Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #127

[minazoe]

we wish we knew him but we only have his image. Even though I feel like I can empath some of his energy and use my spidey sense that would naturally kick in on first impression,

not every killer does the same stuff and quite possibly not everything a killer has done or does is known because not every. child is caught torturing animals, abusing children, starting fires, stealing etc..especially if no real mental illness is present. So there may be no red flags. even though after the fact we might discover
what this person was up to as a child or younger person before committing murder.

but what do I get on first impression...?

hidden
false posture/false casual affect
moving faster than he appears to be
completely focused as appears to be ambling
it s ruse
he knows how to make his ascent upon his prey
he has practiced and is confident in his own abilities.

he might be a lonely guy at the bar. never with women. few if any friends but will
talk about his tech stuff, or a bad ex. he probably never gets out of control and comes and goes without much attention drawn to himself.

he is out there and we have to find him

mOO

 

[Falling Down]

side note..you might ask why they do it..they do it because they get exquisite pleasure from the pain they have caused.

Being able to be close to his victim in death adds to the fantasy and allows the killer to cherish and re-live his violent act and stay connected to the victim.

Think of how Jodi Arias became visibly excited by the conversation around photos of the victim and begged to see them. think of how she wrote letters to Travis's family.

it's a thing they do as Im sure you all are aware... mOO

My hunch is they get off sexually from such stuff.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I guess you are saying in all OTHER areas of his life, he controls it.

Of course, I meant that: when living his "normal" life, he needs to be in control (his environment would have noticed it for many years, IMO). Sometimes "control" is already important, when putting something at right angles to the desk top.

 

[MissUnderstood]

I feel like the girls witnessed something, like a drug deal and things went bad! Maybe they recognised him/them. Moo

 

[rosesfromangels]

I feel like the girls witnessed something, like a drug deal and things went bad! Maybe they recognised him/them. Moo

There have been various theories like this, and of course all possibilities should be evaluated, as I'm sure they are/have been.
I'm sticking to my theory that there was prior contact via some social media app (one that isn't traceable), this was a pre-arranged meet up, sexually motivated, and we know the rest.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Can be both: the girls witnessed something, perhaps wanted to investigate because of their curiosity and were contacted by the perp/s via an unknown app. Who knows ..... Hasn't to have happened the same day in February, but in the course of a few weeks. (Think of the phone reset again.) IMO
-.-.-
Btw, I wonder, if AW meanwhile recognized the man, who spoke to her in a parking spot in 2017.

 

[Diddian]

Can be both: the girls witnessed something, perhaps wanted to investigate because of their curiosity and were contacted by the perp/s via an unknown app. Who knows ..... Hasn't to have happened the same day in February, but in the course of a few weeks. (Think of the phone reset again.) IMO
-.-.-
Btw, I wonder, if AW meanwhile recognized the man, who spoke to her in a parking spot in 2017.

I'm curious whether it has been discussed or information released as to whether LG sometimes used the "Add Nearby" function on Snapchat. I am not familiar with the Snapchat app, but in researching a bit, I see that a Snapchat user can use "Add Nearby" to send photos to other Snapchat users in their vicinity. As I understand it, when "Add Nearby" is used, other users pop up and the person must accept them before they will receive photos; however, I think with young people who are using this, they may assume they are talking to other teens and not be very careful about leaving out strangers.

ETA: Minor changes for clarification. Also, I see that Snapchat removed this function in December 2017.

 

[Charlot123]

My hunch is they get off sexually from such stuff.

JMO

Yes they do. The motive for the killings might be different, but sorry, coming home and making off this ugly stuff puts them in line with people like GRK who enjoyed necrophilia.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm curious whether it has been discussed or information released as to whether LG sometimes used the "Add Nearby" function on Snapchat. I am not familiar with the Snapchat app, but in researching a bit, I see that a Snapchat user can use "Add Nearby" to send photos to other Snapchat users in their vicinity. As I understand it, when "Add Nearby" is used, other users pop up and the person must accept them before they will receive photos; however, I think with young people who are using this, they may assume they are talking to other teens and not be very careful about leaving out strangers.

