Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #117

[Deleted member 102539]

ONLY those closest to him would be able to discern his true self, that of a killer, but they will deny it, squash the idea, shelve it, try to stamp it out, until it grows in proportion that their only relief will be to turn him in to the authorities.

What a verrry difficult position for his friends (maybe even childhood friends) and family to be in. IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I wonder that, too. LE released 2 different sketches, 2 different people... But if LE thinks there were 2 perps, what would be the reason they would not tell the Delphi community?
MOO

They know now, who is one perp, but they don't know exactly, who is the other?
Something like this perhaps as a reason to not admit 2 perps??

 

[margarita25]

(O/T, this is the type of sadistic Serial Killer I think we are dealing with to show for an example / I’m currently working on this 29 year old cold case and BG comes to mind very often / this killer had rope in advance:

TX - TX - Cheryl Henry, 22, & Andy Atkinson, 21, Houston, 21 Aug 1990

TX - Cheryl Henry & Andy Atkinson, Houston, 21 Aug 1990, MEDIA/MAPS/TIMELINES *NO DISCUSSION *

FYI, Cheryl is @mocity ‘s stepsister.)

 

[margarita25]

They know now, who is one perp, but they don't know exactly, who is the other?
Something like this perhaps as a reason to not admit 2 perps??

My recent thought is that they have two potential witnesses on the sketch, and both vary, so they don’t want to disclude the first sketch, but lean towards the second witness’ account as being more accurate.

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ETA: New case out of Indiana I’m just seeing, appears she was tied to a pole?

IN - IN - Gary, BlkFem, 14-18, 'SUPERGIRL POWER' shirt, blue Champion pants, 32B bra, 16 Sept 2019

 

[stattlich1]

The regular folks living there who might know him might be very scared. If he killed Libby and Abby for being privy to the secret that would be hard to prove, think of what he could do with the person who knew about the killings.

The thing that concerns me with this theory, even though it is "my opinion, and theory", is this. If I were on this case, as LE, or FBI, or a RESIDENT of Delphi, I'd be looking straight at the very individuals who prompt me, in my mind, to say "NO WAY, it COULDN'T be him".

Are they doing this?

"We also believe this person is from Delphi"
"We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40"
"We believe you were hiding IN PLAIN SIGHT"

You are correct, the fear, the intimidation, the silent thoughts, the suspicion, the private conversations, the walking on eggshells, the horror of thinking, wondering, if "HE" could be the guy.....for the people of Delphi, is terrifying.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

They know now, who is one perp, but they don't know exactly, who is the other?
Something like this perhaps as a reason to not admit 2 perps??

Yes, ITA I think this is partially why LE’s statements have been confusing in the past. I think it also lends to the DNA. They said they had to sort it out, right? They also had said the first sketch is secondary? Why? You are right...it is secondary because they know who the man is in the first sketch, but they do not yet know who the man is in the second sketch...All just speculation, of course & MOO

 

[TL4S]

I should have phrased that differently. I meant it would be easy for LE to see which phones pinged from a tower in the area that day and determine who owned the phone. I personally would not even take a phone with me if I planned on attacking someone [if that was his intent when he left home that day].

Somewhere in the loads of LE interviews early on, one of our guys (Holeman, Leazenby, etc.) talked about LE looking at cell phone records and tower info. I don't have a link at this time. Anyone?

 

[busymcmoody]

Somewhere in the loads of LE interviews early on, one of our guys (Holeman, Leazenby, etc.) talked about LE looking at cell phone records and tower info. I don't have a link at this time. Anyone?

I remember hearing too that they looked at all cell phones via cell dump analysis but I can't find the source.

 

[Charlot123]

I find it very interesting, hearing of a white scarf again! But who in his right criminal mind would wear something like a white (!) scarf in combination with "daddy clothes", which otherwise are looking like the clothing of a middle-aged farmer/trucker or similar, all blue and unobtrusive (except the shoes!)? If I am "a murderer on my mission" in an area like the MHB area, then why would I dress with a white scarf: the scarf more visible widely than the rest of my person between all the bare trees? Anyway: who does own a white scarf at all? I even don't know one single female with a white scarf in her wardrobe.
That "the unknown thing", which is looking out of BG's jacket, seems to be white, is disturbingly enough to me the whole time.
So, I am very curious about the scarf and the color of it and what will turn out in the end.
ETA: Have not seen the video, you mentioned, yet!

White might be off-white.
I am more interested in the fact that it looks thin, and possibly is used to cover the face. Could be very thin cashmere, and if slightly off-white, and paired with a fancy coat, it would give one a “dandy” look. (Maybe he is a “dandy” man for whom a white thin scarf is commonplace, and “daddy” clothes are not?)

I also wonder, could it be a female scarf? Females have everything in their wardrobes, as long as it matches something.
His wife’s/girlfriend’s one? Or taken from a previous female body?

Or even part of some uniform (walk into any university store, they have tons of clothes with their logos, of all colors, if stamped with logos, they are usually expensive and sell well. Plus cups, plus beer mugs, plus daddy coats, scarves, whatnot, all with the logos. It is always a possibility if he graduated from a good school).

ETA: yet one more option: part of a uniform. Here, again, everything goes, plus there are daily and parade ones. I am not a specialist in them, but is there any uniform including white/off-white scarf? A true possibility, I remember some including even white gloves!

