Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #108

[on the case]

This is the WLF1 TV video that has the description of the clothes for both girls and mentions Libby wearing black Nikes. The searchers talking from 1.45 on included the guy who says vic/girls and describes looking in ravines, ditches, trash cans and something else that I cannot distinguish. This also has MP talking about the pinging phone.

I'm glad you were able to find it.

 

[mtnlites]

to me the sketch looks like a big old healthy farm boy. that's how it strikes me, like I can almost see him.

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To me as well. He would fit in on any of the farms around here, including my own. He also looks like most of the rural Delphi area men I know. I think that's one of the main problems-his features are so nondescript that he's become a chameleon who could fit into just about any scenario. Some people look at him and see college boy, others look and see farmer, others look and see factory worker-and he could be any one of those.

 

[mtnlites]

I don’t know about the disguise angle... it’s possible.

Not sure I have a firm handle on the older looking version of BG, but do feel it’s a compilation of eye witness(es) and the video itself. The first sketch *kind of* did look like the image on the vid. Instead of a disguise, like a face mask, maybe he was just covering up parts of his body and head. That makes some sense. IMO.

The second one looks so different, and when it was prensented at the April press conference, it was so odd. Like now we reveal this, the true killer.

I simply don’t understand at all why the new (new to us- the second sketch, but released two years later, so maybe really the first?) became officially BG. Hopefully, it won’t be long ‘til we know.

ETA: clarification on the new, younger sketch

What's weird to me is that IMO neither one of the sketches look like each other yet they both look like the man in the video clip/image still. I think that's because despite the details that people claim to be able to see on BG's face the video still, the fact is that it's so pixelated and difficult to make out that it somehow morphs into whatever image is held up against it.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yeah, I kind of feel like if the word, "guys," itself was important, LE would have released it at the same time ans the original "down the hill." I think maybe they just wanted to release a little more (especially because the public seemed to demand it), but without it being something to jeopardize the case.

The man, LE now (only since 2019) is searching for, looks like the pic of NBG and is using the word "guys" more often than the average citizen, because he has a reason to do so (much contact with people of different gender and age). So I would think. Therefore they made the first pic they had of BG public: THIS face finally is the right one. And therefore they made another word from the audio public: THIS word is significant (besides we hear him pronounce the word with his special voice) and LE know with certainty since 2019. LE can't offer more to us, otherwise they would have by simply told us the name of the person. All IMO and MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Just for the purposes of pure speculation and maybe even wishful thinking:

What do you think the chances are that the true murderer is in the top 5 list of suspects the police already have?

The list LE/FBI had from the beginning or the list LE/FBI have since 2019? What do you mean? If you mean their current list, then I think: yes, the true murderer is on their top 5 list of suspects the first one. I hope so. The last puzzle piece is missing for being sure. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

What's weird to me is that IMO neither one of the sketches look like each other yet they both look like the man in the video clip/image still. I think that's because despite the details that people claim to be able to see on BG's face the video still, the fact is that it's so pixelated and difficult to make out that it somehow morphs into whatever image is held up against it.

Didn't the ISP say that the first sketch released, OBG, was not a POI anymore and that NBG sketch was the face of the killer? That leads me to believe that the OBG sketch was of someone else seen on the trails, not the killer. That first sketch released was a composite from numerous witnesses. I think they found that person and the DNA didn't match. They had to reevaluate and went back to the beginning, the NBG sketch and also doing more involved DNA testing research. That all led to a familial hit somehow. They started to look into early alibis that initially were cleared.

They're very close but they don't want to risk killer walking because the DNA isn't as top-notch as they would have liked. They need more and that is going to take time since so long has gone by. I got a strong feeling from the April PC that the ISP feel duped and they will make make sure, really certain, they can convict before they arrest. AJMO

 

[scruffydog]

One thing that’s very odd to me about the new sketch.,, I don’t feel like wavy, reddish hair is very common here in the Midwest. (And I’ve lived here all my life). ...please excuse me if I’m wrong about the reddish part, but I believe I read that. It seems very recognizable... in fact, I only know 1 guy that I could describe that way. ( I do not know who the killer is, so please don’t take my comment to mean that).