ETA: Minor changes for clarification. Also, I see that Snapchat removed this function in December 2017.

I think musical.ly has something similar.

 

[JenniD]

I think musical.ly has something similar.

Iirc didn’t Libby experiment in doing lip sync videos? Maybe that was a connection. Seems as though musical.ly has been replaced with tiktok

 

[rosesfromangels]

Iirc didn’t Libby experiment in doing lip sync videos? Maybe that was a connection. Seems as though musical.ly has been replaced with tiktok

You are thinking along the same lines as I am. A social media connection of some sort with one of the hard to trace apps. This is a logical possibility to me, whether it was Libby or Abby or both posting.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[minazoe]

Yes they do. The motive for the killings might be different, but sorry, coming home and making off this ugly stuff puts them in line with people like GRK who enjoyed necrophilia.

Bundy did it too...he would comeback put make up on them, have sex with them ..SICK SICK SICK. Some of the things we wish we never knew of..honestly it's not natural.. this is sub-human. with serial killers the disease of the soul graduates and escalates and when interviewed the SK may even say that he has no explanation for why he felt compelled to do these things. Bundy was literally enraptured with the violence of his acts.

There have been several killers that disturbed me so that it took me quite awhile to read the books on their cases. Like I had to prepare myself. BTK was personally the most disturbing to me of any and I see BG as similar due to his preparation for his deed..My guess is our killer has a very low level of emotion. Does not feel guilt, remorse or empathy. ( by this I mean he literally cannot conceive of these feelings). This is the first deficit of character. Because of this I venture that he cannot feel normal emotions and the soul is corrupted though the effort to feel ..hence he has no doubt become submerged in *advertiser censored* and pornograpic experiences/ or phillias ( sic). and sexual violence.

There are children who from a very early age exhibit psychotic behavior. but like I said before, I think some of them are so sneaky that the people around them have no idea..they don't suspect the child of killing a pet or starting a fire in the basement.


BG is a walking perversion, an anomaly, a reject of nature, a freak. mOO

 

[somequestions]

At the beginning I did not think the Abigail Williams and Liberty German case would remain unsolved for this long.

The real lesson of Abby and Libby's case is that you can have national media exposure, numerous investigators(at the beginning anyway), and thousands of tips from the public, but if you do not have a good path to follow it all means nothing. Theories have to be substantiated, descriptions have to be succinct, and tips have to be informative enough in order to help solve a case. Or else everyone sees their own version of bridge guy, has their own theory, and sends in their own tip with information they think will solve the case. What is the right theory? What is the right tip to follow-up on? What is the right description of bridge guy? It seems like after all this time no one has been able to answer those questions.

 

[Peppery]

Yes they do. The motive for the killings might be different, but sorry, coming home and making off this ugly stuff puts them in line with people like GRK who enjoyed necrophilia.

I don’t want to google it, but can it be determined if intercourse was pre or post death? Especially if it was very close to TOD?

 

[news buff]

I don’t want to google it, but can it be determined if intercourse was pre or post death? Especially if it was very close to TOD?

Why would that be of interest to you?

 

[Charlot123]

I don’t want to google it, but can it be determined if intercourse was pre or post death? Especially if it was very close to TOD?

I don’t want to either, so I can only assume. Rape means, violation, there is evidence of it, and after death, circulation stops, so pm changes must look different. But I don’t know if anyone would be able to tell if violence was incurred very close to the time of death. Think of any other trauma (beating) - if immediately pm, it would be hard to tell, but if after a while, definitely, possible. But I am not a criminologist, so...

ETA: I would be surprised if intercourse left no DNA, though.

 

[Charlot123]

At the beginning I did not think the Abigail Williams and Liberty German case would remain unsolved for this long.

The real lesson of Abby and Libby's case is that you can have national media exposure, numerous investigators(at the beginning anyway), and thousands of tips from the public, but if you do not have a good path to follow it all means nothing. Theories have to be substantiated, descriptions have to be succinct, and tips have to be informative enough in order to help solve a case. Or else everyone sees their own version of bridge guy, has their own theory, and sends in their own tip with information they think will solve the case. What is the right theory? What is the right tip to follow-up on? What is the right description of bridge guy? It seems like after all this time no one has been able to answer those questions.

