Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[MizStery]

so, someone earlier in the thread posted a snippet of an article with this quote from Ives: “When you ask me, ‘Is it possible some police officer has talked to him?’ I think it’s extremely likely that’s happened....”

Things that make me go uhum or umm or
AY ! ...ay.! ..ay ! ay! ay!

LE has been saying the same thing for quite some time. It's "possible" or "likely" that they've interviewed BG or someone close to him

Or ‘sum zero’ you could take the tract that Ives was actually implicating someone from LE. I am not necessarily thinking of this person as BG but more along the lines of obstructing/undermining the investigation.

This train of thought has been brought up many times but reading that quote in cryssyx3 post really drove it home for me.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Am thinking still that he works in a "people-type" job (now really disgusting to think about, right?) -- say, somewhere where he can pretty much set his own hours: sales, insurance, independent marketing, clergy, etc. (and am not casting aspersions on anyone who does work in such industries/workplaces). Workers employed in such settings must be available when "people" are available, so often work late afternoons, some evenings, and even weekends. Thus, having the freedom to take an early afternoon break, or an extended lunch, is nothing unusual for them. Except, of course, when two people are discovered murdered after an early-afternoon hike on a weekday. No doubt LE in Delphi and surrounds early on isolated every individual who did such work...

Here is the question. What if the person resembling YBG has the alibi, a real alibi, but can’t use it because it will disclose something else about him, and his alibi, too? May even shut down his current path. So he prefers to walk under the cloud of suspicion, rather than open up, be done with it, and change his life for the better?

 

[pepper 34]

I'm sure this has been answered a million times but, does anyone hunt within the immediate vicinity of Monon? Was daydreaming the other day about a scenario in which BG was hunting with a partner (who had no idea about the crime/wasn't involved at all) who gave him an alibi, and the LE's appeal was targeted towards their conscience. Which I'm sure is completely unlikely - but BG was certainly dressed the part! And I wonder is there anything hunting related in 'The Shack'?

There are signs posted which read, "No Hunting." This was a day off from school, so it seems more people than usual showed up to enjoy their time in the park. I think it's very doubtful that any of the kids or adults there that day would have tolerated a couple of guys coming into the park with shotguns or cross bows or any other kind of hunting weapon. Why "pretend to hunt" (while actually planning to kill someone) in a no-hunting area with school children around; thus drawing the attention of people there? Isn't the object to not draw attention to oneself when planning to murder? Jmo.

 

[sumzero]

Things that make me go uhum or umm...

MOO

LE has been saying the same thing for quite some time. It's "possible" or "likely" that they've interviewed BG or someone close to him, since they've interviewed over 1000 people. Then again, it's also possible that they have not. No one knows.

 

[Charlot123]

It would make some sense if it was a hatchet because one of LE's ex POI's wielded a hatchet. Maybe that is what peaked their interest and was one of the similarities that interested them. MOO.

Maybe some kitchen utensil?

 

[Charlot123]

Can we discuss the gun in R pocket or an inner one and the question of handedness? I hope LE has a better video and can answer it.

 

[susiQ]

Well I give you credit because I wouldn't be on that bridge at all.

I'll let you in on a secret Not sure I could even do it on my hands and knees

 

[pepper 34]

I was thinking about this case over the holiday weekend like many of you I'm sure.

I posted a article a while back (its there somewhere) about a witness who claims to have seen BG that day on the trail. She said he was wearing a scarf.

I know many have seen different things, respirators and so on but I'm looking at the BG video and I believe he may be wearing a scarf.

Anyone else see this. And if this is true than that witness may be the one who also initially provided the details for the YBG sketch.

Just MO of course.

I wonder if the scarf was hiding a tattoo. Of course, it could be used as a weapon. Maybe BG was chilly that day... but I doubt it. I've known very few men who wear scarves unless during a blizzard when shoveling snow. Jmo.

 

[susiQ]

I am working with a regular phone here....this is as good as it gets! Lol
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I still see the objects with different screen caps.

I.CAN'T.UNSEE.THEM! lol

But...in the interest of NOT making you all mad at me for beating a dead horse...I will let it go.

Thanks for obliging me @bradfordslueth! I know, once you see something it's hard to "unsee" it. I'm pressed for time at the moment, but I have every intention of completing my little experiment sometime today. In fact, I'm going to look for that crowbar right now. Stay tuned!

 

[mtnlites]

I wonder if the scarf was hiding a tattoo. Of course, it could be used as a weapon. Maybe BG was chilly that day... but I doubt it. I've known very few men who wear scarves unless during a blizzard when shoveling snow. Jmo.

Agree. I can buy the jacket, hat, and even multiple layers if it's chilly. The scarf, though, I have a harder time with. I can get my men to wear gloves, coats, and hats but they rarely don scarves unless they're out there shoveling snow.

 

[BigTexas]

Thanks for obliging me @bradfordslueth! I know, once you see something it's hard to "unsee" it. I'm pressed for time at the moment, but I have every intention of completing my little experiment sometime today. In fact, I'm going to look for that crowbar right now. Stay tuned!