 

[mtnlites]

Didn't the ISP say that the first sketch released, OBG, was not a POI anymore and that NBG sketch was the face of the killer? AJMO

Yes. I was simply commenting on the irony of it.

 

[Falling Down]

The cemetery is almost a straight shot to the crime scene area and like you said down a hill. However the whole area is hilly. The “down the hill” could have literally been said anywhere. When I was there, there was a well worn path with a “no trespassing” sign that lead into the woods and down to where the girls were found. So I’m guessing RL had issues with people trespassing prior. This was mid April 2017 and there were still LE spotlights set up at the edge of the back of the cemetery facing into the woods so this was a main area of focus by LE.
I’m 60 miles south of Delphi. GPS took me to the park in town. Made 3 or 4 wrong turns even after asking for directions. IMO if you don’t know exactly where this park is you aren’t going to stumble upon it.

I can't stress it enough, the access points to the bridge were not obvious to me when I drove by, with GPS and Google maps. Before the murders there were three main public access points to the trail(s), by the Freedom Bridge/CPS building, where A&L were dropped off, and across the highway from the CPS building there is a parking area.

I drove right by where the girls were dropped off, and honestly the M property/house on the left and the road in front of me, beyond that area of trees along the county road, had my attention. I was almost to the cemetery when it dawned on me I'd just driven past where I'd planned to stop for a bit, although it's smart not to stop along there, really.

It's such an unassuming, peaceful, and extremely quiet road and area around where the bridge is located. It's right off of IN 25, but getting there takes effort to figure out, then there's the matter of finding the bridge.

JMO

-FD

 

[Falling Down]

I’m in/from Chicago. I must have said “guys” to my kids 30 times a day (they’re older/moved out/college) and they say “guys” too. I say “guys” to groups of girls and guys” It comes so natural to me and I hear it all the time as well.

Could be that he was transplanted there from a little north too. That voice had no southern accent to me. MOO

Good post, and I agree with the assessment.

"Guys" is used all over the place, but I think it's more common along the northern tier of the U.S. vs. the Old South, in between is a mix, including Indiana. I hear both it and "y'all" around Fort Wayne. I've heard it from folks on both coasts, too. The mountain states. Etc.

I'm detecting what's called a "Northern Cities Vowel Shift", or "Inland North American English", type dialect just off of that one word he said. Also sounds like there is a lilt or distinctive pitch change, from low to high, when he says it. He's getting their attention, plus he might be nervous/anxious some as he puts the wheels in motion for his crimes. It's clipped, kinda short when he says it. Sounds to me like "guise?", or "guize?".

JMO

-FD

 

[Deleted member 102539]

One thing that’s very odd to me about the new sketch.,, I don’t feel like wavy, reddish hair is very common here in the Midwest. (And I’ve lived here all my life). ...please excuse me if I’m wrong about the reddish part, but I believe I read that. It seems very recognizable... in fact, I only know 1 guy that I could describe that way. ( I do not know who the killer is, so please don’t take my comment to mean that).

There is a big difference between reddish-brown hair and reddish hair in my eyes. Afaik, it was "reddish-brown" re the description of the perp, not striking like red/reddish hair. The color "chestnut" I would describe as reddish-brown for example or the color "coppery" in the more dark version. It could have been a coloration, which may have changed constantly for some nuances because of the desire for styling. His MHB-outfit was his "mission outfit", I think, nothing to do probably with his other outfit, perhaps rather stylish, in daily life. Difficult to imagine, if one thinks of the video still of BG, but. MOO

 

[Dayday7]

I don’t write on here often but I do follow along and I just had a few things that I can’t get to stop bothering me.
Why did the police say from the beginning that “the general public had nothing to worry about”? Especially if now they are saying the killer could be in the room. Seems to me like they think the person is someone local so why wouldn’t the public be worried. I would be for sure! Also, is it just me or in the audio does BG seem kind of calm for the situation? Like he’s just giving someone simple instructions. I would think given the circumstances he would be a little more stressed out. Another thing I was thinking is is it possible that one of the girls got knocked out and he had her while directing the other one where to go? He just seemed to sound so relaxed to me it is odd, but maybe it’s just me. Thanks for letting me rant

 

[Boxer]

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To me as well. He would fit in on any of the farms around here, including my own. He also looks like most of the rural Delphi area men I know. I think that's one of the main problems-his features are so nondescript that he's become a chameleon who could fit into just about any scenario. Some people look at him and see college boy, others look and see farmer, others look and see factory worker-and he could be any one of those.

