge in on our property. I've learned a lot about many types of tools since then. In the past, I just called things what they look like-like, to me, leveler was "the stick with a bubble in it."

 

[mtnlites]

I am not all that familiar with the names of the different headed blades tools but my husband said the big thing in the garage is an axe. The little one is a hatchet or he said i guess you could call it a hand axe. But what you are saying is what I think it could be.

So this is my ax. It weighs about 12 pounds:


And then this is one of my older hatchets. I take this when I go camping because I'd be okay if I lost it. It's been re-sharpened so many times that the blade is about half an inch shorter than it used to be. This is something that could be attached to a belt:

 

[tresir2012]

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Images of axe handles.

I think he has a knob handled axe hanging down inside his jean's and that is why his walk is strange. I am 5'9" and I measured from my jean's waist down to just above my knee and it was 13" - so a possible 13" knob handled axe/hatchet could be it IMO.

 

[Brubon]

What if young BG is wealthy and has no reason to work?
What if the oversized blue jeans are bunching up as he walks because he has a "man dressed in all black" hidden underneath.
What if Libby photographed him because he was wearing a "creepy" mask?
Let today be the day all of the "what ifs" are going to begin to be clarified by LE arresting young BG.
Rest in peace Abby and Libby.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What if young BG is wealthy and has no reason to work?
What if the oversized blue jeans are bunching up as he walks because he has a "man dressed in all black" hidden underneath.
What if Libby photographed him because he was wearing a "creepy" mask?
Let today be the day all of the "what ifs" are going to begin to be clarified by LE arresting young BG.
Rest in peace Abby and Libby.

 

[ab01]

Yeah, it's the ax that I can't see. I know that BG is taller than me, but our axes come up to above my waist. You can't hang an ax from your tool belt or pocket. Good ones can weigh 10 pounds or more. It would be really awkward to walk across that bride with an ax, and also unnecessary. There are other, smaller, tools that would make more sense-like the hatchet. I almost always take my hatchet when I go hiking.

My husband designs and makes hatchets and knives as a hobby and he sells them at gun shows. At first it was just the handles until he was able to put a forge in on our property. I've learned a lot about many types of tools since then. In the past, I just called things what they look like-like, to me, leveler was "the stick with a bubble in it."

Yah honestly I don’t think he has anything that’s tucked down the leg of his pants.

Distortion couple with the fact that BG is walking on an old rotted and in between missing railroad ties, is likely what’s being seen in the video

Also I’m not sure a positive Id of any object can be accertained for certain just because of the shear pixilation in the quality of the original images/video.

One thing I’m certain of, nobody is walking around with a full size 12lb axe hanging down their pant leg

 

[MDATCA]

So this is my ax. It weighs about 12 pounds:
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And then this is one of my older hatchets. I take this when I go camping because I'd be okay if I lost it. It's been re-sharpened so many times that the blade is about half an inch shorter than it used to be. This is something that could be attached to a belt:

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The axe my husband has is bigger than that it is 34 inches long and weighs 25 lbs. He said it is more for splitting wood. So I asked him why he has the wood splitter thing with levers and he said that it depends on the wood and width of the piece.

Men and their toys but he says the same thing about me needing a zillion crochet hooks. LOL

 

[ab01]

The axe my husband has is bigger than that it is 34 inches long and weighs 25 lbs. He said it is more for splitting wood. So I asked him why he has the wood splitter thing with levers and he said that it depends on the wood and width of the piece.

Men and their toys but he says the same thing about me needing a zillion crochet hooks. LOL

Yep he’s probably referring to a Maul/ splitting axe

Jmo

 

[Stephenie]

I took a second look at the shoes also. They looked like they could be brown to me. From what it looks like, not the kind of shoes I would wear if I planned on trekking through water and mud.
Also i think this guy had to be quite filthy on his way back. Mud, water, leaves, maybe blood. At the very least his pants must have been soaked from the creek. He would have tracked mud into his vehicle. That would be noticed hopefully.

 

[cryssyx3]

so, someone earlier in the thread posted a snippet of an article with this quote from Ives: “When you ask me, ‘Is it possible some police officer has talked to him?’ I think it’s extremely likely that’s happened....”

was the questioning via phone or face to face? couldn't they match him up to the sketch? or if they have his name, match him up with DMV records?

Doug Carter also said something to the effect of "you told us what we wanted to hear" now some speculated it was about the witness, but if it is BG I'm sure they can check back and think "xyz's statement seems kinda fishy now."


to the public at least, they seem to have so much, yet so little.

