Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #131

[minazoe]

Even if he has never before victimized a child, BG is now a pedophile, a kidnapper and a pedophilliac murderer.

The fact that he took control of the girls, removed them from the sight of others, removed or caused articles of clothing to be removed, and that he murdered 2 children, in what was 99.9 percent likely a sexually motivated crime.

He should know he is now a killer pedophile, one that kidnaps children .No matter his age, (unless he is a young teen).

he is a straight up baby killer now..

but I think he knows this because he kidnapped and murdered two other girls in Evansdale.

mOO

 

[carbuff]

I hope that the Delphi investigators are at least aware/monitoring this new case as on the surface there seems to be very interesting parallels to Delphi. This story has some pictures showing the trail/bridge area in question. Just wanted to pass it along as it caught my eye as someone who follows Abby & Libby’s case daily.

Missing 16-year-old girl found dead along St. Clair County trail

Okay, that's eerily close in circumstances. Ugh. Hoping it's not related...or maybe I'm hoping it is.

 

[JnRyan]

I hope that the Delphi investigators are at least aware/monitoring this new case as on the surface there seems to be very interesting parallels to Delphi. This story has some pictures showing the trail/bridge area in question. Just wanted to pass it along as it caught my eye as someone who follows Abby & Libby’s case daily.

Missing 16-year-old girl found dead along St. Clair County trail

At least 5 hours away by car. The distance makes it tough to imagine a connection. But the similarity makes it hard to ignore. I hope LE at least takes a look at it.

 

[janewall]

Okay, that's eerily close in circumstances. Ugh. Hoping it's not related...or maybe I'm hoping it is.

Another historic 60-f00t high rail bridge over water, on a trail. Ugh.Wadhams to Avoca Trail | Michigan Trails | TrailLink

https://cloudfront.traillink.com/photos/wadhams-to-avoca-trail_176661_sc.jpg

Since it's already happened and there's no way to save the victim now, I hope it is related. LE desperately need leads, and fresh eyes in MI may help.

I just hope that if this young woman's death is a crime, and if it's been committed by the person responsible for Abby and Libby's deaths, it does not indicate he's coming out of hibernation, so to speak. I hope he has another looooong apparent cooling-off period.

MOO

 

[janewall]

I hope that the Delphi investigators are at least aware/monitoring this new case as on the surface there seems to be very interesting parallels to Delphi. This story has some pictures showing the trail/bridge area in question. Just wanted to pass it along as it caught my eye as someone who follows Abby & Libby’s case daily.

Missing 16-year-old girl found dead along St. Clair County trail

From the article: "Michigan State Police Specialist Lt. Liz Rich confirmed the death was being treated as suspicious as of Sunday night, but said there was no suspected threat to the public and an autopsy is needed before further information can be released."

Where have we heard that before?

When LE indicates there is no threat to the public after a suspicious death with a body left outdoors/on public land, I wish they would clarify why they think the public is safe. It must be terrifying to live in the area and hear such a dismissive-sounding phrase with no explanation, especially for people who match the demographic and possibly the habits of the victim, or for those who have family or loved ones in the area who align with those traits.

If I knew a teenage girl in that area (or maybe just a teenager! or anyone who likes to take walks on a trail!), I certainly would want to know why LE thinks she is safe pursuing ordinary outdoor activities when the victim clearly was not.

 

[carbuff]

The most likely explanation is that they have reason to think she was targeted. But also possibly because s a killer like this almost never attacks another person in exactly the same spot as the previous victim.

 

[Sillybilly]

I know that GH is considered an approved source for this case, but this raises a lot of questions, IMO. How was this "trusted caller" vetted? We have no way to judge the accuracy of this information and I personally feel that it should be treated as a rumor.

Tricia has approved GH as a source because she generally trusts the information he presents. GH is usually a solid source but we obviously don't know how he vetted the caller; we can only trust his word that he did.

GH also has a reputation to care about. Had it been some random caller that GH was not familiar with, we would consider it rumor. While there is no 100% guarantee, GH has said he trusts the caller, so we can be reasonably sure he knows who it is and that the information is reliable.