MOO one thing stands out, a potato nose.

 

[gregjrichards]

I don’t write on here often but I do follow along and I just had a few things that I can’t get to stop bothering me.
Why did the police say from the beginning that “the general public had nothing to worry about”? Especially if now they are saying the killer could be in the room. Seems to me like they think the person is someone local so why wouldn’t the public be worried. I would be for sure! Also, is it just me or in the audio does BG seem kind of calm for the situation? Like he’s just giving someone simple instructions. I would think given the circumstances he would be a little more stressed out. Another thing I was thinking is is it possible that one of the girls got knocked out and he had her while directing the other one where to go? He just seemed to sound so relaxed to me it is odd, but maybe it’s just me. Thanks for letting me rant

It is to try and prevent fear and panic in the community. Can you imagine if law enforcement came out and said “It is highly likely he will kill again soon and you are all in danger.” I think the fact the monster has still not been caught will be making fearful still in Delphi at least. I wonder if young teens are still allowed out by themselves especially to the trail of if their parents are watching them like a hawk.

 

[mtnlites]

It is to try and prevent fear and panic in the community. Can you imagine if law enforcement came out and said “It is highly likely he will kill again soon and you are all in danger.” I think the fact the monster has still not been caught will be making fearful still in Delphi at least. I wonder if young teens are still allowed out by themselves especially to the trail of if their parents are watching them like a hawk.

I think that's a pretty standard comment to make. I've seen them make similar ones in other stranger murders. There is no curfew in Delphi, and while extra precautions are being taken, the people I know are pretty much going on as usual but on a much more sober note.

 

[TL4S]

Didn't the ISP say that the first sketch released, OBG, was not a POI anymore and that NBG sketch was the face of the killer? That leads me to believe that the OBG sketch was of someone else seen on the trails, not the killer. That first sketch released was a composite from numerous witnesses. I think they found that person and the DNA didn't match. They had to reevaluate and went back to the beginning, the NBG sketch and also doing more involved DNA testing research. That all led to a familial hit somehow. They started to look into early alibis that initially were cleared.

They're very close but they don't want to risk killer walking because the DNA isn't as top-notch as they would have liked. They need more and that is going to take time since so long has gone by. I got a strong feeling from the April PC that the ISP feel duped and they will make make sure, really certain, they can convict before they arrest. AJMO

But later Carter said BG will probably end up looking like a combination of the two sketches. Go figure...

 

[SilentRogue]

I think a special investigator should be handed this case.

You watch too much TV.

 

[TL4S]

You watch too much TV.

"That's what puts the "I" in FBI." - Fox Mulder
"Oh, just one more thing." - Colombo
"Just the facts, ma'am." - Jack Webb

I think this could be said for a lot of the ideas posted on these forums. We're all on here just trying to figure out why people do crazy s!*t.

 

[Boxer]

But later Carter said BG will probably end up looking like a combination of the two sketches. Go figure...

MOO strangely the sketches are very similar.

 

[k-mac]

Good post, and I agree with the assessment.

"Guys" is used all over the place, but I think it's more common along the northern tier of the U.S. vs. the Old South, in between is a mix, including Indiana. I hear both it and "y'all" around Fort Wayne. I've heard it from folks on both coasts, too. The mountain states. Etc.

I'm detecting what's called a "Northern Cities Vowel Shift", or "Inland North American English", type dialect just off of that one word he said. Also sounds like there is a lilt or distinctive pitch change, from low to high, when he says it. He's getting their attention, plus he might be nervous/anxious some as he puts the wheels in motion for his crimes. It's clipped, kinda short when he says it. Sounds to me like "guise?", or "guize?".

JMO

-FD

i love reading Americans talking shop about accents among the states.
coming from outside the USA I love it!
the strongest easiest distinguishable accents for 'foreigners" to pick up are massy (boston) Texan and New Yorkers.
for me I hear a boston twang to "guys".
but my opinion is irrelevant on the matter just wanted 'ya'll to know its interesting convo lol.