I just think the take home message is, no DNA or videos can substitute for a task group and good old detective work.

I agree that tips coming from the whole country might not be helpful, because we all like true crime and have unbridled fantasy, but unless we know something, or saw this guy walking down the street, it is all water. This is why I never submitted any tip; none of my ideas puts anyone on MHB. (And I hope most people think logically. For the same reason I never believed in leaf readings or cards or all that jazz. It is not logic.)

 

[Charlot123]

Bundy did it too...he would comeback put make up on them, have sex with them ..SICK SICK SICK. Some of the things we wish we never knew of..honestly it's not natural.. this is sub-human. with serial killers the disease of the soul graduates and escalates and when interviewed the SK may even say that he has no explanation for why he felt compelled to do these things. Bundy was literally enraptured with the violence of his acts.

There have been several killers that disturbed me so that it took me quite awhile to read the books on their cases. Like I had to prepare myself. BTK was personally the most disturbing to me of any and I see BG as similar due to his preparation for his deed..My guess is our killer has a very low level of emotion. Does not feel guilt, remorse or empathy. ( by this I mean he literally cannot conceive of these feelings). This is the first deficit of character. Because of this I venture that he cannot feel normal emotions and the soul is corrupted though the effort to feel ..hence he has no doubt become submerged in *advertiser censored* and pornograpic experiences/ or phillias ( sic). and sexual violence.

There are children who from a very early age exhibit psychotic behavior. but like I said before, I think some of them are so sneaky that the people around them have no idea..they don't suspect the child of killing a pet or starting a fire in the basement.


BG is a walking perversion, an anomaly, a reject of nature, a freak. mOO

OK but that all if he is a SK. What if the murders were an attempt to conceal something more mundane? Between serial killers who have to kill at least several before it is understood that there is one at work, and routine pedophiles/hebephiles preying on naive kids/teenagers, what can one say?

ETA: Bundy, they now write, suffered from diagnosed mental illness, only it took such an ugly form.

 

[Charlot123]

Iirc didn’t Libby experiment in doing lip sync videos? Maybe that was a connection. Seems as though musical.ly has been replaced with tiktok

But it was musical.ly in February of 2017. I read about it; it, too, allowed people to communicate closely, and it’s sister app - even send “coins” to someone’s favs. Also, I read in a crime book, that musical.ly had a feature allowing to trace users? It is not on Wikipedia, but if needed, I can find the book where I read about it,


Musical.ly - Wikipedia

 

[stattlich1]

But it was musical.ly in February of 2017. I read about it; it, too, allowed people to communicate closely, and it’s sister app - even send “coins” to someone’s favs. Also, I read in a crime book, that musical.ly had a feature allowing to trace users? It is not on Wikipedia, but if needed, I can find the book where I read about it,
Musical.ly - Wikipedia

Not sure if relevant, but I'm aware of other ways to communicate....

Communicate through Playstation,

How to send text or voice messages on PlayStation Network

Here's a scary title, 'Playing in the dark',

http://arizonajournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/10-Ruskin.pdf

I've weighed in here before, and will briefly do so again. I worked in public school with at-risk (FYI, they ALL are at-risk) middle school and high school students for 25 years. I interacted with Families, LE, Drug Task Force, Probation, Social Services, Counseling agencies, Therapists, Gang resource officers, Courts, Parents, Teachers, Elected Officials, you name it.

I guarantee two plays run parallel with one another in teenagers lives. The one they show you. And the one they don't.

Adults do Hamlet.
Kids do Othello.

Skilled Adults can penetrate Othello to some degree, but you better know what you're doing. Kids will take some brutal punishment before revealing truth, if indeed they ever do.

Not sure what A and L had going on, but my spidey sense tells me there was something. They knew something, or were involved in something. And their parents, and families had, and still have, no idea what it was.

If not, then it falls in the SK domain, IMO.

Always MOO here. Always.