Hurry up and get that thing in there. You've got us all on pins and needles.

 

[ab01]

Thanks for obliging me @bradfordslueth! I know, once you see something it's hard to "unsee" it. I'm pressed for time at the moment, but I have every intention of completing my little experiment sometime today. In fact, I'm going to look for that crowbar right now. Stay tuned!

If you have time, see if you can come up with a baby goat.....thx in advance

 

[Rosegold68]

threads move way too fast for me!!

few ponderings.....he crossed the creeks was the guys seen by witnesses wet? theres small timeframes here so i doubt clothing changes were involved

any suicides/deaths since the murders and have they been checked for resemblances to photos of suspect....i guess they have been or i'd hope so (i have very little confidence in the LE in this case i'm afraid)

how were they both restrained and silenced so quickly on what transpires to be quite busy route? he's done this before i feel

general 'feel' of this case for me is it was opportunist but with experience. I also feel only one girl was target, the other was inconvenience to him...and i believe him to be youngish. i also get the feeling he was familiar with one or both of them, and he was used to addressing people and not a loner or socially inept ...all jmo

 

[Blueberry2720]

Things that make me go uhum or umm or
AY ! ...ay.! ..ay ! ay! ay!


Or ‘sum zero’ you could take the tract that Ives was actually implicating someone from LE. I am not necessarily thinking of this person as BG but more along the lines of obstructing/undermining the investigation.

This train of thought has been brought up many times but reading that quote in cryssyx3 post really drove it home for me.

MOO

I would bet LE has spoken to BG at least once, be it early on in the investigation, or recently. I truly do not think an officer is involved in any type of diversion or cover-up activity though. Delphi's police force is quite small, and they just uncovered one embarrassing scandal with one of their officers and let him go last Fall IIRC. I doubt out of their small force that there is another corrupt officer . . . but who knows? I also doubt a call center tip taker could be covering b/c that was all moved to the FBI in DC early on.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Things that make me go uhum or umm or
AY ! ...ay.! ..ay ! ay! ay!


Or ‘sum zero’ you can take the tract that Ives was alluding to the possibility of someone from LE being implicated.

This train of thought has been brought up many times but reading that quote in cryssyx3 post really drove it home for me.

MOO

Maybe an Ex-LE talked to one of his "colleagues", who is a Non-Ex, in a friendly and "conspiratorial" (not recognizable to the officer) way on behalf of a man, please not to involve the poor innocent guy in a "circus" like that, because of reputation.
The poor innocent man (with the looks of NBG) had to have been around the area and around that specific time of course, maybe got interviewed briefly with a lot of respect. Otherwise he wouldn't have needed an advocate, if he hadn't been there. MOO

 

[Rosegold68]

Its very likely he was a worker who is on the peripheral, maybe no longer in the area. who knows

is there any information over who found the girls ?

 

[mtnlites]

I would bet LE has spoken to BG at least once, be it early on in the investigation, or recently. I truly do not think an officer is involved in any type of diversion or cover-up activity though. Delphi's police force is quite small, and they just uncovered one embarrassing scandal with one of their officers and let him go last Fall IIRC. I doubt out of their small force that there is another corrupt officer . . . but who knows? I also doubt a call center tip taker could be covering b/c that was all moved to the FBI in DC early on.

And it's not just local LE handling this case. You also have the FBI and ISP. If there was any suspicion that someone on the front line had done something to sabotage this case then I'm confident there would've been an internal investigation by now. They are privy to more information than us.

 

[MizStery]

truly do not think an officer is involved in any type of diversion or cover-up activity though.

been around the area and around that specific time of course, maybe got interviewed briefly with a lot of respect. Otherwise he wouldn't have needed an advocate, if he hadn't been there

I agree with both your posts which is why I am torn on this theory.

But the holy grail to all investigators is when talking to the press to stick to vetted talking points and stay on message/topic.

Ives really does not parse his words. I would venture an educated guess Ives is sticking to a scripted message meant for someone in LE.

Something is definitely off the rails in this 2 year plus tragic investigation.
MOO

I'm confident there would've been an internal investigation by now. They are privy to more information than us.

I agree with your post too. Oh dear augh! As Snoopy and Charlie Brown always exclaim!
MOO

 

[mtnlites]

Its very likely he was a worker who is on the peripheral, maybe no longer in the area. who knows

is there any information over who found the girls ?

Nothing that we can discuss since it's not been referenced in MSM in anything but a general way.

 

[IceyIllusion]

Agree. I can buy the jacket, hat, and even multiple layers if it's chilly. The scarf, though, I have a harder time with. I can get my men to wear gloves, coats, and hats but they rarely don scarves unless they're out there shoveling snow.

If he was trying to hide something around his torso then the scarf would be a great option. Plus, it could also be used as a restraint or weapon. I wear scarves quite a bit when the weather is colder outside, even wear them around the office sometimes. It is amazing how much they keep you warm and toasty (I am always cold).