As Websleuths can't determine the source or whether in fact the information is reliable, members can treat the information the same way they would treat information from a Verified Insider at Websleuths .. meaning members can decide whether or not to believe the information presented or how much weight to give the information.

 

[Sillybilly]

I know that GH is considered an approved source for this case, but this raises a lot of questions, IMO. How was this "trusted caller" vetted? We have no way to judge the accuracy of this information and I personally feel that it should be treated as a rumor.

Tricia has approved GH as a source because she generally trusts the information he presents. GH is usually a solid source but we obviously don't know how he vetted the caller; we can only trust his word that he did.

GH also has a reputation to care about. Had it been some random caller that GH was not familiar with, we would consider it rumor. While there is no 100% guarantee, GH has said he trusts the caller, so we can be reasonably sure he knows who it is and that the information is reliable.

As Websleuths can't determine the source or whether in fact the information is reliable, members can treat the information the same way they would treat information from a Verified Insider at Websleuths .. meaning members can decide whether or not to believe the information presented or how much weight to give the information.

 

[MistyWaters]

From the article: "Michigan State Police Specialist Lt. Liz Rich confirmed the death was being treated as suspicious as of Sunday night, but said there was no suspected threat to the public and an autopsy is needed before further information can be released."

Where have we heard that before?

When LE indicates there is no threat to the public after a suspicious death with a body left outdoors/on public land, I wish they would clarify why they think the public is safe. It must be terrifying to live in the area and hear such a dismissive-sounding phrase with no explanation, especially for people who match the demographic and possibly the habits of the victim, or for those who have family or loved ones in the area who align with those traits.

If I knew a teenage girl in that area (or maybe just a teenager! or anyone who likes to take walks on a trail!), I certainly would want to know why LE thinks she is safe pursuing ordinary outdoor activities when the victim clearly was not.

In following media reporting whenever there’s a known Threat to the public it seems to me LE always follows up with a specific action people should take - avoid a certain area, stay inside your house, etc. That’s when the culprit is known to be in a specific area and LE is actively diffusing or arresting. When they say there’s no threat, I take that to mean exactly what they say - no known threat so they’re not asking people to do anything other than go about their normal lives.

I’ve never heard LE warn the public following a possible homicide they ought to be on edge, scared or worried. Maybe we’re taking LE comments too literally, that it automatically hints at LE knowing who the killer is, even though in this example the manner of death hasn’t been confirmed?

 

[Yemelyan]

From the article: "Michigan State Police Specialist Lt. Liz Rich confirmed the death was being treated as suspicious as of Sunday night, but said there was no suspected threat to the public and an autopsy is needed before further information can be released."

Where have we heard that before?

When LE indicates there is no threat to the public after a suspicious death with a body left outdoors/on public land, I wish they would clarify why they think the public is safe. It must be terrifying to live in the area and hear such a dismissive-sounding phrase with no explanation, especially for people who match the demographic and possibly the habits of the victim, or for those who have family or loved ones in the area who align with those traits.

If I knew a teenage girl in that area (or maybe just a teenager! or anyone who likes to take walks on a trail!), I certainly would want to know why LE thinks she is safe pursuing ordinary outdoor activities when the victim clearly was not.

I think - in this particular case - LE might be signalling that this death does not involve foul play.

IMO only but I think it is being labeled "suspicious" only due to the public location where her body was discovered and the unexpected circumstances. Whenever a death is medically or legally unexplained, it may be LE protocol in this jurisdiction to call it that up until such a time as the full autopsy, likely including toxicology, is complete.

Reading between the lines, I would not be surprised to find out this young lady was an unfortunate victim of some kind of self harm. MOO only

 

[Wolverbear]

At least 5 hours away by car. The distance makes it tough to imagine a connection. But the similarity makes it hard to ignore. I hope LE at least takes a look at it.

I agree on the distance, it’s the one part that doesn’t fit as well as the circumstances. My only thought that could be a logical explanation was if he was local in the sense he lives along the Indiana/Michigan/Ohio border and is thus right between the two locations, so local more so in the broader sense of an area of the Midwest.

One can only hope that if they are by some chance connected, that they have more evidence now to arrest and convict the coward.