 

[busymcmoody]

Question (and a wild theory I don't even believe in) - has any of you considered that this could be some sort of snuff video job for the darknet?
The area around his mouth is so blurry but it looks like there could be a mouth mount with a camera. Although I have to admit it would be rather stupid to have the camera already mounted while walking on the bridge. That would make him stand out, but it could also be why he looked creepy to Libby and Abby.

 

[Righttable]

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster etc.

I have a question- does anyone else remember hearing or reading someone from LE saying that in the beginning they thought they had found their guy, but the FBI disagreed?

I can’t find the source for this, but I’d like to.

If this really was said, it makes me wonder what could be so definite that ISP would say “yes, this is our guy” does anyone remember this or have any thoughts?

 

[Justice101]

Yes I think the bridge guy went to cross the Monon High Bridge to the northwest, but only to get a look ahead to see if anyone was on their way down the trail. Once he determined they were alone, he turned around to head back southeast on the bridge and Liberty German captured him walking back towards them.

I base what I think statistically on that equation I wrote about above: timestamp of beginning of Liberty German's bridge guy video minus the timestamp of the Snapchat picture(2:07pm).

LE has this info I am sure. Unfortunately we can only guess about that equation. So either the killer is very patient or Liberty German and Abigail Williams encountered their killer somewhere in the area behind Liberty German on the Monon High Bridge sometime after 2:07 pm.

Yes, either that or that he was in the woods to the left or right on the NW side of the bridge when they passed. then he knew nobody was in front of the girls to the south, then he looked back over his should back to the drop off point. Still clear so he hustled his way across the bridge and this alarmed the girls.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster etc.

I have a question- does anyone else remember hearing or reading someone from LE saying that in the beginning they thought they had found their guy, but the FBI disagreed?

I can’t find the source for this, but I’d like to.

If this really was said, it makes me wonder what could be so definite that ISP would say “yes, this is our guy” does anyone remember this or have any thoughts?

I don't remember it. Would be interesting, if it was like that indeed.

 

[Charlot123]

Question (and a wild theory I don't even believe in) - has any of you considered that this could be some sort of snuff video job for the darknet?
The area around his mouth is so blurry but it looks like there could be a mouth mount with a camera. Although I have to admit it would be rather stupid to have the camera already mounted while walking on the bridge. That would make him stand out, but it could also be why he looked creepy to Libby and Abby.

Very possible. It is our reality.
We are raising a new generation, generation Z, that lacks visual imagination because everything is digitized. For some of them virtual reality becomes their reality, and they can choose whatever fills their imaginary world. Someone dreams of sex, there is VR sex, and for those who might dream of murder but never attempt IRL, there might be VR murders on dark web now.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Question (and a wild theory I don't even believe in) - has any of you considered that this could be some sort of snuff video job for the darknet?
The area around his mouth is so blurry but it looks like there could be a mouth mount with a camera. Although I have to admit it would be rather stupid to have the camera already mounted while walking on the bridge. That would make him stand out, but it could also be why he looked creepy to Libby and Abby.

I'm changing my opinion. Sometimes I'm thinking, there is something in/around his mouth, very blurry. Sometimes I'm thinking, there can't be an object in/around his mouth, because when he for seconds looks to his left and back (video), he opens his mouth (it seems to me). That wouldn't work, if he had something in his mouth.

 

[Charlot123]

Re white scarves. I googled white scarves and uniforms.
U.S. NAVY WINTER SCARVES (WHITE ACRYLIC)

here

scroll down to white scarf
Wear Of Uniform Components :: Midshipmen Uniform Regulations :: USNA

now, it can be something totally different, like some troopers, and I haven’t yet Googled all organizations (of Boy Scout type) to see what they might have. But white scarf is unusually common, to think of it

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Yes, either that or that he was in the woods to the left or right on the NW side of the bridge when they passed. then he knew nobody was in front of the girls to the south, then he looked back over his should back to the drop off point. Still clear so he hustled his way across the bridge and this alarmed the girls.

I agree. I think he was hiding in the woods (watching & waiting). I think it was easier for him to do that than to waste energy by hiding under the bridge & climb back up, you know? He was not going to make this any harder than it had to be IMO

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster etc.

I have a question- does anyone else remember hearing or reading someone from LE saying that in the beginning they thought they had found their guy, but the FBI disagreed?

I can’t find the source for this, but I’d like to.

If this really was said, it makes me wonder what could be so definite that ISP would say “yes, this is our guy” does anyone remember this or have any thoughts?

I don't remember it. Would be interesting, if it was like that indeed.

I don’t remember that, either. I just remember DC stating they were onto something very early on. MOO

 

[Falling Down]

Yes, either that or that he was in the woods to the left or right on the NW side of the bridge when they passed. then he knew nobody was in front of the girls to the south, then he looked back over his should back to the drop off point. Still clear so he hustled his way across the bridge and this alarmed the girls.

My theory about their interactions with him is it started on the trail shortly after they were dropped off.

From where they were dropped off to the bridge is just over quarter mile, plus there's a slight bend in the trail. I picture him hanging back and waiting to see if anyone else got on to the trail and/or parked at the tiny parking area which was there at the time.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster etc.

I have a question- does anyone else remember hearing or reading someone from LE saying that in the beginning they thought they had found their guy, but the FBI disagreed?

I can’t find the source for this, but I’d like to.

If this really was said, it makes me wonder what could be so definite that ISP would say “yes, this is our guy” does anyone remember this or have any thoughts?

I don’t remember anything like that but if true it certainly would open up another can of worms in this discount worm shop of a case.