 

[Razz]

My take on BG's outfit from early on is he looks like he could have walked out of central casting for a Rural King commercial, it's a chain here in the Midwest. The guy looks "plain" to me, and my take is he intended that. May have stolen the outfit, grabbed it at a work site, inherited it from a deceased family member, bought it at a Goodwill, etc.

I believe that not only is there a lot going on underneath that jacket shell which is way oversized for him, probably by two sizes too large, but something is up with whatever is going on under the jeans. You can tell the jacket shell is huge for him, the sleeves are way too long and bunch up. What I think is under the jeans could be part of a wet suit or something as simple as thermal bottoms, which would help in the waters of Deer Creek.

My take regarding his appearance after the murders is he changed clothes, possibly had a bag or backpack for his wet clothes and kill kit.

Early on, some image experts cleaned up the still images released, and BG looked a lot slimmer without the "haze" around him, caused by the lack of focus, pixelization, etc. I think the guy is fairly slim to somewhat stocky and is in good shape. The outfit is a disguise.

-FD

I've often wondered if he possibly "hid" the clothes he'd been wearing over another set of clothes and they're somewhere in the forest around the bridge. Probably off the trail he escaped from. He may have tried to go back another day to retrieve them.
Does anyone know if they scoured the area for discarded clothes?

 

[Tiger Stripes]

One thing that's bothered me since the beginning, and more so now that LE thinks it's a young killer, is did he have the day off from work? Was he on the road for work and carried out the killings? On the way home from work? Is he a shift worker? Lots of questions on my end re: how he carried this out on a Monday afternoon most working-age people would have been working.

I've read up a lot on the Artemio Sanchez/Bike Path Rapist case in Buffalo. He struck in the latter morning hours in all of his crimes or most of them, IIRC. He worked a third shift gig at a factory in Buffalo for many years, so he had a regular job, at the same place, his entire or almost entire work career. Some of the crimes happened barely out-of-view of the factory where he worked.

Interesting you brought up the crimes in Mass., MassGuy, it jogged my memory about other cases where perps had certain work schedules which enabled them to stalk and prowl for victims.

-FD

Am thinking still that he works in a "people-type" job (now really disgusting to think about, right?) -- say, somewhere where he can pretty much set his own hours: sales, insurance, independent marketing, clergy, etc. (and am not casting aspersions on anyone who does work in such industries/workplaces). Workers employed in such settings must be available when "people" are available, so often work late afternoons, some evenings, and even weekends. Thus, having the freedom to take an early afternoon break, or an extended lunch, is nothing unusual for them. Except, of course, when two people are discovered murdered after an early-afternoon hike on a weekday. No doubt LE in Delphi and surrounds early on isolated every individual who did such work...

 

[TL4S]

I took a second look at the shoes also. They looked like they could be brown to me. From what it looks like, not the kind of shoes I would wear if I planned on trekking through water and mud.
Also i think this guy had to be quite filthy on his way back. Mud, water, leaves, maybe blood. At the very least his pants must have been soaked from the creek. He would have tracked mud into his vehicle. That would be noticed hopefully.

I suppose it's also possible he was on a 4-wheeler or other recreational vehicle he could have driven through the fields and parked anywhere. And they are not at all unusual to see.

 

[Charlot123]

Am thinking still that he works in a "people-type" job (now really disgusting to think about, right?) -- say, somewhere where he can pretty much set his own hours: sales, insurance, independent marketing, clergy, etc. (and am not casting aspersions on anyone who does work in such industries/workplaces). Workers employed in such settings must be available when "people" are available, so often work late afternoons, some evenings, and even weekends. Thus, having the freedom to take an early afternoon break, or an extended lunch, is nothing unusual for them. Except, of course, when two people are discovered murdered after an early-afternoon hike on a weekday. No doubt LE in Delphi and surrounds early on isolated every individual who did such work...

It is a very inconspicuous job, a clerk or an accountant, and he does it well. He probably aspired to work with kids, in something like teaching or clergy, but something did not work out. He is alone or has a disinterested partner. He does show up to work but if he is late, not a big deal.

 

[Charlot123]

I bolded your sentence above in order to reply. There are several casinos in the South Bend/Mishawaka area . At least one of those casinos is open 24/7. It would be a short drive from the South Bend or Mishawaka area to Delphi-2-3 hours.

He potentially could work in a casino. Not only because of the shift, but because people in casinos don’t pay much attention to workers around them, they are so glued to their slot machines. I don’t gamble - I observed what was going on on the floor, gamblers are so focused on the game, anyone could fly under any radars there. They may pay some attention to the croupiers or people greeting them or giving them out money, but not people on the floor when they are playing.

And casino life is pretty isolating, I think.

(Or a person who lost a lot could be so angry, he’d take it on two innocent people. Not very typical, but happens). MOO