 

[DeDee]

What photo's?

Frmr Prosecuter Ives said we'd want to take four photos of the CS because it is unusual, as all CSs are. Ives seemed to insinuate the signatures are photo worthy. Hence, four photos.

 

[JnRyan]

I agree on the distance, it’s the one part that doesn’t fit as well as the circumstances. My only thought that could be a logical explanation was if he was local in the sense he lives along the Indiana/Michigan/Ohio border and is thus right between the two locations, so local more so in the broader sense of an area of the Midwest.

One can only hope that if they are by some chance connected, that they have more evidence now to arrest and convict the coward.

LE (Sheriff Leazenby) is stating they have DNA, but they don't know if it belongs to the killer. There is enough of a similarity I would hope LE gives it a shot if the MI killer left DNA. If there is a match, LE may learn more from a second crime.

While it is FIVE hours from Delphi, as you point out - what if this killer lives in the general region. He might live somewhere in between and it isn't a 5 hour drive. This killer could be like Israel Keys or Robert Brashers where he does not limit his crimes to a small geographic area. I don't believe it is likely, but LE looked at the Evansdale IA murders to check it out.

 

[chaz]

LE (Sheriff Leazenby) is stating they have DNA, but they don't know if it belongs to the killer. There is enough of a similarity I would hope LE gives it a shot if the MI killer left DNA. If there is a match, LE may learn more from a second crime.

While it is FIVE hours from Delphi, as you point out - what if this killer lives in the general region. He might live somewhere in between and it isn't a 5 hour drive. This killer could be like Israel Keys or Robert Brashers where he does not limit his crimes to a small geographic area. I don't believe it is likely, but LE looked at the Evansdale IA murders to check it out.

It'also possible the killer lives in an area for a short period of time and then moves to another place or even another state.
The two bridges are very similar and both are mentioned on the same website for bridgehunters.

 

[carbuff]

LE (Sheriff Leazenby) is stating they have DNA, but they don't know if it belongs to the killer. There is enough of a similarity I would hope LE gives it a shot if the MI killer left DNA. If there is a match, LE may learn more from a second crime.

While it is FIVE hours from Delphi, as you point out - what if this killer lives in the general region. He might live somewhere in between and it isn't a 5 hour drive. This killer could be like Israel Keys or Robert Brashers where he does not limit his crimes to a small geographic area. I don't believe it is likely, but LE looked at the Evansdale IA murders to check it out.

Delphi is about equidistant from Evansdale and the MI crime scene.

Which would only be significant if the three crimes turn out to be related.

 

[TL4S]

I get the sense from other articles, including the one below, that foul play is not suspected. I agree with @Yemelyan that this might have been tragically self-induced or accidental. JMO

Family remembers teen found dead on Avoca Trail Sunday

 

[Doghairrules]

I hope that the Delphi investigators are at least aware/monitoring this new case as on the surface there seems to be very interesting parallels to Delphi. This story has some pictures showing the trail/bridge area in question. Just wanted to pass it along as it caught my eye as someone who follows Abby & Libby’s case daily.

Missing 16-year-old girl found dead along St. Clair County trail

But once again LE is assuring people there is no threat to the public even though it appears they know very little about what happened to her. Sigh.

 

[minazoe]

Here's a rewrite of a question I asked earlier. I'll be more to the point and concise: Has there ever been a serial killer who was also known to be very funny, perhaps known as having a great sense of humor, maybe even a comedian or someone who could have been a comedian or funny entertainer?

I just have to answer this...I have had a couple of friends over the years that I thought could be a SK..( for a variety of weird reasons ). Both men are hysterically funny.. and one has done stand-up comedy.so yes I think it's possible. many funny people have a dark side, and put off weird vibes.

mOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I hope that the Delphi investigators are at least aware/monitoring this new case as on the surface there seems to be very interesting parallels to Delphi. This story has some pictures showing the trail/bridge area in question. Just wanted to pass it along as it caught my eye as someone who follows Abby & Libby’s case daily.

Missing 16-year-old girl found dead along St. Clair County trail

We need a new thread on WS asap, I think. Who will do it?

 

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